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Samsung 245T when?

Thats if the 245T actually keeps its estimated release date, unlike the 275T which has already missed its February release date.
 
Dont really understand why its taking them so long cause they originally showed it at Mar-06 Cebit which is almost one year!

Ah well they should have perfected the design by now - hopefully!
 
I contacted Samsung directly to ask when the 245T would be available. This is the reply I received:

"Hi Tom –
My colleague Kathryn Heath passed along your note regarding the availability of Samsung’s 245T LCD display.

While I don’t have a firm availability date, I do know that the model will be available in April. I will let you know as soon as I confirm exactly which date."

Best regards,
Talia Ron
MWW Group for Samsung Electronics America, Inc.
Information Technology Division
949-567-9319
tron@mww.com
 
champ_87 said:
I contacted Samsung directly to ask when the 245T would be available. This is the reply I received:

"Hi Tom –
My colleague Kathryn Heath passed along your note regarding the availability of Samsung’s 245T LCD display.

While I don’t have a firm availability date, I do know that the model will be available in April. I will let you know as soon as I confirm exactly which date."

Best regards,
Talia Ron
MWW Group for Samsung Electronics America, Inc.
Information Technology Division
949-567-9319
tron@mww.com
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Well, that is some good news. Your source wouldn't happen to have any info regarding the 275T, would they?
 
Better then Benq's BFI / AMA tech,or so they say.Looks better at any rate.And the 245T will have it.Its eithier this or the Nec 2470WNX for me.I already have a price on the Nec,and a rough est.on its availability in North America.Whoever gets theres out the door first in April gets my cash.Its burning a hole in my pocket currently.... :D

http://dailymotion.alice.it/video/x1gld4_cebit-le-mpa-entre-dans-le-samsung


ps: I have heard of a 245B coming out soonish as well,lower priced,possible TN panel. Its not on my list of posssible 24" ers,but,I thought I'd throw it out for those interested in a low end 24.
 
I really hope Sammy is taking longer to make sure that they don't have the 1:1 and scaling issues that are plaguing the Dell 2407WFP and Benq FP241W(Z) owners.
 
Better then Benq's BFI / AMA tech,or so they say.Looks better at any rate.And the 245T will have it.Its eithier this or the Nec 2470WNX for me.I already have a price on the Nec,and a rough est.on its availability in North America.Whoever gets theres out the door first in April gets my cash.Its burning a hole in my pocket currently....

http://dailymotion.alice.it/video/x1...ans-le-samsung


ps: I have heard of a 245B coming out soonish as well,lower priced,possible TN panel. Its not on my list of posssible 24" ers,but,I thought I'd throw it out for those interested in a low end 24.
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I believe the above clip says the Syncmaster 245T "arrivera en Juin" (will arrive in June).
 
rsatx said:
I believe the above clip says the Syncmaster 245T "arrivera en Juin" (will arrive in June).
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2008? :)

BTW. does anyone know anything about the "new" panel that is supposed to be used in this screen?
 
According to posts here and the database at http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/, it is not a new panel. It is the same panel (the Samsung S-PVA LTM240M2) that has been in the 244T, the Dell 2407, and several others. It is the rest of the components that are new. I would bet that they got the input lag down to an acceptable level too.

Regarding a June release date, maybe that is for France. Hopefully Champ's info is correct.

Use Google translate from French to English if you want to find out more about the content of that video. http://64.233.179.104/translate_c?h...rta-suite-devinette.html&prev=/language_tools
 
Badd said:
some more information here on the 245T: http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/news.htm#samsung_mpa

and the english video from Hardware.fr/Behardware too...:http://www.behardware.com/html/news/cat22/page1.html

looks like the 245T is supposed to feature LED backlighting and MPA as well, but the showcase model seems like it might have lacked this and just showed off overdrive on/off!
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What the heck .... this tftcentral page (while very interesting) is speculating like crazy. From everything I've read, the 2X5T series offers no such interpolation/BFI technology, nor is it LED backlit. The interpolation is only supposed to be on this summer's LN-T series TVs. Mainstream LED displays are due out with SDI Gen8 panels (10+ bit) which won't be in products until at least early 08, because there simply isn't that much benefit for the price over CC and WCG-CC. DLP tvs are using LEDs (at a serious reduction of brightness) only because it eliminates the problems of the color wheel. LED isn't really here yet.
 
