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zero2dash said:
Heh heh
:D
yennie I think WE here is challenging us for case swapping :D all in good fun though ;)
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LOL - you guys can duke it out for the title. I've been in the RV02 for a few months now and will likely stick with it.

I'm sure I'll get the FT02 at some point just out of curiosity but it'll be either the RV02 or FT02 then I'm done for at least a year.
 
zero2dash said:
Heh heh
:D
yennie I think WE here is challenging us for case swapping :D all in good fun though ;)
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HA. Now I bought a Lian Li P50R. This case is unique so I'm going to keep it for a while.
The case is my favorite part of the build, so I may find myself swapping a lot.
I still have the FT02 on hold at Amazon. Just send me a PM. I'm going to cancel the order soon.

Edit: FT02 order cancelled. It's now up for grabs on Amazon.
 
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Got mine today, black windowed. Loving it so far but what the hell is with the case having barely any room for the cables to go behind the board? You'd think for a case that was designed for the cables to go behind the mb tray that there would be at least an inch or so of clearence.

Instead any connections ive had to tape down as flat as possible to avoid the side panel being bowed.

Its pretty hard to see exactly how silverstone "missed" this as its not exactly their first try at this kind of setup, the raven 1 and 2 are similar enough in terms of routing, were notes not taken and lessons learned? Even if the panel was bevelled out slightly it probably would have given enough clearence without having to tape things down. If this was their first try then fair enough but this is case number 3 utilising this kind of setup, and even then this kind of thing should get caught in the design stages ideally.

For slightly over £200 i expect an all singing all dancing case and not have to break out the parcel tape. For some reason i forsee a revision of this case coming within the next few months with a bit more width and possible abit taller to accomadate the 5970 properly.
 
yenniedn said:
LOL - you guys can duke it out for the title. I've been in the RV02 for a few months now and will likely stick with it.
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Planned "same here" with the K7B I just got. I wanted something new for my i7 and thought about going back to my empty/lonely V1000 but a) I'd have to remove 1 of the HD cages to fit my HX850 and b) my GTX's would be gasping for air with nothing going up there other than heated CPU air. I wanted something cheap yet classy...of course the only cheap LL's left are the A05 (had 2 already, don't want a 3rd) and the old ones (PC-7B, PC-65). In comes the Lancool stuff....wanted something quiet too so that eliminated the K62 (arguably the nicest of the similar 3...K50, K56, K62). K7B to the rescue! After taking it out of the box last night to grab the motherboard tray out, man I was very impressed at how nice it was. The steel is actually very light too...much lighter than any other steel Antec or CM I've had.

Here's to hoping I keep the K7B for a year; if that happens, it'll be a feat. :eek: :D

WorldExclusive said:
HA. Now I bought a Lian Li P50R. This case is unique so I'm going to keep it for a while.
The case is my favorite part of the build, so I may find myself swapping a lot.
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Don't feel bad at all...I'm the same way. You see the case most, you want a change....the case is (arguably) the easiest thing visually to change. My wife gives me crap all the time about cases coming in and out of the house so rapidly. ;) Of course the teardown/install/cable management phase of going case to case is what REALLY sucks the worst. :eek: P50 is a nice case...nice catch. (guessing you grabbed gar818's in the FS forums)
 
I was hoping the FT02 would just be a milder visual version of the RV02 but it turned out to be the needlessly more expensive(IMO) RV02. $100 extra was just not justifiable for a case with a few features I have no interest in. I bought the RV02 so Silverstone still got my money.
 
zero2dash said:
Don't feel bad at all...I'm the same way. You see the case most, you want a change....the case is (arguably) the easiest thing visually to change. My wife gives me crap all the time about cases coming in and out of the house so rapidly. ;) Of course the teardown/install/cable management phase of going case to case is what REALLY sucks the worst. :eek: P50 is a nice case...nice catch. (guessing you grabbed gar818's in the FS forums)
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Yeah I bought his case. If I didn't have the Cosmos S at the time I would have bought it the first day I saw it. This will be my first Lian Li. I was and probably still considering another Lian Li case also. If I like this one I will keep it, if I don't I'll try to sell it locally and get the other case. Cases seem not to sell well on [H].
I couldn't justify paying an extra $80 over the Lian Li for the FT02.
 
WaXmAn said:
In stock at Newegg for:

Original Price: $249.99
You Save: $20.00
$229.99
$30.04 Std. Shipping*

just bought one :)
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Thanks for pointing this out as I hadn't looked in a few days. Between the Newegg deal and Amazon (whenever it's in stock), the pricing is somewhat more reasonable vs the competition from Lian Li etc. Although Silverstone cases don't drop in price over time to quite the degree that Antec/Cooler Master do, I'll wager latecomers will be buying FT02s for ~$200, or maybe even less, when summertime rolls around.

