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This is about azzkikur
heatware: 18b1p

Here's the basics:
Bought a PS2 system from him on July 1 (azzkikur on hardforums.com). Did not get a response or the package for a week, so I sent him a message on July 9. No reply. More time went by and I figured he was a scammer, so I filed a paypal fraud alert on July 13. Now, he instantly replied and told me he did not yet send the package and made up some excuse about being at the army.

I checked his posting activity on hardforums here: http://www.hardforum.com/search.php?searchid=1423137 and saw that he was posting nearly EVERY SINGLE DAY since I sent him the money.

Since he was obviously an un-reliable liar, I told him not to ship the package and to give me a refund. He ignored me and sent the package anyway. I messaged him again and told him I would deny the package, but he still ignored me.

Now, he leaves me neggative hetware, accuses me of being a scammer, and says I'm not an american. What's up with that?

Here's my heatware: http://www.heatware.com/eval.php?id=12258

I still have not gotten a refund from either him or paypal - he must be trying as hard as he can to deny me my money :) Oh, and I say Imaginary army lover because he obviously was not camping in the woods for 10 days (like he says in my heatware) if he was posting on hardforums every day.

Be warned, stay away from this guy. (and I hope I get my money back)
 
Thanks for the PM, This Steve Ayers seems to be in Fort Bragg, NC, so is probably no relation to any other guys named the same in different states :)
 
I sold a PS2 to this person. We agreed on a ship date, and then he decided to file a Paypal claim against me before I even had a chance to ship the item. I still shipped item thinking this was a mistake, and he would cancel the claim once he recieved it, but he apparently refused shipment. Funny thing is, the box was opened and the item replaced with a broken one. So I also have a claim going with UPS to see if this was some sort of UPS scam or inside job. Apparently he is running some sort of scam, of which I'm not sure yet. I guess he has a buddy that works for UPS who allows him to open boxes before refusing them. I'm still working with Paypal to see exactly what he's trying to pull. Also, he lives in Pensacola, FL.

Oh yeah, here is the UPS tracking #
1Z0RW0990301686596

This shows when I shipped it, and when he refused it. So even though it shipped as it was supposed to, he still refused the package and somehow got the UPS guy to allow him to open it. Now the guy is on the forums smearing my name because I'm not authorizing the Paypal refund. Imagine that. :rolleyes: If anyone has any info on this guy, please PM it to me.

I was going to keep this whole thing quiet and not publicize the UPS scam because it is under investigation and UPS was being very good about the whole thing, but I guess he want's all the details out in the open. I definitely left him bad Heatware feedback, but was nice enough not to include the full details. Guess it's all out now.

My Ebay Feedback:
http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback&userid=18b1p&ssPageName=STRK:ME:UFS
 
Spectre said:
Isn't there already a thread about this deal?

http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=930043
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Yes there is, but from the topic of that thread and the lies in it I doubt it would be a very fair place to post my findings, would it. The guy even goes to far as to attack my job stating I'm not in the Army, then goes back and says "Well, he does live on Fort Bragg, NC". :rolleyes:

I've already got cases going with Paypal and UPS, and would not have even made any of this public since it's an on going investigation. UPS asked that this info not be made public if possible, but I must defend myself and can't let him slander me without all the facts. For all I care the mods can close and lock both threads, since everything is already rolling and there is no new info to be found it. Just waiting for the cases to settle.
 
azzkikur said:
he still refused the package and somehow got the UPS guy to allow him to open it.
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THAT would never happen, and Im sure when your UPS investigation is complete, they are going to tell you the same thing.....

Im sure there are a few guys in here that work for UPS that can confirm the protocall for a "refused package".

But allowing the recipient to open it, and switch the contents...All while the driver stands on your doorstep, is certainly not part of it :)

good luck with a resolution, and I hope the truth comes out...cause one of you guys is not tellng the truth here.. !!!
 
Crosshairs said:
THAT would never happen, and Im sure when your UPS investigation is complete, they are going to tell you the same thing.....