Petehead said:
According to posts here and the database at http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/, it is not a new panel. It is the same panel (the Samsung S-PVA LTM240M2) that has been in the 244T, the Dell 2407, and several others. It is the rest of the components that are new. I would bet that they got the input lag down to an acceptable level too.

Regarding a June release date, maybe that is for France. Hopefully Champ's info is correct.

Use Google translate from French to English if you want to find out more about the content of that video. http://64.233.179.104/translate_c?h...rta-suite-devinette.html&prev=/language_tools
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I just waited until my Wife came home from work @ 4 am and asked her as she is french. She said something about tech like BFI and Benq but allot better implementation from Samsung.And it has much better colors then most 24" screens. :) The Samsung rep I spoke to last night, told me Mid April for retail availbility in North America,and summer for the EU.
 
venm11 said:
What the heck .... this tftcentral page (while very interesting) is speculating like crazy. From everything I've read, the 2X5T series offers no such interpolation/BFI technology, nor is it LED backlit. The interpolation is only supposed to be on this summer's LN-T series TVs. Mainstream LED displays are due out with SDI Gen8 panels (10+ bit) which won't be in products until at least early 08, because there simply isn't that much benefit for the price over CC and WCG-CC. DLP tvs are using LEDs (at a serious reduction of brightness) only because it eliminates the problems of the color wheel. LED isn't really here yet.
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Agreed. Usually tftcentral is dead on but in this case I think they're dead wrong.

Unless Samsung has made significant modifications to the 245T since their initial announcement, there is no way it will be LED backlit. Even if it was, it wouldn't debut even close to the announced $799 MSRP. It would probably be twice that (or more!) It would make much more sense for the 245T to use the wide gamut CCFL tubes like the 275T.

As for the MPA technology, I doubt that as well but I cannot be sure.
 
darklight_tr said:
Agreed. Usually tftcentral is dead on but in this case I think they're dead wrong.

Unless Samsung has made significant modifications to the 245T since their initial announcement, there is no way it will be LED backlit. Even if it was, it wouldn't debut even close to the announced $799 MSRP. It would probably be twice that (or more!) It would make much more sense for the 245T to use the wide gamut CCFL tubes like the 275T.

As for the MPA technology, I doubt that as well but I cannot be sure.
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The rep I spoke to through email said the 'MPA' is a feature of the 245T.
 
BeHardware have reported the same details from CEBIT 2007:

Samsung unveiled the first prototype of this monitor at CeBIT 2006. This year the technology and the monitor have progressed. CCFL tubes are now replaced by LED matrixes. The manufacturer, however, told us that the principle was identical: Samsung recreates the artificial screening of CRT to reduced visual afterglow and afterglow in games.
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http://www.behardware.com/html/news/cat22/page1.html

and if you watch the video they also mention LED backlighting and the fact that the idea of the MPA technology is that is scans a line down the backlight. They make reference to the fact that this is what they have seen on the BenQ FP241WZ. The guy even makes a hand movement to represent this scanning

If you read their French site (Hardware.fr) using translation tools (eg Google translated) there is a bit more info. Again, they talk about LED backlighting being used, but go on to say that the video shown looks like it only shows RTC being on/off rather than any new MPA technology.

