Refresh Rate and VSYNC Poll

[Brent_Justice]

When playing a game it is more of a feeling thing than it is a seeing thing. You can feel the change.

 

[cell_491]

You're changing the situation though. You dont play games at a constant steady FPS no matter what, it will change. When I'm playing a game I cant tell you the exact FPS but I cant can tell you when I'm getting a higher FPS or a lower one and I can feel the change between them, movement changes almost in games, and learning your system to know your FPS perfectly can often make you a amazing FPS player.

On a side note, Opeth owns you.

yea but thats not what you originally said...you said you could tell the difference also WTF is opeth

 

[DougLite]

17" Sony LCD, DVI, Radeon 9800 hard modded to Pro. All of my games look fantastic at the montior's default of 60Hz, no vsync. My Hitachi CM801 21" CRT looks great in 1600x1200 @ 70Hz, no flicker. However, my LCD feels better for extended sessions.

 

[superlyduper]

When playing a game it is more of a feeling thing than it is a seeing thing. You can feel the change.

yes, unless it is a game with very bright (white) colors, then I can see the change in refresh rate.

i'd put big money on 60hz 60fps vs 85hz 85fps. not so sure about 60 vs 70 though, difference is rather small

/120hz 100fps cs 1.6

 

[Skrying]

yea but thats not what you originally said...you said you could tell the difference also WTF is opeth

We were talking about games at first, and I stated I could tell when my FPS is above 60 and when its below.

This is Opeth: http://opeth.com/

 

[cell_491]

We were talking about games at first, and I stated I could tell when my FPS is above 60 and when its below.

This is Opeth: http://opeth.com/

im sure you can see it when the frames drop or rise suddenly or significantly but what you just said is the same scenario i just mentioned. If you didnt have netgraph on im sure you could tell me when the fps changes but theres no way you could tell me by how much

 

[delusion_2005]

Yeah i play game with Vsync on with a 17inch CRT at 85hertz, playing game with Vsync feel alot smoother.

 

[Skrying]

Yeah i play game with Vsync on with a 17inch CRT at 85hertz, playing game with Vsync feel alot smoother.

Do you use triple buffering? Generally Vsync causes my games to go ultra un smooth and its the main reason I dont use it, I can live with tearing, it doesnt effect my play, but unsmoothness does.

 

[Tunasashimi]

1024x768 @ 85Hz

VSync off


No tearing in games.

Vsync off means tearing. If you're not seeing any tearing, then it means your game or driver is overriding your setting with "ON". Or you simply don't notice it. How convenient.

I get a headache on any refresh rate under 75Hz, and often 75Hz even looks flickery. On good CRT monitors 85Hz can be as crisp and clear as 75Hz, sometimes even up to 100Hz+, but most often you can tell when something is >75Hz due to it being slightly dull/blurry on most CRTs. This is not neccessarily the CRT, but could be the graphics card hardware.

Vsync off has only one sole purpose, and that is improving the framerate of a benchmark. Full stop.

Well... err, yes.. if it's jerky with vsync on... it must be just on that pivotal point of sluggishness, the sole purpose of overclocking is to push your hardware over a threshold like that. What game are you talking about?

Have you ever noticed the tearing when watching movies on TV out, when both your screens are connected? I see this with all cards. Can't believe the driver manufacturers' driver coders are so imcompetent. I can't stand tearing.

In the old days, games would look super shitty, with huge parts of the screen's layers being totally invisible, with Vsync off. But we are talking 4Mhz 8086 class PC's here...

 

[Zerolus]

800 x 600 100 or 120hz (depends on game)
Vsync off
no aa or af

I would leave vsync on but it causes slight mouse lag which just gets in the way.

For single player or non FPS games, eye candy all the way up
1600 x 1200 75hz
16x af 4x aa

 

[Firebat]

Depends on the game, Doom3=VSYNC ON || Oblivion=VSYNC OFF

Crt 85 hertz @ 1024x768

 

[wollyka]

LCD 60 Hz 1280*1024 Vsync off

 

[Lord_Exodia]

Vsync off and I run my 20 in WS LCD @75hz

 

[SSlaytanic]

1280x1024, CRT, 120hz, no vsync\\

17''

 

[defaultluser]

Vsync off means tearing. If you're not seeing any tearing, then it means your game or driver is overriding your setting with "ON". Or you simply don't notice it. How convenient.