Im sure there are a few guys in here that work for UPS that can confirm the protocall for a "refused package".

But allowing the recipient to open it, and switch the contents...All while the driver stands on your doorstep, is certainly not part of it :)

good luck with a resolution, and I hope the truth comes out...cause one of you guys is not tellng the truth here.. !!!
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Well someone gave me a broken PS2 and now has my nearly brand new one. AND he is trying to get the money back, so somethings up. I have a couple of buddies that work for shipping companies. They would never break protocol like that, but then again he could have a brother working for UPS for all we know. I've heard of things like this before, just never been a victim of it.
 
azzkikur said:
Well someone gave me a broken PS2 and now has my nearly brand new one. AND he is trying to get the money back, so somethings up. I have a couple of buddies that work for shipping companies. They would never break protocol like that, but then again he could have a brother working for UPS for all we know. I've heard of things like this before, just never been a victim of it.
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Yeah, that sucks for sure.... I have never had a deal go bad, but I guess its gonna happen sooner or later.
I hope you guys get this worked out....
 
azzkikur said:
Yes there is, but from the topic of that thread and the lies in it I doubt it would be a very fair place to post my findings, would it.
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the topic has been changed and the threads merged

the questions Id have are why you didnt keep on top of the deal in the first place
why you shipped at all if he stated he was going to refuse and had filed a Paypal claim
and IMO its a awfully long strech to imply that the goods where swapped out in a refused package, and that there is collusion with UPS

your accounts differ on the agreed shipping schedual
but a paypal claim is a clear indicator that something is amiss
and by shipping after the fact you are now in this mess

my personal opinion is that if you want to avoid legal action youd best refund the money and pursue your theories and the investigations after the fact.
Your lack of due diligence doesnt bode well for your arguements, and the collusion almost amounts to a flight of fancy and at this point isnt grounds to deny resolution without further corraborating evidence, holding the money until the completion of the aforementioned investigations not being a legal option. And I see no proof that said investigations are actually underway.

In the event that UPS was in collusion (or that they where totally at fault) they will be liable not Kogan and restitution will be sought from them, if Kogan was a party to the the scam then UPS will pursue him to the fullest extent of the law along with the driver.

So refund, since you have no legal basis not to at this point and any evidence that may emerge will put the burden of compensation onto a third party

lastly, there would be physical evidence of a package being opened and resealed
and youd likely be posting the PICs far and wide

your failure to not ship when there was a clear problem, you failure to not insure, your failure to properly document both the original package and the return package as evidence all weight in against you, and until this is resolved your trading priveleges are suspended
 
Ice Czar said:
the topic has been changed and the threads merged

the questions Id have are why you didnt keep on top of the deal in the first place
why you shipped at all if he stated he was going to refuse and had filed a Paypal claim
and IMO its a awfully long strech to imply that the goods where swapped out in a refused package, and that there is collusion with UPS

your accounts differ on the agreed shipping schedual
but a paypal claim is a clear indicator that something is amiss
and by shipping after the fact you are now in this mess

my personal opinion is that if you want to avoid legal action youd best refund the money and pursue your theories and the investigations after the fact.
Your lack of due diligence doesnt bode well for your arguements, and the collusion almost amounts to a flight of fancy and at this point isnt grounds to deny resolution without further corraborating evidence, holding the money until the completion of the aforementioned investigations not being a legal option. And I see no proof that said investigations are actually underway.

In the event that UPS was in collusion (or that they where totally at fault) they will be liable not Kogan and restitution will be sought from them, if Kogan was a party to the the scam then UPS will pursue him to the fullest extent of the law along with the driver.

So refund, since you have no legal basis not to at this point and any evidence that may emerge will put the burden of compensation onto a third party

lastly, there would be physical evidence of a package being opened and resealed
and youd likely be posting the PICs far and wide

your failure to not ship when there was a clear problem, you failure to not insure, your failure to properly document both the original package and the return package as evidence all weight in against you, and until this is resolved your trading priveleges are suspended
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I've done about 15 successful transactions on these forums. MOST people wouldn't take pictures and document every little move they made. I DID take pictures of the PS2 in the box and packed that I sent to Kogan. I didn't expect to get ripped off, so I didn't take any pictures of the box when it was returned. Who would think this kind of thing is possible?

