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s-vid vs. component on my cube

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lithium726

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will component give me a *noticable* increase in IQ over my current S-vid setup? right now, i have S-vid on my cube, n64, snes and dreamcast, with component on my PS2. movies and games look spetacular on the PS2 compared to the composite, and everything looks great over s-vid compared to compoiste, but im not sure if going from s-vid to component will warrant the price.

im using these on a NON progressive scan 20" panasonic flat-tube set. is it worth the $30 nintendo wants?

edit: yes, i do have the digital A/V out on my cube.
 
Ehhh is component a new technology that flew over my head? Cause I thought it was just the red/white/yellow RCA cables or S-Video... apparently I haven't been paying attention.
 
It sounds close enough to composite that I ignore it constantly. But yeah, I've seen it. Don't know why I didn't put 2 and 2 together Lol... my parents got a new HD but I don't really pay attention to it.
 
Composite / S-Video: Standard definition, can only play at 480i (interlaced)
Component: High Definition, can play at 480p, 720p, 1080i (progressive/interlaced)

If your TV isn't progressive scan compatible then you shouldn't even be able to plug in component cables into that thing. It's strange to me that you can...
 
PWMK2 said:
Composite / S-Video: Standard definition, can only play at 480i (interlaced)
Component: High Definition, can play at 480p, 720p, 1080i (progressive/interlaced)

If your TV isn't progressive scan compatible then you shouldn't even be able to plug in component cables into that thing. It's strange to me that you can...
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Non-HD televisions still have componet inputs because it does give a better picture quality on things like DVDs and stuff but thats about it. I wouldn't pay 30$ for Nintendo componet cables s-video is fine since you don't have a HD tv.
 
PWMK2 said:
If your TV isn't progressive scan compatible then you shouldn't even be able to plug in component cables into that thing. It's strange to me that you can...
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afaik, lots of lower-end flat tubes have them but dont do HD. i paid $200 for this thing.
 
i was searching for these and recently got some at a good deal.i went from composite to component with a progressive scan tv.(i know its not the same).but there is a 100% noticable difference in the PQ.
 
There IS a noticable difference, but how much depends on how picky you are. S-Video is still pretty clear, and the Cube would certainly look better than the PS2 on games that support progressive scan. Lik-Sang has component cables for the Cube, go check them out and see their price. :)
 
Mostly you should see a noticeble improvement in the color quality on a non-HD tube. The seperation of the signal into seperate cables is what provides the better picture, so you should see an improvement overall, but less so in total IQ

If you ever plan on getting an HD in the near future, you will benefit from having the cables then as well. Knowing when they plan to release the Revolution would really help me decide.
 
So while we're on the topic, do you think I'd get a good boost going from composite to S-Video? I'm playing on my computer BTW, ATI Radeon 9800 Pro, ATI TV Wonder, and using DScaler for the software. All on a 19" Viewsonic G90fb. For what it's worth, my XBox is running S-Video.

So Lithium, wanna sell them cables
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You actually have a Cube capable of connection Component cables? Congratulations! Not everyone does. There was a page on nintendo's website saying that later cube models only have one slot on the back, forgoing the "Digital AV" connector, since they determined that 99% of users didn't make use of it. Unfortunately, this means that you can't just waltz into the local gamestop and pick up a component cable. I'll have to check Lik-sang, like a previous poster mentioned.

As far as quality, on my PS2 anyway, I can tell the difference between component and s-video hookups. If you can find a cable for relatively cheap, I say its probably worth it.
 
The jump you'll receive from going composite --> s-video is big. The signal inside is seperated more heavily than composite, which isn't seperated at all, they just cram the whole signal through it. S-video has a 4 wire solution, and is totally preferable to composite.

For travel purposes I picked a 3 console composite/svideo connector from best buy for something around $14. It has Xbox, PS2 and GC connectors. It was fine for a long time until I picked up component for 2/3 consoles when I started using HDTV's.

My gaming TV for PS2 and and GC right now is a LCD, and I can't stand the signal the GC puts out on this TV through Svideo. Granted the LCD factor isn't helping, so I know it isn't just the cubes fault. That said, I'm playing FFX-2 right now, and even though it is a non 480/non-widescreen game, the picture quality is a ton better than the cubes, based on the component cables I'm using for PS2.