That Newegg deal is almost tempting enough for me to buy right now, but at this point I'd rather be patient and wait to see what comes outta CES since it's only a week away.

WaXmAn said:
A ATI 5970 does fit if you remove the grille on the bottom center fan!

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Tony Ou mentioned this several pages earlier in the thread, including the fan grille removal being required, but it's nice to see visual confirmation. Also, that pic makes me wonder aloud, anyone seen the silver version in person? And what did you think of the interior's looks if so? I really like the silver exterior, but in pics, the silver interior doesn't look that great vs the black models. I'd like to be shown how wrong am am if anyone has some spiffy case porn? Preferably w/ installed mobo/vid/etc?

yenniedn said:
I'm sure I'll get the FT02 at some point just out of curiosity but it'll be either the RV02 or FT02 then I'm done for at least a year.
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Oh? You think CES/Cebit/Tokyo/etc won't tempt you sometime in 2010 w/ some sweet new chassis? ;) I think you guys are freaks with your rabid case buying, and I mean that in the most complimentary fashion. :D
 
Sojuuk said:
I was hoping the FT02 would just be a milder visual version of the RV02 but it turned out to be the needlessly more expensive(IMO) RV02. $100 extra was just not justifiable for a case with a few features I have no interest in. I bought the RV02 so Silverstone still got my money.
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The RV02 has two critical flaws, and arguably 3:

1- the "stealth bomber" looks tend to either attract people or make them puke. A more conservative visual aesthetic would probably sell more units although it's hard to fault Silverstone for this one. Yin and Yang.

2- holds only 3 hdds. The SSD mount is great, but doesn't offset the lack of hdd bays for many customers. This case forces people who use multiple raid arrays (or even a single raid 5/10 array) to buy an SSD or be hampered when doing heavy disk I/O. A lot of people won't touch this case for that reason alone whereas 4+ hdd bays and an SSD would minimize this flaw. 5-6 bays solve the issue completely.

3- case depth. Mid tower height/width but full tower depth. Many people don't want a humongous case that takes up floor space or won't fit in their desk cubbies etc. And people buying cases that are basically full-towers in terms of size often want more than 3 hdds bays.

It's impossible to know unless Silverstone actually makes it, but I'd wager that if they simply gave the RV02 the hdd cage from the FT02 (while keeping the RV02's $150-190ish pricing), Silverstone would sell a helluva lot more product. It's baffling that they don't make this simple fix/alteration to the RV02. :confused: This kinda stuff is why Antec/Cooler Master/Lian Li make so many case variations; to accommodate a variety of customers.

Oh yeah, and Happy freakin' New Years people. It's fucking 7am and everyone in our hotel room is passed out, but I still can't sleep. :p
 
coconutboy said:
2- holds only 3 hdds. The SSD mount is great, but doesn't offset the lack of hdd bays for many customers. This case forces people who use multiple raid arrays (or even a single raid 5/10 array) to buy an SSD or be hampered when doing heavy disk I/O. A lot of people won't touch this case for that reason alone whereas 4+ hdd bays and an SSD would minimize this flaw. 5-6 bays solve the issue completely.

It's impossible to know unless Silverstone actually makes it, but I'd wager that if they simply gave the RV02 the hdd cage from the FT02 (while keeping the RV02's $150-190ish pricing), Silverstone would sell a helluva lot more product. It's baffling that they don't make this simple fix/alteration to the RV02. :confused: This kinda stuff is why Antec/Cooler Master/Lian Li make so many case variations; to accommodate a variety of customers.
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The RV02 was made to hold 3 HDDs because they wanted the 8th expansion slot to install four dual slot GPUs. The FT02 HDD cage doesn't allow four dual slot GPUs to be installed or a GPU that hangs of the motherboard to be installed. This is the main feature difference between the cases.
 
Well, that and an extra $50-100 depending on when where you buy. That unibody Al frame ain't cheap.
 
Just got the FT02 and it's amazing. There really is only one thing that I found wrong with it. If you still own an IDE and a standard ATX MB, it won't fit. The power for the CD drive is blocked by the MB. Not really too bad of a con it's just I have to buy a SATA one now. Was hoping to keep this driver till it died lol.
 
coconutboy said:
The RV02 has two critical flaws, and arguably 3:

1- the "stealth bomber" looks tend to either attract people or make them puke. A more conservative visual aesthetic would probably sell more units although it's hard to fault Silverstone for this one. Yin and Yang.