If I had received the PS2 back exactly like I shipped it, there would be no issue in giving a refund. But since I didn't, Paypal and UPS will complete their investigations and will decide what happens. I definitely won't be issueing a refund.

You definitely aren't a neutral third party, as you have made a lot of assumptions and accusations and voiced a clear bias and have sided with Kogan. SO, when I hear something else from Paypal and UPS, I will know what's going on. I'm not going to get into an argument on the forums about this, since it's out of both parties hands at this point.


EDIT: Image removed. Please do not post Kogan's personal info here. - Lethal




There are the pictures you were so quick to assume I didn't take. I won't be reading this thread or posting here until I hear something else from UPS and Paypal, because I won't goaded into an all out flame war by a scammer or biased parties.
 
I hope you packed that PS2 A LOT better than that. Things that are less fragile I always make sure to completely surround in bubble wrap and packing peanuts or newspaper on all sides. If that's how it went out there is no wonder it came back broken. And what about the shipping label? That is NOT a valid UPS shipping label by any means or stretch of the imagination.

I'm not being biased here but after seeing those pics, it's hard to believe that you could expect it to be working (or HE could expect it to be working when he got it) if that's how it was packaged.
 
mETRo said:
I hope you packed that PS2 A LOT better than that. Things that are less fragile I always make sure to completely surround in bubble wrap and packing peanuts or newspaper on all sides. If that's how it went out there is no wonder it came back broken. And what about the shipping label? That is NOT a valid UPS shipping label by any means or stretch of the imagination.

I'm not being biased here but after seeing those pics, it's hard to believe that you could expect it to be working (or HE could expect it to be working when he got it) if that's how it was packaged.
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It seems when you look at the PS2 underneath it, there is plenty of bubble wrap and packaged air. I assume the PS2 is not (yet) covered because if it was, the PS2 would not be visible for the picture, which would open a whole slew of other questions :p . I don't think it is a stretch to say that afterwards he would have put as much bubble wrap on top as he did on bottom.

And the shipping label... well, that is not a shipping label - its just documentation for himself of who he shipped it to.

My 2 cents.
 
mETRo said:
I hope you packed that PS2 A LOT better than that. Things that are less fragile I always make sure to completely surround in bubble wrap and packing peanuts or newspaper on all sides. If that's how it went out there is no wonder it came back broken. And what about the shipping label? That is NOT a valid UPS shipping label by any means or stretch of the imagination.

I'm not being biased here but after seeing those pics, it's hard to believe that you could expect it to be working (or HE could expect it to be working when he got it) if that's how it was packaged.
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Uhh, yeah. Kind of hard to take pictures THROUGH bubble wrap and packaging. Yes, it was packed much better than that. And how would I have the shipping label on the box BEFORE I dropped it off??? I DO have a picture of the shipping label and receipt, but if I can't show anyone personal info, how do I post the pic here?? If one of the admins or mods wants the picture, please PM me and I'll send it to you. Aranaxon is right, I had Kogans address on top of the box so I would know which package is which. I sell a lot of stuff on Ebay and other forums, and you have to have some kind of system. Plus, anyone could take pictures of a BOX and say it was "THE" box. That pics was to show him it was HIS box.
 
Here you go:



Plus you can click the link higher in the post and see full tracking details for the PS2
 
azzkikur said:
You definitely aren't a neutral third party, as you have made a lot of assumptions and accusations and voiced a clear bias and have sided with Kogan. SO, when I hear something else from Paypal and UPS, I will know what's going on. I'm not going to get into an argument on the forums about this, since it's out of both parties hands at this point.