Furthermore the screen has a sticker on it saying MPA in the top left which you can see from the BH video. My guess is that the 245T might come in two versions, maybe even three, but it's hard to say just yet. Maybe the originally reported version, set to retail at $799 (as reported in CES press article), then maybe one with LED backlighting + MPA, maybe even one which is half and half....very hard to tell at this stage. The CES article doesn't mention MPA, but it is listed in the spec at the bottom of the press release

What the heck .... this tftcentral page (while very interesting) is speculating like crazy. From everything I've read, the 2X5T series offers no such interpolation/BFI technology, nor is it LED backlit. The interpolation is only supposed to be on this summer's LN-T series TVs. Mainstream LED displays are due out with SDI Gen8 panels (10+ bit) which won't be in products until at least early 08, because there simply isn't that much benefit for the price over CC and WCG-CC. DLP tvs are using LEDs (at a serious reduction of brightness) only because it eliminates the problems of the color wheel. LED isn't really here yet.
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and the article on TFTC does mention that the 100Hz / interpolation technology is not what is being used, but MPA looks more like it will represent scanning backlight....again, this is what Samsung have told BH at CEBIT
 
There is one reason they could have stepped up some kind of "motion enhancement". Their PVA panels are slower than the competition and this might be hurting sales, despite better (imho) PQ.
 
Excuse me? The camera man showed angles well beyond 180°. There is no LCD panel that can produce clear, crisp images beyond 180°! Also, it's not often the average user need to look at a 24" panel from those extreme angles (to the point where you are looking underneath it). And, all the panels that I have seen act no different at those angles unless you get a CRT. :All LCD monitors have a limited viewing angle. rolleyes:
 
Eastcoasthandle said:
Excuse me? The camera man showed angles well beyond 180°. There is no LCD panel that can produce clear, crisp images beyond 180°! Also, it's not often the average user need to look at a 24" panel from those extreme angles (to the point where you are looking underneath it). And, all the panels that I have seen act no different at those angles unless you get a CRT. :All LCD monitors have a limited viewing angle. rolleyes:
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You are right. Ah well looks like I’ve been fooled cause the link below the Video "CeBIT : Samsung SyncMaster 245B" takes you to the same 245T Video! BE are being naughty.

But I still think the 245B is going to have crappy viewing angles. Ive read people complaining about viewing angles on the 22" Samsung so this 24" cant be much better judging by the 600 Euro price tag.
 
So samsung will have a lower-end TN 24" panel? I guess this is in addition to the 245T with the articulating stand and tv inputs? The original samsung 22" had a good stand and tv inputs, as i recall, but they did away with these.

That probably also means that the dell 2407 will be TN to cut costs.
 
From my understanding the 245T will use S-PVA panel is there any proof otherwise? Also what proof do you have that 245T will use a low end panel? All panels have their ups and downs none is perfect. So far when considering wide screen 24"+ LCD we have the following panels: MVA, PVA, S-PVA, AVA (so far in the television segment more so then monitor segment) and a-si TFT. There is no concrete information (other then fan boy opinion) that suggest that any of these panels are low end. One may have a feature another does not but all of them have their ups and downs. You have to choose one that suites your needs, bottom line. In the future it would be best to not post FUD.
 
Eastcoasthandle said:
The camera man showed angles well beyond 180°.
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180 degrees (or 90 degrees from center) is the maximum you can go. If the camera had shown an angle beyond 180 degrees, he would have been showing the back side of the monitor.

kumar101 said:
Ah well looks like I’ve been fooled cause the link below the Video "CeBIT : Samsung SyncMaster 245B" takes you to the same 245T Video!
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I don't know what you mean. Despite the link, the panel in the video clearly says 245B. It also looks worse than the other video of the 245T.


Eastcoasthandle said:
Also what proof do you have that 245T will use a low end panel?
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I don't think that was suggested (unless a post was edited). It was suggested that the 245B uses a TN and the 245T uses a S-PVA.


