Recycler Charged With Fraudulent Disposal Of Electronics

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It sure seems like we are hearing stories like this more often lately, doesn't it? I don't get it. Is it really that hard to just do what you are supposed to do and recycle this stuff? It just seems like more work to break the law than it is to just do it the right way. :confused:

The Chicago-area recycling business owner who allegedly operated a multimillion-dollar scheme that fraudulently disposed of potentially hazardous electronic parts was set to be released on bond Tuesday after a hearing in federal court. Brian Brundage, the former owner of Intercon Solutions and current owner of EnviroGreen Processing, was arrested Monday and charged with five counts of income tax evasion, four counts of mail fraud and two counts of wire fraud.
 

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Most of the "free" e-cycle places are not really recycling properly.
 

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This is what happens when the government gets involved, offering tax breaks and other incentives to these "recyclers"
It ends up attracting corrupt people who game the system to maximize their profits.
 

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Our recycler *cough* came last week with a regular garbage truck and threw everything together just like plain old garbage and compacted it. Guess where that will end up. City doesn't care as long as they haul it away.
 

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This is what happens when the government gets involved, offering tax breaks and other incentives to these "recyclers"
It ends up attracting corrupt people who game the system to maximize their profits.
the tax breaks don't even cover the costs of recycling e-waste, there is almost zero money in it which is why it's cheaper to sell it off to 3rd world countries instead. even here in spokane where they make recycling a big deal 90% of the computer shit you recycle what can't be burned in the incinerator power plant just goes to the landfill because they only make 3 cents a pound from the state if it's properly recycled and after labor/fuel they lose about 50 cents a pound. it's not like the 90's and early 2000's when there was tons of gold that could be recycled out of old computer parts.
 

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Our recycler *cough* came last week with a regular garbage truck and threw everything together just like plain old garbage and compacted it. Guess where that will end up. City doesn't care as long as they haul it away.
That is single stream recycling. The recycling plant sorts it rather than the consumer. Here are some tours of one of the biggest recycling plants in NYC:

 

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That is single stream recycling. The recycling plant sorts it rather than the consumer. Here are some tours of one of the biggest recycling plants in NYC:
Yeah, I get that is how a lot of municipalities do that. In fact we're going to start that at the first of the year with the bigger bins auto pick and unload method. No hands on loading.

My point is this was a regular dump truck that crushes the garbage, which they did and you can't do in order to recycle. They've come most of the time with real recycle trucks. Obvious where it was going to end up.
 

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So what is the big deal with tossing electronics in properly lined garbage dumps anyway?
I know there is all kinds of shit in electronics, but does it really leach and contaminate that bad?
Seriously asking.
 

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What's annoying is it sounds like this guy was doing this for the last 10 years. So why are are the feds only arresting this guy now?
 

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If you live in an impoverished 3rd world country and you have an opportunity for a job; any job, you don't turn it down. You do what you can do to make money to support yourself and family.
WHAT in the world make people think these jobs will be clean, safe and easy???
3rd world country do not have the luxury for such standards. Are you going to have a Indian version of OSHA go into these places over safety concerns? You just shut down half the jobs in the country and made the lot
of the poor people 10 times worse.
Such standards are directly the result of the countries WEALTH. No wealth, low standards. Get use to it!
 

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It's the tax evasion charge that will really hurt. Don't f with the IRS. Ever.
 
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Nothing to do with Murderopolisland, AKA Chicago: The iFixit vid about Apple's new iImplant ear phones was interesting. Held together with glue, no way to fix them, or to dispose of them properly. Apple could at least accept dead ones, grind them up, mix them with offal, and feed Foxconn employees.
 

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Our recycler sent a shit ton of LCD monitors to Hong Kong instead of recycling them. They got busted big time. They apologized, of course...
 

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Yeah, I get that is how a lot of municipalities do that. In fact we're going to start that at the first of the year with the bigger bins auto pick and unload method. No hands on loading.

My point is this was a regular dump truck that crushes the garbage, which they did and you can't do in order to recycle. They've come most of the time with real recycle trucks. Obvious where it was going to end up.
You obviously don't have a clue. The POINT of single stream is that it CAN be collected by the same truck and it CAN be compacted due to the cushion effect of the paper/cardboard. Even glass. Plus newer screen tech allows better cleaning of the paper fraction. 30 yrs in the industry.

As for corruption, yes it can be in all parts of the industry. One idiot in Florida was caught dribbling liquid HAZARDOUS waste out the back of his truck all over the back roads. Jail time.

Many asshole "capitalists" open their doors, stockpile all sorts of shit (getting paid for disposal), and then when the property is full, walk away, file bankruptcy, etc.

Except for the big firms, the GOVERNMENT facilities are the only ones really trying to do things right.
 