2- holds only 3 hdds. The SSD mount is great, but doesn't offset the lack of hdd bays for many customers. This case forces people who use multiple raid arrays (or even a single raid 5/10 array) to buy an SSD or be hampered when doing heavy disk I/O. A lot of people won't touch this case for that reason alone whereas 4+ hdd bays and an SSD would minimize this flaw. 5-6 bays solve the issue completely.

3- case depth. Mid tower height/width but full tower depth. Many people don't want a humongous case that takes up floor space or won't fit in their desk cubbies etc. And people buying cases that are basically full-towers in terms of size often want more than 3 hdds bays.

It's impossible to know unless Silverstone actually makes it, but I'd wager that if they simply gave the RV02 the hdd cage from the FT02 (while keeping the RV02's $150-190ish pricing), Silverstone would sell a helluva lot more product. It's baffling that they don't make this simple fix/alteration to the RV02. :confused: This kinda stuff is why Antec/Cooler Master/Lian Li make so many case variations; to accommodate a variety of customers.

Oh yeah, and Happy freakin' New Years people. It's fucking 7am and everyone in our hotel room is passed out, but I still can't sleep. :p
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I did say IMO. You and I clearly have very different priorities and uses for our computers so of course the choice in case we make will be different. In regards to your points made:
1) I agree but I am not paying $100 for what amounts to a visual change as the other features are useless to me.
2) I use 2 HDDs maybe a 3rd when my 1.5tb storage fills up.
3) The case goes on my desk not in some hole that in my experience only adds to case heat and component wear.

Like I said the features of the FT02 were not things I needed. What I wanted was a case that had the rotated MB tray fans on the bottom and vents at the top, everything else I can work around.
 
Aye, IMO the main selling point of the FT02/RV02 is the rotated mobo, not all the other great details included in the design. I personally love the air filters, cable routing etc, but no doubt the cooling design is the main case feature.

otogrim said:
Just got the FT02 and it's amazing. There really is only one thing that I found wrong with it. If you still own an IDE and a standard ATX MB, it won't fit. The power for the CD drive is blocked by the MB. Not really too bad of a con it's just I have to buy a SATA one now. Was hoping to keep this driver till it died lol.
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Thanks for that detail. For my gamer box, I still use an IDE dvd burner I bought back in 2003 or so. didn't realize I'd have to spend an extra $30-40 to upgrade or else maybe swap w/ one from one of our other work/primary systems.

pssst. PICS! Show off those installed systems people. I'd love to see a silver FT02 w/ window.
 
CES is almost here!

Now that my PC is built, the case is less importiant to me, but I still want an upgrade later this summer. I'm busy watching Avatar over and over to care too much bout cases right this second. The Sniper Black Ed. is good, though I should have just got the HAF 922 on sale and saved even more cash for a Blu Ray Drive.
 
i got my FT02 on saturday, i did the build last night. It turned out great :D!

And to the above poster that said a regular ATX mobo wont fit, it sure will. I got my evga 680 board to fit perfectly. The only problem i had was getting the IDE data cables (for my dvd drives) to the board connector. I did get it to connect however.

Does anyone know of an IDE to SATA data cable?

Or better yet, cheap DVD burners?
 
What is the deal with all of these people having IDE dvd drives.. this is [H] forums.. get with the 90s and upgrade those things people.
 
FT02 pics! Please! ;)

Kenjiwing said:
What is the deal with all of these people having IDE dvd drives.. this is [H] forums.. get with the 90s and upgrade those things people.
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So I should spend another $30-40 for drive I don't need? My 4-5 year old burner works perfectly fine thank you very much and your exaggeration to "get with the 90s" is the motto of an upgrade junkie. Instead I take a more practical route when upgrading and use that $30-40 I saved to splurge on something that actually matters by buying Radeon 5850 instead of a GTX 275.

If someone is building a new computer from scratch (or buying a Dell) then of course buying IDE is dumb. Otherwise, there's a reason the vast majority of mobos still include an IDE port (no, it's not to piss off tech enthusiasts), and that is because a large number of people still have at least one, if not several, IDE devices.