There are the pictures you were so quick to assume I didn't take. I won't be reading this thread or posting here until I hear something else from UPS and Paypal, because I won't goaded into an all out flame war by a scammer or biased parties.
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This is simple your own testimony damning your case
1. you shipped a package which was already contested
2. you state it was refused and thus technically never in the possession of the recipient
3. yet you have withheld the funds from the buyer without offering a shred of evidence that an investigation is actually occuring, the outcome of which is technically immaterial to the completion of the contract

no goods where exchanged yet money was paid and under the law you need to refund

the goods in question having disappeared in transit and is legally a seperate incident and has no bearing on the legal responsibilities of your unfulfilled contract with Kogan. UPS was legally in possession of the goods at all times per their confirmation of refusal. And are thus "on the hook" for any disappearence.

And the physical evidence that the package had been opened and resealed would still be visable on the package even after opening a 2nd time.

Yet I see no pictures, and I see no investigation case number.
In fact youve offered no evidence whatsoever,
only testimony that in itself damns your legal position to withold the funds.

Your trading privileges remain banned


Ive never even posted to a thread with Kogan before, in fact this incident is the first time Ive seen either of your names, so I can hardly see how Id be biased, its simply that your case, argument, legal footing and evidence is weak.

and that even with pictures of package tampering and confirmation of an ongoing investigation
that still would not be grounds to withold the funds since Kogan isnt liable for a package that he techinally hasnt recieved

if UPS finds some sort of collusion they will be responsibe to pursue restitution and legal remedies
as of right now your pursuing an action against UPS not Kogan

unless you have made some sort of factual error to your story
its cut and dried and an unfulfilled contract requires that the money be returned.

what was the serial number of the PS2 you sent?
what is the serial number of the PS2 you have?
 
It's just funny to me how you choose to jump in the middle of an issue that is already in process and take such a biased PUBLIC stand on your own opinions, when there are blatant instances of fraud and I don't see a single post by you or a bit of "advice". Other moderators take unbiased stances and let the issue work it's self out or allow forum members to offer up advice. Take this thread for instance.

http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=927965&highlight=blanket

You don't see Cold Dark Shadow saying a negative word to a guy who BLATANTELY ripped someone off. The guys has no references and apparently a troll. I frequent the forums a lot, and if you look at my threads, I enjoy using the forum.

This thread isn't even necessary, since it isn't going to change anything anyway. If Paypal deems that Kogan should get a refund, then he will get a refund and I'll have a nice broken Playstation 2 to sell for scrap. If not, then he won't. They should reach their decision any time now. Simple as that. This is a difficult situation, and I'll take whatever verdict they deliver.
 
Ice Czar said:
what was the serial number of the PS2 you sent?
what is the serial number of the PS2 you have?
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I didn't bother too write down the serial # of the one I sent, and only took the pictures you see above. So I can't get the serial off them. YES, that was a mistake. And yes, if I ever sell a serial # item I will definitely have all the information. I've never been in a situation like this, and believe me I'll be much more thorough in my documentation next time. Hindsight is 20/20.
 
thats simple because its not a question of Kogan says vs azzkikur says
its a question of you say only

the package was refused you have stated that

ergo that removes Kogan from the equation altogether legally at this point he is infact not even a party to this thread other than its his money being held

they are legally two seperate instances

your goods have gone missing
anyone between Ft Bragg and Pensacola can be responsible yet you are holding Kogan's funds
he has proof the item was refused, he has proof the item was contested before it even shipped

and I have adviced you
but since you seem to not have gotten it before
you have no legal grounds to withold the funds
and the target of your wrath and badmouthing has every legal recourse available to him to compel you to return them. It is not my job to compel you to return the funds, simply to suspend accounts and or trading privileges of bad traders.


