RIAA to Stop Piracy Mass Lawsuits

for some reason this reminded me of many a service call i have done recently... person gets a new laptop, calls me becuase they are having xyz problem... i go to their house, they cant connect to the internet they tell me... ok...

me: where is your modem?
them: my what?
me: your cable or dsl modem?"
them: oh, i dont have that...
me: ...ok... how do you get your internet then
them: oh i have that wireless ISP... umm... linksys!!
me: *facepalm*
 
Unless ISPs prove to have a backbone, this strategy may end up being far worse for the majority of internet users.

The RIAA is asking ISPs to police their connections. I wonder what kind of backhand money-grabbing is going on behind those scenes.
 
Dreaz said:
Unless ISPs prove to have a backbone, this strategy may end up being far worse for the majority of internet users.

The RIAA is asking ISPs to police their connections. I wonder what kind of backhand money-grabbing is going on behind those scenes.
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prolly the ISP get some sort of percentage.
 
Terry Olaes said:
WSJ reports that RIAA is ceasing their mass lawsuits against users and look for more effective ways to combat online music piracy. Instead of going after the individual, RIAA is working to build agreements with ISPs and encourage the ISP to do the policing.
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It sounds liek this is more about ISPs getting rid of customers that use huge amounts of bandwidth. The ISPs will go with this, because they're not getting involved in law enforcement.

E.E.L. Ambiense said:
What I want to know is, how will they know that the individual is sharing illegal files? All they're going to know is larger-than-usual amounts of bandwidth are being used. I mean, torrenting is used for legal sharing as well, right? I.E. Linux installers?
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I kinda doubt that most linux torrents are going to draw the attention of the MPAA. How much bandwidth you use, in a month, torrenting Linux

I really think that it's going to come down to bandwidth. If the RIAA says you're pirating, and Comcast sees that you use 25gb -50gb of data/month, I don't think they're going to dump you.
 
Imaulle said:
is it even possible for ISPs to do anything ??

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Actually yes, my ISP here has been throttling P2P bandwidth for more than a couple of years now.

Of course, I don't know if they can actually read the content of the P2P and determine what files is being transfered, but if an ISP is willing to indiscriminately throttle all P2P bandwidth, they can defeat that easily.
 
I'm so tired of hearing about the RIAA and the BS they just expect they can do and get away with. Clearly it's time for us to develop our own ISP, fellas. Who's onboard?
 
I am surprised no one has mentioned IP spoofing. An IP address is just numbers. Numbers are not people. The reason the RIAA has such a hard time following through on claims (and winning cases without being countersued) is because it is simply near impossible to positively match someone to a download. Also, what about military grade proxy services? You can go through 35 servers, sure your speed will be shit, but honestly, how would they track you? Most proxy servers keep log files for a few days (if that). Just some thoughts.
 
Although a few have stepped OUT of the boundary that they went to congress about, they do not WANT to monitor traffic, they have successfully claimed that they should have no control over the content that gets "broadcast" since (ignoring pop-ups--country bans-THANK YOU BBC) the USER has complete control over what they can select.

They same argument failed with cable, since THEY decide what channels you can get (an ALL feed they would win, but 20ch, nope)
 
Raptor_007 said:
I'm so tired of hearing about the RIAA and the BS they just expect they can do and get away with. Clearly it's time for us to develop our own ISP, fellas. Who's onboard?
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Hey I'm up for it, I mean hell telcoms get all sorts of handouts and favorable waivers to lay down the infrastructure, sounds to me like the people own it! Forget the idea of ISPs, simply have everyone run fiber from the streets to their homes and then let the information tubes flow freely :D
 
Indignity said:
The problem is that the ISP can put any disclaimer they want on the user agreement.
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No they can't. You think if Comcast put in a disclaimer allowing them to block BT it would ever hold? Of course not. Dsclaimers don't overrule the law.
 
TheCAD said:
Did anyone actually read the article?

The RIAA is going to make the ISP "police" anything. They are sending the ISP an IP address and telling the ISP to contact the person associated with it.

lol...this actually protects your privacy. No one is doing any snooping, your IP is being given out freely and no one is obtaining your identity that didn't already have it.

Thinking the RIAA is going to ask ISPs to monitor traffic is just ridiculously stupid. The entire reason for the change is to improve their image. Do you think blatantly violating people's privacy will help?
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Don't bother. They're not going to bother reading the article. They're having too much fun playing Chicken Little. Canadian ISPs (especially Rogers) have been doing this for years, specifically because copyright for personal use of information is essentially non-existant. I've signed several such letter "Thanks for the free music. I enjoyed downloading and listening to ****** It's a shame this note is a sham and it was already ruled by Federal courts that copyright laws don't apply to personal use." and mailed them back to the original sender.

I also make a point of leaving torrents seeding every second possible with a huge number of connections just to show my appreciation to the nice folks at Rogers. :)
 
I'm curious though, what makes up a bigger hunk of internet traffic though, pirates... or porn?
 
It sounds to me like the RIAA wants to start working with ISPs to identify and deal with pirates rather than abusing the legal system to get massive unfair settlements.

If so, then I'm all for that.
 
HOCP4ME said:
It sounds to me like the RIAA wants to start working with ISPs to identify and deal with pirates rather than abusing the legal system to get massive unfair settlements.

If so, then I'm all for that.
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How does that benefit the ISP? What, you say that customer xx.xx.xx.xx pirated things....hmmm....well he's been a good customer that pays me $700/year, but screw him and every other person on that IP, they've got to go.

Unless there's a financial incentive, they won't do it. And I don't see them monitoring the content going to the IP, because once they do that, the content providers will insist that they monitor everyone and sue the ISP for damages if they don't cut off anyone that downloads a song.

It's a slippery slope with no upside for the ISPs. They'll just cut off customers that use too much bandwidth and/or have usage caps, possibly with overage charges.
 
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