On CRT Tv's you, probably won't notice as much improvement from s-vid to component, but it will be an improvement.
 
Wow, a lot of people who posted in this thread have absolutely no idea what they are talking about....

"I have no ides what compnent is"
It's a connection that separates the luminance and chrominance channels in a connetion, as well as color

"sounds close enough to composite It sounds close enough to composite that I ignore it constantly"
????????No way, man. composite, component...totally different things.

"If your TV isn't progressive scan compatible then you shouldn't even be able to plug in component cables into that thing. It's strange to me that you can"
You don't need a progresssive scan device to have/use component inputs, lots of non-high definition TV's have component inputs. They're not only good for HD, the further separate the picture signal for improved quality, no matter what the type of TV.

And to the OP:
The change to component will BARELY be any different from s-video, when using it on a standard definition TV. I don't think yoou will notice a difference at all. I used s-video with my xbox 1, then switched to component, and there is almost no difference whatsoever. The only thing that might warrant your purchse is a anEDTV, or an HDTV.
 
lesman said:
The change to component will BARELY be any different from s-video, when using it on a standard definition TV.
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Depends on the TV, and somewhat on what you are looking for. On our 32" SD Sony vega, the PS2 looks a ton better in terms of color richness. Sharpness doesn't improve much, but overall the picture is cleaner.

It would be better to say YMMV really...
 
lesman said:
And to the OP:
The change to component will BARELY be any different from s-video, when using it on a standard definition TV. I don't think yoou will notice a difference at all. I used s-video with my xbox 1, then switched to component, and there is almost no difference whatsoever. The only thing that might warrant your purchse is a anEDTV, or an HDTV.
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QFMFT
 
Xaeos said:
You actually have a Cube capable of connection Component cables? Congratulations! Not everyone does. There was a page on nintendo's website saying that later cube models only have one slot on the back, forgoing the "Digital AV" connector, since they determined that 99% of users didn't make use of it. Unfortunately, this means that you can't just waltz into the local gamestop and pick up a component cable. I'll have to check Lik-sang, like a previous poster mentioned.

As far as quality, on my PS2 anyway, I can tell the difference between component and s-video hookups. If you can find a cable for relatively cheap, I say its probably worth it.
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yeah, i know. my sister's doesnt have it, but i was a rather early adoptor of the cube... just like all my other nintendo stuff :p

anyhow, i think the general sway of this thread is to stick wtih s-vid for now, which i think ill do... if for nothing else than simplicity. my TV only has one component in, and i already have a selector box for svid/composite, so this way i wont have to be changing crap out all the time. ill probably end up getting a set when i finally upgrade to HD, cuase im sure then it will make a HUGE difference.
 
Kahnvex said:
Depends on the TV, and somewhat on what you are looking for. On our 32" SD Sony vega, the PS2 looks a ton better in terms of color richness. Sharpness doesn't improve much, but overall the picture is cleaner.

It would be better to say YMMV really...
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I really don't think there'smuch of a difference. I've used s-video vs component on many TV''s, and the result is almost always the same...barely a difference. Maybe a very slight difference, like a difference that most people won't notice, really. Maybe I don't notice much of a difference on my current TV because it has the circuitry built to separate the signals internally. :confused:
 
lesman said:
Maybe I don't notice much of a difference on my current TV because it has the circuitry built to separate the signals internally. :confused:
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What exactly does that mean?

and whether or not everybody sees it, or thinks they see it, theres a difference, period. Shitty TV's can makes better connections less noticeable, and high end TV's can make low end connection look good.

Component > Svideo > Composite > RF

So, whatever from this point on. Not arguing semantics of perception here any longer. You can quote that for MFT :rolleyes:
 
Xaeos said:
You actually have a Cube capable of connection Component cables? Congratulations! Not everyone does. There was a page on nintendo's website saying that later cube models only have one slot on the back, forgoing the "Digital AV" connector, since they determined that 99% of users didn't make use of it. Unfortunately, this means that you can't just waltz into the local gamestop and pick up a component cable. I'll have to check Lik-sang, like a previous poster mentioned.