By the way, I can vouch for the vertical viewing angle issues on the Samsung 22" TN. I had a 226BW and returned it. I won't get into theories on that, though because this is the 245 thread. Anyway, I'm still looking forward to the 245T or the new NEC 24". Manny, do you think they both will be available in a few weeks?
 
I didn't read that in the preview (maybe I missed it). Besides, this is not a full review of the monitor. Until they actually get one in their hands for testing anything said should be taken with grain of salt until fully tested.
 
Petehead said:
By the way, I can vouch for the vertical viewing angle issues on the Samsung 22" TN. I had a 226BW and returned it. I won't get into theories on that, though because this is the 245 thread. Anyway, I'm still looking forward to the 245T or the new NEC 24". Manny, do you think they both will be available in a few weeks?
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I have two Nec 2470WNX-BLK on order from NCIX.I am just waiting for them to honor my price match,as I have submitted three price matches that are lower then the 969.00 Cdn MSRP.The Sammy 245T I do not think will be available until late April or mid May in the retail channel.I think Dell and Nec are buying up all the panels.

Travbomb told me in a PM that the 2470 was going out last Saturday,and would be in the channel by this week.When I went from 'cart', to order confirmation,the listing on the LCD's went from 'Backordered'...to 'Will ship in 2-5 business days" :D So.....All I can do is hope that Trav is right,as I bought two of them @ 899.91 each,plus a sammy dvd sata 20x burner,a MS kb,a mx400 mouse,2 skiffs of cdr's,and a set of Creative GIGAWORKS T20's for 106.00 $ ,2 two packs of maxxell canned air, and a 17 dollar firewire card.My order is over 2+k.
 
The horizontal point of view Samsung of the 245B is outstanding for a TN-panel.
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Manny Calavera said:
:) They seemed very impressed with it....
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Horizontal is good for a TN, however my point relates to vertical viewing angles. Read the paragraph above the main picture from the article:
"Vertically from downside then however nevertheless still the typical weaknesses of the TN-panel showed up."
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First Picture confirms this - looks b1oody awful mate!
 
It confirms its a TN panel,not much else.When a site like that starts using words like 'Outstanding' to describe a new TN 24" panel,they get my attention.

No offense,but I trust people that have gone to the trade show and saw it all first hand, and closely examined the screens,over random posts by people who have tried to judge it through what is obviously a translation,and grainy low res shots.The video shows me and
others I would think here,that TN's are getting better.

Still this screen is not for me,but as the Sceptre 22" thread shows,many will go to great lengths to try and save a dollar.Just my opinion.
 
Hello!
I came across articles this morning concerning the new Samsung LED-backlit 24" panels:
http://www.slashgear.com/24-inch-led-lcd-in-the-works-from-samsung-114735.php
lcd_2.jpg


Judging from the specifications, it seems rather similar to the specifications to the 245T though it isn't mentioned by model name. If this is indeed referring to the 245T, then I would imagine the product in question is not far away.

I have been waiting for this 24" for a year now and have been surprised to see it evolve from a "refreshed 244T with a blue button instead of green" into a totally new "LED backlit" panel with unique specifications, all in the last 3 months.

I sincerely hope Samsung has cleared up the input-lag fiasco of 244T and 214T. :eek:
 
I donno.... I don't think this will be in the 245T. The 245T is a complete product (at this point) which CCFL backlights (albeit wide gamut). This LED panel is only "in the works".

The LEDs are still only found in extreme high-end products at this point, and no products have yet implemented the real advantage of LEDs, which is local dimming (per-color, hopefully) and more even light - that requires a second set of drive electronics and video processing.
 
At under $600, that looks like that is the TN panel referred to as the 245B earlier in the thread. The fact that no etailers have the 245T on their site makes it seem like it won't be out for a while even though their press contact still says late April. Then they go announce the 24" LED backlit LCD that is supposed to go into production this quarter (though I bet it will be well over $1000). The 245T almost seems like a forgotten product. I, for one, and curious about the MPA feature on the 245T.
 
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