Or to put it another way, since SATA 6GB is mostly here, are you gonna freak out and feel the uncontrollable urge to upgrade all your hdd/odds over the next 3-4 years? At least in the case of SSDs the new standard will offer some gain for the money spent whereas upgrading my ~2003 burner to SATA offers me a nearly nonexistent performance increase that, if I really really need it, can be experienced by walking across the room and using one of our other computers. Even the flat cable issue matters little with proper routing and rounded cables.
 
coconutboy said:
FT02 pics! Please! ;)



So I should spend another $30-40 for drive I don't need? My 4-5 year old burner works perfectly fine thank you very much and your exaggeration to "get with the 90s" is the motto of an upgrade junkie. Instead I take a more practical route when upgrading and use that $30-40 I saved to splurge on something that actually matters by buying Radeon 5850 instead of a GTX 275.

If someone is building a new computer from scratch (or buying a Dell) then of course buying IDE is dumb. Otherwise, there's a reason the vast majority of mobos still include an IDE port (no, it's not to piss off tech enthusiasts), and that is because a large number of people still have at least one, if not several, IDE devices.

Or to put it another way, since SATA 6GB is mostly here, are you gonna freak out and feel the uncontrollable urge to upgrade all your hdd/odds over the next 3-4 years? At least in the case of SSDs the new standard will offer some gain for the money spent whereas upgrading my ~2003 burner to SATA offers me a nearly nonexistent performance increase that, if I really really need it, can be experienced by walking across the room and using one of our other computers. Even the flat cable issue matters little with proper routing and rounded cables.
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OK, keep your IDE drives then. Feel better?
 
i went ahead and purchased 2 sata dvd burners, only cost me around $50 usd. Ill post pics once i have them installed :)
 
coconutboy said:
FT02 pics! Please! ;)



So I should spend another $30-40 for drive I don't need? My 4-5 year old burner works perfectly fine thank you very much and your exaggeration to "get with the 90s" is the motto of an upgrade junkie. Instead I take a more practical route when upgrading and use that $30-40 I saved to splurge on something that actually matters by buying Radeon 5850 instead of a GTX 275.

If someone is building a new computer from scratch (or buying a Dell) then of course buying IDE is dumb. Otherwise, there's a reason the vast majority of mobos still include an IDE port (no, it's not to piss off tech enthusiasts), and that is because a large number of people still have at least one, if not several, IDE devices.

Or to put it another way, since SATA 6GB is mostly here, are you gonna freak out and feel the uncontrollable urge to upgrade all your hdd/odds over the next 3-4 years? At least in the case of SSDs the new standard will offer some gain for the money spent whereas upgrading my ~2003 burner to SATA offers me a nearly nonexistent performance increase that, if I really really need it, can be experienced by walking across the room and using one of our other computers. Even the flat cable issue matters little with proper routing and rounded cables.
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My main point was if you're willing to waste $250 on a purely cosmetic upgrade why wouldnt you want to spend $20 to get a shitty ide cable out of your case.. but lets not get too upset.. it is just the internets.
 
Kenjiwing said:
My main point was if you're willing to waste $250 on a purely cosmetic upgrade why wouldnt you want to spend $20 to get a shitty ide cable out of your case.. but lets not get too upset.. it is just the internets.
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Kenjiwing, I don't see what you see in that 3007wfp . . . I've got a really sweet Packard Bell 17" CRT I can sell you. Interested???
 
yenniedn said:
Kenjiwing, I don't see what you see in that 3007wfp . . . I've got a really sweet Packard Bell 17" CRT I can sell you. Interested???
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You're going backwards in technology... im supporting buying cosmetic and otherwise "dumb" upgrades and wondering why if someone is willing to buy such a beautiful expensive case why they wouldnt take the time to replace a IDE cd rom drive :)
 
Tell ya what. Install an IDE burner in an FT02. Do some temp testing and OS benching. Then replace it w/ a SATA burner. If you can show that it conclusively makes a performance difference that matters, be it cooling or application performance, I'll buy your rationale. Otherwise, you're saying people should upgrade simply because the technology is there which makes you an upgrade junkie as opposed to painting IDE users as Luddites.

My iphone or flat panel hdtv were upgrades that made a noticeable difference versus the previous components. My 2 sata odds have made zero impact and since our gaming rigs are the least important computers in the house, recycling parts saves money. To my eyes, IDE isn't a bother so long as the cabling is run cleanly.

Given that I fuss over a window mounting scheme while a couple of you are more concerned over a cable or the FT02's lack of sandblasted bay covers, we're probably gonna have to just agree to disagree.

yenniedn said:
OK, keep your IDE drives then. Feel better?
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Kenjiwing said:
My main point was if you're willing to waste $250 on a purely cosmetic upgrade why wouldnt you want to spend $20 to get a shitty ide cable out of your case.. but lets not get too upset.. it is just the internets.
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You're reading emotions into text that don't exist. I'm no more upset than either of you. Troll harder.
 
the reason i bought SATA drives was:

their really cheap < $30 USD

Plus the IDE cable was big and would run over my graphics card just to reach the port, which aesthetically looked very stupid. I figured, i spent $250 on a case, i can spend $50 bucks on a small upgrade to finish it off.
 
