Samsung 931C misinformation?

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rocky928

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The first review for the Samsung 931C gaming LCD has been posted on Newegg, and the reviewer claims the stand doesn't even tilt. I have been wanting this LCD for a while due to the improved color performance and good response rate (2ms) but no tilt would be a disaster.

All of the specs EVERYWHERE say the stand tilts, and one spec goes as far as to say -1 to 280 degrees tilt. Can anyone confirm this??
 
si0dine said:
Improved color performance?

Are you thinking of this http://www.newlaunches.com/archives/samsung_syncmaster_cx930b_the_most_colorful_lcd_monitor.php
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I'm talking about the strikingly similar 931C seen here http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16824001085 (also 97% color gamut) The CX930B must've been renamed the 931C, because they are identical and I can't find the CX930B in stores.

Even newegg's specs specifically state it has tilt, while the reviewer claims it does not.
 
rocky928 said:
I'm talking about the strikingly similar 19" one seen here http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16824001085 (also 97% color gamut) The CX930B must've been renamed the 931C, because they are identical and I can't find the CX930B in stores.


Even newegg's specs specifically state it has tilt, while the reviewer claims it does not.
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How can that monitor display 97% of the color gamut when its a 6-bit TN panel?

"Display Colors 16.2 Million"


Another new release from samsung:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16824001086
 
It's not 97% of all colors, but 97% of the NTSC standard color gamut which they use to compare with other monitors:

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rocky928 said:
It's not 97% of all colors, but 97% of the NTSC standard color gamut which they use to compare with other monitors:

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Yeah, but its basically saying it can display more shades of colors than previous monitors. But inherently 6-bit panels can't display as many shades as 8-bit panels, so wtf?

I'm wondering if this might be some type of marketing trickery like overdrive and reporting response times from gray to gray..
 
si0dine said:
Yeah, but its basically saying it can display more shades of colors than previous monitors. But inherently 6-bit panels can't display as many shades as 8-bit panels, so wtf?

I'm wondering if this might be some type of marketing trickery like overdrive and reporting response times from gray to gray..
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I want to get an LCD soon, and I decided I wouldn't get stuck on 1600x1200 since I never run that resolution and would likely enjoy 1280x1024 with maxed out settings better anyway, so I am open to any/all information anyone has on this panel. It does state that they will still use dithering, but I really think I just need to see it.

If anyone knows any retail chains carrying this monitor, that would probably answer my questions :)
 
rocky928 said:
I want to get an LCD soon, and I decided I wouldn't get stuck on 1600x1200 since I never run that resolution and would likely enjoy 1280x1024 with maxed out settings better anyway, so I am open to any/all information anyone has on this panel. It does state that they will still use dithering, but I really think I just need to see it.

If anyone knows any retail chains carrying this monitor, that would probably answer my questions :)
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If any retail chain is going to have it, it will be Fry's
 
I am now trying to decide between the faster 6-bit 931C and the Viewsonic VP930B that may have backlight problems. Same price. Argh.
 
I think if you are spending about 350 like the first 2 monitors, you can probably get a better display... I want to keep it under 300, and it seems like my options are either: Slight backlight bleeding and a few compression artifacts with the overdrive mode of the 8-bit VP930B panel, or a significantly less adjustable stand, poorer color quality through dithering, smaller viewing angle and less options with the 6-bit TN panel Samsung 931C.

Right now I think I am leaning towards the VP930B. I watch 0 movies on my computer, so backlight bleed on a black screen due to letterbox mode is a non-issue.. and the thought of seeing dithered colors when I occasionally do photoshop work scares me.
 
travbomb said:
If that is what they are specing that is some bull s*!$.
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Well, the 6-bit panels show 16.2 million colors, and the 8-bit panels show 16.7 million colors, right? So where's the bullshit in that?
 
GilmourD said:
Well, the 6-bit panels show 16.2 million colors, and the 8-bit panels show 16.7 million colors, right? So where's the bullshit in that?
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Their claim is that they can display more colors through their improved backlight technology, which means you will be seeing 256K colors dithered to 16.2 million with a better backlight when you could have 16.7 million colors with a standard backlight on an 8-bit panel. I think I will go with the 8-bit..
 
GilmourD said:
Well, the 6-bit panels show 16.2 million colors, and the 8-bit panels show 16.7 million colors, right? So where's the bullshit in that?
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In the sense that it is a very deceptive and shady marketing tactic.
 
travbomb said:
In the sense that it is a very deceptive and shady marketing tactic.
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I don't think so... that's saying conventional monitors display 13.694 million colors, then. They specifically say 97% of the NTSC gamut, not of 8-bit panels or 16.7 million colors.
 
What is CCFL 97%?
Quite simply, it means colour innovation - the world's first 19" monitor to display colours this close to the vivid reality of the natural world. Our technology uses an improved Cold Cathode Flourescent Lamp; upgrading colour reproduction at a groundbreaking 97% colour range. This marks an 18% improvement on the previous best colour reproduction.

CCFL 97%, better for you!
With a range of colours that you've never seen before the 931C blazes away from the cloudy, crowded world of LCD monitors. We've gone beyond the present colour spectrum of 82% and expanded colour to 97%; moving beyond the limits of what was previously possible.

Those 2 Paragraphs contridict themselves too. The first one says that 97% is 18% hihger than the best previous repdoction (=79%). Yet the second paragraph says the standard is 82%? Doesnt make much sense. Also I am pretty sure 72% is the standard for LCD.

All that Aside what i believe this does is it allows you to choose from 97% of the NTSC but since it is 6 bit you can allow display 256K. So essentially I think you may get better coloration if the screen only uses a few colors at a time but if it uses a lot of contrasting colors you will be in the same boat as any 6 bit panel.
 
travbomb do you any idea when NEC will release a 20-22" monitor that can display colors as accurately as the NEC 26"?
 
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