As far as quality, on my PS2 anyway, I can tell the difference between component and s-video hookups. If you can find a cable for relatively cheap, I say its probably worth it.
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If you got one of the newer cubes without the digital a/v port, you simply call Nintendo and they will send you one WITH the port. Usually they'll only do it if it's under warranty however.

I have a non-HD set and there was a difference in colour clarity between S-video and component, with component edging out a bit obviously. The difference isn't big, but it's there. As I said, it just depends on how picky you are, I guess.
 
I just have an analog 36" TV in the room my gamecube is in (no inputs left for it in the main room, plus the 360 and PS2 live there, and I have tons more games for those, well, the PS2 at least, but the 360 needs to as that is where the big HDTV is, and I didn't want to put it in my bedroom and have people bug me when they wanted to play it).

Anyway, I have it hooked up via composite, and it looks good (only input left on the TV (JVC D-Series from way back, probably the best non-flat screen analog CRT ever released). I will try S-Vid if I manage to free up an input or buy a splitter sometime, but alas, my gamecube doesn't support component out (but hell, it was $10, I won't complain).
 
lesman said:
Wow, a lot of people who posted in this thread have absolutely no idea what they are talking about....

"I have no ides what compnent is"
It's a connection that separates the luminance and chrominance channels in a connetion, as well as color

"sounds close enough to composite It sounds close enough to composite that I ignore it constantly"
????????No way, man. composite, component...totally different things.
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There is a big difference between saying, "I don't understand this, can you explain it to me," and "Oh you should do this, this, and this, because I'm a know-it-all."

Flaming someone for not knowing what a component connection is stooping pretty low IMO. Especially when I ADMITTED I didn't know what it was.
 
I just recently got component video for my gamecube. BIG difference.

Heck even on dvd s-vid ver component the color accurancy is freaking cool. Colors simply pop out more now. I was skeptical too, but dove on in anyway. Never looking back! :)
 
DudeItsMe said:
There is a big difference between saying, "I don't understand this, can you explain it to me," and "Oh you should do this, this, and this, because I'm a know-it-all."

Flaming someone for not knowing what a component connection is stooping pretty low IMO. Especially when I ADMITTED I didn't know what it was.
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Ahem...there was no flame involved. But I am sorry if I came off as an ass, I didn't mean to be.

It's just that when you see something like "If your TV isn't progressive scan compatible then you shouldn't even be able to plug in component cables into that thing", then you need to step in and say something. I guess it's pretty much agreed that the component VS s-video connection thing depends on individual perception, and quality of components. But, really, sorry if I came off as an asshole. :(
 
lesman said:
Ahem...there was no flame involved. But I am sorry if I came off as an ass, I didn't mean to be.

It's just that when you see something like "If your TV isn't progressive scan compatible then you shouldn't even be able to plug in component cables into that thing", then you need to step in and say something. I guess it's pretty much agreed that the component VS s-video connection thing depends on individual perception, and quality of components. But, really, sorry if I came off as an asshole. :(
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Appology accepted. I really did think you were trying to flame me, but it's cool now
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DudeItsMe said:
Appology accepted. I really did think you were trying to flame me, but it's cool now
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Nope, I had no flaming intentions! :D But, yeah, I looked at my first post and said to myself "ehhh...ok, man, you sound like a dick" :p

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Awww everybody hug!! lol j/k
Has the OP even seen these answers? :)
 
yes, componenet video will give you better image quality on a standard TV, it will give better color seperation and overal clarity. but, is it worth it for 30 bucks? that depends on you. take something that you already have both s-video and component for, and comare them back to back, then make a judgement on whether or not whatever improvement you get is good enough to spend $30 bucks on your cube. while I love my Component video cables, and having already had S-Video, Had i had to spend 30$ dollars instead of $10 dollars like I did on component, I wouldn't have. I would have used that thirty bucks on a game instead. contrary to popular belief, the difference between various cables at various price points is not large enough to affect image quality. I mean seroulsy, monster cable makes like $80 dollar cables that have a special pressurized, gas equalized atmosphere inside the cables or some shit, for $80 dollars! I bet you that the difference between those and a $15 dollar set is very very very very very slim.

in short, save you $30 and use it on a game. unless you can get into component for cheap, its not worth it on a standard TV, especially if it doesn't support 480p.
 
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