The FT02BW is $20 off, $229 at NewEgg. Shipping still costs $30 bucks though.

I must have missed that review link a few pages back; just read it. In relation to this:

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Temp numbers look good. It easily beat the CM ATCS840 in everything except HDD cooling. Even beats it with fans on low.
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I think it's disappointing though. You'd think with the fan setup and the optimal thermal setup as well that the case has, I would think the temps would be even better. Not trying to nitpick here but a degree or two worse on cases that cost less...eh, I just re-lost interest in the FT02 that had just recently come back. :eek:
 
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I was under the impression that the FT02 was an aluminum case with steel internal parts.
I got one from a local shop where it was listed as aluminum case but it now seems that the only aluminum parts in it are the drive bay covers and the much-publicized U-shaped aluminum frame. I feel somehow cheated and I think I'll return it. I think that the proper term for it would be "steel case with aluminum accent pieces"
 
mala fide said:
I was under the impression that the FT02 was an aluminum case with steel internal parts.
I got one from a local shop where it was listed as aluminum case but it now seems that the only aluminum parts in it are the drive bay covers and the much-publicized U-shaped aluminum frame. I feel somehow cheated and I think I'll return it. I think that the proper term for it would be "steel case with aluminum accent pieces"
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Well said;)
 
mala fide said:
I was under the impression that the FT02 was an aluminum case with steel internal parts.
I got one from a local shop where it was listed as aluminum case but it now seems that the only aluminum parts in it are the drive bay covers and the much-publicized U-shaped aluminum frame. I feel somehow cheated and I think I'll return it. I think that the proper term for it would be "steel case with aluminum accent pieces"
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I have returned a few cases to newegg on these grounds. If you list its only building material as aluminum then what you are saying is it is 100% aluminum not that it contains a small amount of aluminum and a fuck ton of steel.
 
Sojuuk said:
I have returned a few cases to newegg on these grounds. If you list its only building material as aluminum then what you are saying is it is 100% aluminum not that it contains a small amount of aluminum and a fuck ton of steel.
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Is this common?
Does Lian-Li or Cooler Master do this?

Since the Antec Sonata was released, I have bought only Sonatas so far and the FT02 was supposed to be my first expensive case.
Now I'm considering ATCS 840, Lian-Li PC-P50 and Lancool K62. I would be interested in buying the RV02 but I can find only windowed version in shops and I hate windows (no pun intented).
 
I didn't even know they made the RV02 w/o a window and don't recall seeing one, but maybe I'm wrong? Also, the LL PC-K62 comes w/ a window. If you don't mind losing the black interior (and seeing the unpainted steel at the rear of the case) there's the K60 for ~$10-15 less which is otherwise the same case AFAIK.
 
coconutboy said:
I didn't even know they made the RV02 w/o a window and don't recall seeing one, but maybe I'm wrong? Also, the LL PC-K62 comes w/ a window. If you don't mind losing the black interior (and seeing the unpainted steel at the rear of the case) there's the K60 for ~$10-15 less which is otherwise the same case AFAIK.
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http://www.silverstonetek.com/raven/products/r-spec.php?model=RV02&area=usa
There's at least a model number for a windowless version but as you said it doesn't seem to be in the shops anywhere.
 
mala fide said:
Is this common?
Does Lian-Li or Cooler Master do this?

Since the Antec Sonata was released, I have bought only Sonatas so far and the FT02 was supposed to be my first expensive case.
Now I'm considering ATCS 840, Lian-Li PC-P50 and Lancool K62. I would be interested in buying the RV02 but I can find only windowed version in shops and I hate windows (no pun intented).
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it's common enough that I just assume any company that isnt lian-li that lists building material as aluminum is bullshitting.
 
like this case, but i'd like to see a smaller version that looks the same but with say 2 5.25 bays instead of 5. would be coooool :)
 
neologan said:
like this case, but i'd like to see a smaller version that looks the same but with say 2 5.25 bays instead of 5. would be coooool :)
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Sojuuk said:
not sure they could make it smaller.
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You're right Sojuuk, the design of this case would not allow it to be any smaller - it is as "small" as it can be already. They could reduce the # of front 5.25" drive bays but the height of the tower must remain as is for higher end GPU's to fit. In fact, as many have mentioned, future revisions might have to be an inch (or more) taller to accommodate cards like the 5970.
 
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