Samsung release 24" TN TFT.

[pinsnpies]

The TN disease is spreading people.
http://www.samsung.com/Products/TFTLCD/Monitor/LTM240CT01/LTM240CT01.htm

Samsung have released details of a new panel in their monitor application range. This LTM240CT01 panel offers a 24" matrix size, along with 1920 x 1200 resolution as you'd expect. However, this panel is the first that I have seen using TN Film technology. The panel offers a 5ms response time, 1000:1 contrast ratio, 400 cd/m2 brightness, 160/160 viewing angles, and 16.7 million colours. The details of the new panel are available on Samsung's site here. It's unclear at this stage which models might feature this new panel, but it marks a possible reduction in the cost of 24" displays, just as we have seen in the past with 20" and 22" models.

http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/news.htm#vx2435wm

 

[Scyles]

Well, most people don't know what "good" is, but everyone knows what "cheap" is. A 24" TN, though? Surely the color shifting will be an eyesore anywhere you sit, with a panel that big. I am a bit concerned that these low quality, cheap displays will hurt the market for newer, more expensive display technologies.

 

[Tamlin_WSGF]

Dell users should be worried... A 2407WFP could then be a 2407WFP, regardless of panel type, just like ChrisM @ Dell forums stated about the 2007WFP and the panel lottery...

 

[Bacillus]

Coming soon to a Dell near you!​

 

[Tamlin_WSGF]

 

[Snowdog]

160/160 viewing angles

Samsungs meaningless specs really make me laugh. TN that is is the same vertically and horizontally. That would be a new one on me.

Check the page above.
http://www.samsung.com/Products/TFTLCD/common/product_list.aspx?family_cd=LCD07

If it is TN it is listed at 80degrees off axis viewing angle, both vertically and horizontally, I have one of the listed TN panels and it is vastly different Horizontally and Vertically.

If it is PVA it is 90degrees off axis viewing. How do they not get called for false advertising on this. Regardless of technology, geometry will tell you can't see anything if you are 90 degrees off axis to a flat plane. Complete absurdity.

But it does seem we are all headed to TN everywhere. Most people can't spot, or don't care about quality differences so manufacturers are all going to migrate to the cheapest technology available. TN.

 

[Techx]

Most people can't spot, or don't care about quality differences so manufacturers are all going to migrate to the cheapest technology available. TN.

I didn't think about that, but that sucks.. so the high quality panels will be more rare and more expensive..

 

[travbomb]

But it does seem we are all headed to TN everywhere. Most people can't spot, or don't care about quality differences so manufacturers are all going to migrate to the cheapest technology available. TN.

This is all too true. This is happening as we speak with plans for certain IPS panels to be phased out.

 

[SuperKeijo]

I don't think a 24" 1920 x 1200 TN panel is such a bad thing. If they're priced accordingly I think they'll be a huge success. Don't tell me you wouldn't be interested in a 500 dollar 24" 1920 x 1200 screen.

 

[Snowdog]

I don't think a 24" 1920 x 1200 TN panel is such a bad thing. If they're priced accordingly I think they'll be a huge success. Don't tell me you wouldn't be interested in a 500 dollar 24" 1920 x 1200 screen.

More proof that soon we won't be able to buy anything but TN.

The bigger a monitor gets, the more viewing angle issues stand out. The vertical shift on a TN screen this big could get difficult to live with.

Here is a continuous tone background on my 17" TN. Note this is not a gradient, the background should be the same color/tone everywhere. TN goes dark toward the top and pale toward the bottom. The bigger the screen the more noticeable this will be.
http://i5.pbase.com/o5/04/606404/1/70038474.RUGnlXjd.TN_Shift.jpg

 

[SuperKeijo]

More proof that soon we won't be able to buy anything but TN.

The bigger a monitor gets, the more viewing angle issues stand out. The vertical shift on a TN screen this big could get difficult to live with.

Here is a continuous tone background on my 17" TN. Note this is not a gradient, the background should be the same color/tone everywhere. TN goes dark toward the top and pale toward the bottom. The bigger the screen the more noticeable this will be.
http://i5.pbase.com/o5/04/606404/1/70038474.RUGnlXjd.TN_Shift.jpg

The viewing angles is the biggest problem with TN. I did notice the same vertical color shifts on a 22" TN and it did really start to bug me. But I don't think TN 24":s will replace other panel types. There will always be people wanting to pay more for better quality.

 

[travbomb]

I don't think a 24" 1920 x 1200 TN panel is such a bad thing. If they're priced accordingly I think they'll be a huge success. Don't tell me you wouldn't be interested in a 500 dollar 24" 1920 x 1200 screen.

We arent arguing from a business / revenue stand point. Certainly cheap large screen panels will be a hit since the general population is cheap when it comes to these things. Problem is this will drive high quality panels out for good at some point.

Snowdog is very right too about as the panels get bigger the issues become worse. This is why there are no large TN panels in you LCD TV's and such.

 

[sylva]

are discounting improvements in panel technology. Unless TN peaked at this point (which I don't know to be the case), there will be room for major workovers as far as color shifting is concerned. My major concern, besides color shifting which is a real no-no with me, remains bad pixels which continue to plague industry as a whole and accepted by the general buying body as a whole. Like American cars in the past, the public says well what can you do, it's man made. Just think about buying a brand new car with some "minor" flaws such as a bent lifter or torn oilpump gasket. Why can't manufacturers stick to stringent QC? Or, better yet, why we the buyer don't absolutely refuse to put up with this situation at all?