RX naming scheme revised.

[ChosenUno]

Some really weird technical specs in this structure if you ask me.

 

[N4CR]

Good find. Weere did you get it? Makes more sense now.

They'll make a RX48S with a clock bump or pci-e fix if needed...

RX490 = >256bit/4K which we saw the nomenclature on AMD site. I guess the 'S' models will be like GHz editions all over again.

 

[Daniel_Chang]

I saw this elsewhere. Basically, the cards will be:

4xx = 1st revision of card
4x5 = 2nd revision after leakage and power fix.
Example - Don't like the current RX 480? Wait about 6 months for the RX 485. Don't expect a miracle though. It's not going to compete with the RX 490.

> 256-bit memory interface, high-end gaming
Radeon RX 490 --> Radeon RX 495

256-bit memory interface, mid-range gaming
Radeon RX 480 --> Radeon RX 485 - $200-$300
Radeon RX 470 --> Radeon RX 475 - $150-$200

128-bit memory interface, mainstream/e-sports gaming
Radeon RX 460 --> Radeon RX 465 - $100-$150
Radeon RX 450 --> Radeon RX 455

128-bit memory interface, <1.5 TFLOPS performance and/or <100 GB/s memory bandwidth, very casual gaming
Radeon 460 --> Radeon 465
Radeon 450 --> Radeon 455

64-bit memory interface, non-gaming
Radeon 440 --> Radeon 445

 

[N4CR]

I also expected XX5 but it looks more like an S? WTF

 

[Daniel_Chang]

I also expected XX5 but it looks more like an S? WTF

You're right, it does?

So, 480 --? 480s

I'll edit the prior post

 

[Daniel_Chang]

Now, here's my commentary on such a product stack.

Nvidia keeps it simple. Top to bottom is:

Titan
x80ti
x80
x70
x60 <-- mid-range
x50
40
30
20

Nice and easy. But look at AMD.

x90
x80 <-- mid-range
x70
x60
x50
60
50
40

WAY too many cards at or below $200 relative to what's above. Too much of a cluster. Let's see how this plays out though.

 

[Chimpee]

Now, here's my commentary on such a product stack.

Nvidia keeps it simple. Top to bottom is:

Titan
x80ti
x80
x70
x60 <-- mid-range
x50
40
30
20

Nice and easy. But look at AMD.

x90
x80 <-- mid-range
x70
x60
x50
40

WAY too many cards at or below $200. Too much of a cluster. Let's see how this plays out though.

I feel like the whole product stack from AMD is just gonna get more confusing with the new scheme.

 

[N4CR]

RX48S looks weird as hell.. so yeah S after the 0 as you have done makes much more sense.

Good point about mid/low end, perhaps it's mostly aimed at OEMs? I can't see someone struggling with $10 between a 440 and a 450...

 

[MangoSeed]

I'm pretty sure that's a 5 not an S.

 

[Osjur]

It is 5, not S. So 2nd revision: RX 485, etc.

 

[Daniel_Chang]

Thanks. I'll edit my post...again

 

[NKD]

The 470 and 480 are not 1440p card in any way, not for AAA gaming. They can't even perform 60 FPS in 1080p at stock speeds in all already-released games (Witcher 3, Assassin's Creed Syndicate, Crysis 3) with settings maxed.

Look at the example games it gives: "DOTA 2, LOL, etc"... That's ridiculous. Why don't they also list Minesweeper and Solitaire while they're reaching for the most non-demanding games they can think of? That marketing is entirely disingenuous.

So, does this suggest that AMD's 490 will actually be barely a 1440p card, like the 480 is just barely a modern 1080p card, while the 470 is likely only going to be capable for med-high graphics at 1080p?


I think AMD entirely miscalculated this generation of graphics hardware, and thought we'd all go around the same performance-stagnant, cheap hardware-milking track for one more time. The last 5 years in GPU progression, apart from the 980 ti and 1070 / 1080 GPUs have been a complete joke, with all the revisions, micro-gains... it's like Nvidia and AMD just threw historically-typcial performance gains away and decided it's more profitable for them to not progress gaming graphics any further, and just lock things down with the most meager of generation-on-generation performance increases.