No, it dosen't. It means tearing can occur if two aspects are true:

1. The models are suceptible to it.
2. You move the mouse (FOV) horizontally fast enough between frames that you can see the tear between the frames. In many games you just don't do this.

Tearing is only obvious on games with lots of vertical structures with simple geometry and stark contrasting colors. This is due to how the video card draws the screen a line at a time, top to bottom.

For example, a simple doorway in say, Quake 3 would make tearing obvious as you moved close to it. The door texture is unlike anything beyond the doorway (high contrast), and the small number of polygons means klots of visible straight vertical lines, which really makes tearing visible.

But recent games have tons of polygons, much less high-contrast pure vertical models, and lots of textures that don't have a lot of contrast between them (grass, trees, stone, wood, dirt etc).

I run with vsync off. CRT, 1280x960, 85Hz. Running with vsync on requires either turning features off to get a solid 85fps, or putting up with annoying bursts at 42fps or lower.

 

[t3mp]

1280X960 (or 1024 when I can't get 960) CRT, 85hz no VSYNC.

Anything other then 85hz causes tearing in games, no matter the framerate.

VSYNC causes tearing and random framerate drops in games.

 

[troisanh]

1680x1050 60hz vsync off.

 

[iSkylla]

LCD @ 75Hz no Vsync

I would use vsync but I need 100FPS in CS 1.6 because the recoil is different with the amount of FPS. With a CRT I would run 100Hz with Vsync on.

 

[cyks]

12x10 - 75hertz (just bought it, NEC Multisync 90GX2)

16x12 max, play on 12x10 - 120hertz - Dell trinitron

No Vsync, I just raise the IQ to lower the fps into spec.

I can see the difference between 60 and 60+ fps. I cannot feel anything but my mouse thou.

panning the view on a FPS gives it away-- I can see the difference. Should I donate my body to science?

Higher fps is more difficult (100+), but if I can get panning or any movement fast enough, anything is possible.

 

[Un4given]

My good old trustworthy NEC FP1370. Because I don't have a video card to push high resolutions with the eye candy, I game mostly at 1280x1024, so I can run my refresh rate at 120Hz.

VSync on unless I am benchmarking.

 

[BBA]

I run at 16x12 on lcd at 60 hz with no vsync and no tearing noticed.

I did run vsync when I was running geforce cards, and if I turned it off, it would tear. Now I am past that, but partly why I don't notice it is the LCD screen I am using seems to slightly de-focus fast movements (Dell 2001FP) and it just isn't as bad with ATi. Of course, with ATi you have a hard time with choppiness with vsync on, so it's a mix either way.

 

[BBA]

i guarantee you cant tell the difference between 60fps and 70fps...the human mind just isnt fast enough to tell that kind of difference

Your being ignorant. I guarantee I can tell the difference between 60 Hz and 70 Hz, as well as many others can. I can even see light modulation in CRT screens at 75 Hz.

Just because your eyes are bad...doesn't mean every one else is like you.

 

[Rare1]

60hz and vsync on or I get tearing

 

[Xephian]

2005FPW @ 75Hz with no vsync.

 

[cyks]

Your being ignorant. I guarantee I can tell the difference between 60 Hz and 70 Hz, as well as many others can. I can even see light modulation in CRT screens at 75 Hz.

Just because your eyes are bad...doesn't mean every one else is like you.

On my old Dell Trinitron, I could easily see the difference between 85 and 100 hertz (whites were whiter and my mouse was smoother than a baby's ass)

 

[Borgschulze]

I play 1280x1024@75hz on my BenQ FP93G X.

My old Viewsonic 19", I played 1600x1200@60hz.

Vsync on in both cases.

 

[~GoaT~]

I only play CS/CSS/Q3/Q4/UT2K4 so I play at 800x600 in all except cs 1.6 which I run 640x480, all at 120hz.

 

[PliotronX]

It depends on what I'm playing. If it's single player and can benefit from some Temporal Anti-aliasing which requires VSync, I also enable or force triple buffering via ATT to avoid buffer underruns, but for multiplayer, I strongly prefer no VSync because of the extra lag from the buffer flip in TB. The tearing doesn't bother me as much. I've had an LCD at 60Hz for almost two years now. I miss the enhanced black levels of my beautiful DiamondTron, but not the heat output and crappy geometry.