If you have trouble following this basic logic
I would refer you to resources on the net pertaining to contract law
and or an attorney, which you will likely need if you do not refund the money and aquit the contract

proving that Kogan is or is not complicit in this is the job of UPS
proving that there has been package tampering at all to UPS is your job
if you have offered the same evidence to them that you have to me soon your in for bad news
and soon after someone in Blue is likely to show up and compel you to refund the money.

those are the realities of the situation
Id highly suggest you recover and document the returned package for any evidence of tampering and forward that immediately to UPS

if for instance the driver left the package wiothout a signiture
and it was subsequently refused, yet you required a signature for delivery
they are liable not Kogan, they will then inturn pursue fraud charges against Kogan themselves
 
If your holding funds because it was refused, then YOU need to refund the funds. The item was refused, not in his position and your beef is with UPS NOT him

You need to refund his cash and deal with UPS directly
There is no reason that you need to withhold it from him.
 
Ok, I see both of your point. I'm going to call Paypal and UPS tomorrow after PT and see what they say. I'll probably just end up refunding the money. :( It's just hard to stomach the fact that I'm giving the money back, AND I don't even have a working PS2 anymore!!! :mad:

Edit: BTW, thanks for the input Cold Dark Shadow. You've always been fair, impartial, and very helpful. to everyone on the forum, and it's greatly appreciated.
 
I know it tough to seperate these two incidents but those are the legal realities
and its my opinion that casting dispersions onto Kogan and labeling him a scammer is definately jumping the gun, if the shoe where on the other foot Id be explaining this to him instead you, after all your just two new names to me.

you really do need to document the evidence in your possession to keep from getting screwed over by UPS, if they have no physical evidence to backup your claims they will put the burden of proof onto you and then you will have to pursue them through small claims court and if Kogan doesnt get a refund - with the proofs he already has even if PayPal sides with you he can just go to the FBI and your local police, provide copies of your own statements and then your catching it from both sides.

None of this means your theory is correct or incorrect, its simply how law enforcement and the courts are going to view it and the burden of proof you need to meet.

Good Luck

PS in the event you require assistance and advice to deal with UPS Id be happy to help
but real legal advise would very likely be better.
 
I know it's hard to believe one or the other of us, but azzkikur has making up some interesting lies and off-the-wall assumptions.

I'd still like to hear his explanation of how he could post on hardforums for 2 weeks while he was camping in the woods and not have a chance to reply to me.

I'd like to know where the message is that he supposedly sent me stating that he would be late shipping the ps2.

I'd like to know why he never sent me a message or replied to my PM's until I filed a paypal fraud alert.

I'd like to know why he tried to force the shipment onto me even though I asked for a refund and told him I didn't want it. (even though he says now that he thinks it was a mistake at the time - ?)

Insider job at UPS? I think someone watches too much TV. No, he received back the exact same PS2 that he tried to send me. I never even got a chance to touch the package before I told the UPS guy that I wanted to deny the shipment. If the ps2 came back to him broken, it was because of his own poor packaging job (I would never ship a ps2 in that sort of packaging).

All packages through UPS come with $100 free insurance, so why doesn't he just file an insurance claim? (although they may deny it considering the packaging material).

I gave a few good personal insults to him through PM, but he doesn't seem to want to respond there, so hopefully he can answer some of my questions for me here. Comming clean with the truth and just giving me my refund would also be good :)
 
Ive found that logical arguments beat insults hands down
when it comes to getting what you want.

Helping azzkikur with his claim against UPS for instance,
freely providing any pertinent information you have that might assist him
would be another way to start to rebuild trust

what I wouldnt do at this point is rehash old points that really have little bearing on the refund
and cast doubt on his original intentions, I think its more likely you are both honest traders that have just gotten sideways on this deal.
 
Bump for an update..I think we have 2 decent folks here that just need to work out their troubles....

Lets see this resolved ......I know you guys can do it :)
 
Im a bit confused, just wondering, why was the package refused in the first place? How did you have some sort of hunch that there was something wrong with it?
 
the deal was contested before it even shipped, it fell apart do to a communication breakdown
the refusal only made sense considering the paypal complaint had already been filed for a return of the money, accepting the package at that point would have obligated Kogan to pursue concluding the contract, goods would have been exchanged and compensation rendered per the original terms
 
Taking 14 days to ship something is not acceptable. Surely when you take a deal, you know your plans ahead of time, especially if you are in the army. I know i wouldnt wait 2 weeks to have something shipped. Shipping something the day after the claim was filed is even more baffling. Makes me wonder if the PS2 was damaged beforehand and the seller was trying to pawn it off on someone, then blame UPS for it. Finally, i think if someone at UPS was committing fraud, they wouldnt be interested in a used PS2.