This is called thread crapping. No one here was talking about marketing bullshit until you came in and blew it up. People are just seeing that if there is second revision to these cards what it will be called. Usually with the new process we will see it probably, I bet its probably another 3-4 months before rx 485 comes out.

 

[Deleted member 233574]

It is 5, not S. So 2nd revision: RX 485, etc.

This is not Apple

 

[Deleted member 233574]

The 470 and 480 are not 1440p card in any way, not for AAA gaming. They can't even perform 60 FPS in 1080p at stock speeds in all already-released games (Witcher 3, Assassin's Creed Syndicate, Crysis 3) with settings maxed.

Look at the example games it gives: "DOTA 2, LOL, etc"... That's ridiculous. Why don't they also list Minesweeper and Solitaire while they're reaching for the most non-demanding games they can think of? That marketing is entirely disingenuous.

So, does this suggest that AMD's 490 will actually be barely a 1440p card, like the 480 is just barely a modern 1080p card, while the 470 is likely only going to be capable for med-high graphics at 1080p?

That's targeted at the mainstream e-sport gaming, not your typical AAA title. e-sport: DOTA2, Overwatch, Counter Strike, Starcraft II, etc...

 

[stashix]

This makes no sense.
So they have a RX 480 - a 230$ card that competes with Nvidia's midrange 1060. And then just the RX 490 to take on 1070 - 1080Ti and Titan, with nothing in between? But they'll have 6 or so other cards under the 230$ mark? What, they want to price them at 15$ increments?
Also calling the RX 480 a 1440p card is really optimistic.

 

[-PK-]

I think there are some cultural differences worldwide for e-sports. I don't think american e-sport players are impressed with budget cards that produce 60fps because they're the player base that would benefit the most from 144 fps and high refresh rate monitors. If they're targeting gamers that play moba's, then they really should call it the mainstream gaming segment.

 

[sirmonkey1985]

This makes no sense.
So they have a RX 480 - a 230$ card that competes with Nvidia's midrange 1060. And then just the RX 490 to take on 1070 - 1080Ti and Titan, with nothing in between? But they'll have 6 or so other cards under the 230$ mark? What, they want to price them at 15$ increments?
Also calling the RX 480 a 1440p card is really optimistic.

this is how AMD has been doing it with every series since the HD3k series. no one has ever complained about it. so why are people complaining now?

 

[Trimlock]

The 4K, 5k and 6k series were not like that. The 4770, 5770 and 6770 were mid range

 

[Daniel_Chang]

The 4K, 5k and 6k series were not like that. The 4770, 5770 and 6770 were mid range

Yup, and this continued with their replacement, the R9 270/270x.

When the Fury lineup was introduced, everything in the 300 series was moved down market. The 280/280x were replaced with the 390/390x in the product stack. The 270/270x were succeeded by the 380/380x. And the R9 270 became an R7 370, as the 370 was the successor to the 260 series. Heck, the 370 was actually SLOWER than the 270.

 

[sirmonkey1985]

The 4K, 5k and 6k series were not like that. The 4770, 5770 and 6770 were mid range

correct because there was no 4950/70 this also includes the 3k and 5k series with the x800 series being the high end and x700 series being the mid range, this changed with the 6k series. 6k series the 6850 was considered the mid range card with the 6870 being the performance mid range, high end was the 6950/70. 7k series, the 7900 was the high end with 7850 was the mid range 7870 was the performance mid range. the only difference now is that they've cut out the dual cards.. so what use to be the x870 and x850 is now the x80 and x70. so if you wanted to get technical based on all their previous releases the 470 should be the mid range card but lets face it that's not the case with this series, that is if vega ends up being the 490 or they just call it something else. we'll see though.