I feel bad for the guy who is owed money, i dont see how he has done a thing wrong here.
 
All we've heard is this guy got a broken PS2 back.


He claims it is a different PS2, But how are we to know? He did not write down the Serial number, and he has yet to provide anything that would uniquely identify his PS2.


Any damage or breakage could have easily happened with UPS, Which is not the ideal shipper anyways, They are not gentle with their packages at all. The last 2 packages I've recieved via UPS were beaten to shit, and had foot prints on them. The boxes were obviously damaged and partially broken upen from the damage.


In my case, however, they were simple purchases that would not break undersuch abuse.



What I am getting at, is UPS is... in my experiance, and in the experiance of those I know, notoriously bad for abusing packages.

Which could explain why it appeared to be tampered with, and why his PS2 was broken.


And since he made no attempt to uniquely identify his PS2 before shipping, He has know way of even knowing this is NOT his PS2 other then the fact that it does not work. Which could easily have been caused by UPS's foul handling.


I say he files a claim with UPS for damaged goods, and refund Kogans money. Since Kogan did refuse the package, It was never in his hands...And if it was despite his refusal, then it is a matter for UPS to deal with.

Not you.

So give him back his money, File a damaged goods claim with UPS, and end it.
 
Speaking personally, it sounds like someone's making up a nice steaming pile of bullshit.

However, speaking that it might actually have happened the way he's insisting.. he said he was going call paypal/ups tomorrow on the 21st. which means he should have refunded the money after filing a claim with ups and contacting paypal. If someone could update to whether he's done so or not would be great.

Now, on the other hand, leaving negative heatware to Kogan was definately not necessary.
-You have no proof that he, "opened the item and replaced it" - The package was refused, and that's the only thing you actually do know.
-You said he filed a paypal fraud complaint after you shipped the item (or you said you didn't see it atleast - do you not check your email daily?) He filed on the 13th, your shipping reciept shows the 14th.. which means either that you were caught in a blatant lie, or it is your fault for not checking your email/paypal info prior (even a day prior) to shipping the item.
-You being out on a "field exercise" for 10 days is definately not his fault.
-He says he paid on July 1st -> So if you were really gone for 10 days that would mean you got back no later than July 11th/12. Yet item wasn't shipped til the 14th? If he paid, you should've shipped the item. Shipping it over a week later is in no way reasonable. I would also be so pissed that the item hadn't been shipped yet, as to demand my money back.
 
Speaking personally, nobody gives a fuck what you guys think. Kogan and I are dealing with this, so your little comments, or this thread aren't needed.

Mods, I just emailed you. Please close this thread.
 
Since this is now a merged thread with two different original posters I have honored your request,
but if Kogun asks that it be reopened I'll have to take that under consideration
especially since no further information has been provided regarding the status of this deal.


And be advised azzkikur
the above rudness and language isnt the only instance of you flirting with the rules
you will be civil or you will be history, flaming, name calling and intolerance is the leading cause of burnt bread here abouts
we strictly enforce those rules (it escapes me how you avoided an official warning in that example)

when you post a thread you have to expect people to offer their opinion,
and if you dont want to hear opinions that differ from yours dont start threads
 
Howdy Kogun I got your message
azzkikur has been trying to get ahold of you for several weeks to refund your money
but you aint been around, here or answering the messages\emails hes been sending
hes actully been hounding me a bit about it :p

I suggested that possibly you where on a school break since you had an .edu email
 
Ice Czar said:
Howdy Kogun I got your message
azzkikur has been trying to get ahold of you for several weeks to refund your money
but you aint been around, here or answering the messages\emails hes been sending
hes actully been hounding me a bit about it :p

I suggested that possibly you where on a school break since you had an .edu email
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Oh, and I emailed him to get it taken care off a couple weeks ago, and he was a complete ***hole. Ice Czar, I'm going to PM you the messages that I sent, and the responses I got back. I had emailed Paypal a few weeks ago about this and told them the buyer wasn't at fault, and the case finally closed today. All I have to do is authorize the refund on my Paypal account, but after his last message, that may be a while. He'll get his money, but he's crazy if he thinks it's a big priority after the crap he's been spewing and the messages I've received. The fact that I tried to give him his money back a few weeks ago, and he refused and proceeded to flame me multiple times and threaten me on top of that, makes me think I may have forgotten my Paypal password.
 
I work for UPS and a refused shipment never gets in the customer's hand. As far as it being different, for future reference, notate the serial numbers of things you sell on ebay. I almost took a 3k lose on an item but because I had proof of what I sent, I didnt.

Good luck to both of you on this one.
 
azzkikur said:
Oh, and I emailed him to get it taken care off a couple weeks ago, and he was a complete ***hole. Ice Czar, I'm going to PM you the messages that I sent, and the responses I got back. I had emailed Paypal a few weeks ago about this and told them the buyer wasn't at fault, and the case finally closed today. All I have to do is authorize the refund on my Paypal account, but after his last message, that may be a while. He'll get his money, but he's crazy if he thinks it's a big priority after the crap he's been spewing and the messages I've received. The fact that I tried to give him his money back a few weeks ago, and he refused and proceeded to flame me multiple times and threaten me on top of that, makes me think I may have forgotten my Paypal password.
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Don't retaliate this way. Just end the transaction. If you do something like this, I'd consider you a poor trader, not to mention incredibly immature.
 
BigBadBiologist said:
Don't retaliate this way. Just end the transaction. If you do something like this, I'd consider you a poor trader, not to mention incredibly immature.
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Oh, so I should just take his berating remarks in stride, even after I tried to be helpful and end this a long time ago?? I've already stated he'll get his money back, when I get around to messing with my Paypal account.
 
azzkikur said:
Oh, so I should just take his berating remarks in stride, even after I tried to be helpful and end this a long time ago?? I've already stated he'll get his money back, when I get around to messing with my Paypal account.
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THAT is a very poor attitude. The fast you get his $$$ back the faster this is over.
I think til you do refund is cash your trading ability here is very limited

Comments you received may have not been needed but be the bigger person here and just finish it already
 
I see absolutely no reason at all why I should be "nice" to you, Azz. I've upheld my end of things. I've said I'd do exactly what I did, and you still have my $110 and refuse to give it back. I'm not going to remove my negative heatware for you, like you previously requested, because again - Mine is all true! (what a supprise)

You are the one who first posted negative feedback about me, berating me, and made up several lies in the process. I'm way past the point of being nice to you since you've never from the beginning tried to be nice to me.

I've started a search on your personal information and will bring you to small claims court to get my $110 back if necessary. If the judge thinks I've handled this the wrong way by making several insults to you intelligence (which I think you deserve), then I don't mind being slapped on the back of the hand for it. This however won't stop me from getting the refund that will be legally awarded to me.

After further researching, the fees associated to file for a $110 small claims case is $85 in my state, and I've been told that when I win, these fees will be added to my judgement against your assets. The fees associated with transfering my judgement to NC or whatever state you have assets in, will also be added on top of that.

So if you don't give my refund like you know I legally deserve, I will take legal actions against you and it will cost you at least twice as much.

If anyone in this forum has other addresses/information on this guy, please let me know since as you can see, it's obvious he is not going to let go of my $110 without kicking and screaming like a little kid.

I've already started emailing Azz's previous buyers and sellers on ebay/etc to get a verifiable address.

Or, here's a great idea - just end this now, you deadbeat, by giving me my refund. You're the lowest sort of person, are a disrespect to your (supposed) job, this forum (as I've seen in your many military-!!!!!! posts), and to the American community.

Like I said, I'm done being nice to you, and it's time to test your sorry butt in the legal system.
 
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