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Can we just hire the Swedish recycler administrators to come to America and teach/force us on how to recycle things properly? They're so effective over there with their mandated programs, that they ran out of trash in their empty landfills and are now importing other countries junk to keep their recycling power plants going.
 

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One does not simply make a non-leaching landfill.

http://www.ejnet.org/landfills/
This is pretty much true. But you can minimize it.

However, landfills do have to monitor groundwater as is leaves the boundary and if crap is found, monitored and treated as need be. Most modern landfills are decently sited, and the groundwater typically moves really slowly and can be handled.

Good luck with all this once EPA gets gutted.
 

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You obviously don't have a clue. The POINT of single stream is that it CAN be collected by the same truck and it CAN be compacted due to the cushion effect of the paper/cardboard. Even glass. Plus newer screen tech allows better cleaning of the paper fraction. 30 yrs in the industry.

As for corruption, yes it can be in all parts of the industry. One idiot in Florida was caught dribbling liquid HAZARDOUS waste out the back of his truck all over the back roads. Jail time.

Many asshole "capitalists" open their doors, stockpile all sorts of shit (getting paid for disposal), and then when the property is full, walk away, file bankruptcy, etc.

Except for the big firms, the GOVERNMENT facilities are the only ones really trying to do things right.
Calm the fuck down. They haven't started that yet in our city so in this case the crushing means its going to the dump because our current recycler doesn't take to one of those single line plants.

By the way the single line recycling is probably the worst method of recycling products due to the crushing.

Lastly don't feed me your bullshit capitalistic views. Don't want or need to hear it.
 

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Can we just hire the Swedish recycler administrators to come to America and teach/force us on how to recycle things properly? They're so effective over there with their mandated programs, that they ran out of trash in their empty landfills and are now importing other countries junk to keep their recycling power plants going.
They are not self supporting. Impose UK/EU level taxes and we can build shit like that.

They are importing because many times they are PAID to take the waste. I'm assuming you mean RDF plants since you said "power plants".

There are typically only a few types of waste streams that can truly be collected and recycled profitably and even then it can be tricky. ALL others are paid for via taxes of some sort.
 

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Calm the fuck down. They haven't started that yet in our city so in this case the crushing means its going to the dump because our current recycler doesn't take to one of those single line plants.

By the way the single line recycling is probably the worst method of recycling products due to the crushing.

Lastly don't feed me your bullshit capitalistic views. Don't want or need to hear it.
Ummm, you were the one making completely ignorant statements. If you don't want corrected, don't make them.
 

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Ummm, you were the one making completely ignorant statements. If you don't want corrected, don't make them.
Sure I was but you didn't have to be a dick about it...I wasn't being confrontational until your last rant. Try some tact next time.
 

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Can we just hire the Swedish recycler administrators to come to America and teach/force us on how to recycle things properly? They're so effective over there with their mandated programs, that they ran out of trash in their empty landfills and are now importing other countries junk to keep their recycling power plants going.
Meh. Trumpf is repealing recycling. Hazardous waste is a myth perpetuated by The Left, and it's time to stop slowing down business.

Besides, can scientists really prove that toxic chemicals and pesticides dumped into the ground will eventually seep into the ground water and come back out of your faucet? I don't think so. Anyhoo, just buy bottled water. Evian makes a great product. Reallllly, realllllllllly graaaaaaaaate.
 
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Seriously, recycling is a complete waste of fucking time. Metals are barely worth anything to recycle. Everything else you might as well throw into a fucking volcano at this point.
 

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Can we just hire the Swedish recycler administrators to come to America and teach/force us on how to recycle things properly? They're so effective over there with their mandated programs, that they ran out of trash in their empty landfills and are now importing other countries junk to keep their recycling power plants going.
Really!, that sounds cool.. they do burn 50% of it, but supposedly very cleanly.
 

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So what is the big deal with tossing electronics in properly lined garbage dumps anyway?
I know there is all kinds of shit in electronics, but does it really leach and contaminate that bad?
Seriously asking.
Must be American.;) (sorry)

one issue is that these garbage dumps only have one way to go then, and that's growing. a dump its not a long term viable option.
recycling the materials reduce the need for new material and reduces size of space needed to store those dumps.
and that's looking aside the contamination factor
This might not seem like an important factor to the US due to the low citizen density (country wise) but nevertheless that just postponing the issues


Seriously, recycling is a complete waste of fucking time. Metals are barely worth anything to recycle. Everything else you might as well throw into a fucking volcano at this point.
correct the commodity value is pretty low but the current estimate. but it also at a low currently and is supposed to go up Q1 to Q2 next years ( of what i've heard. dont quote me)
Some e-recyclers also trying to get into more reuse rather than recycle to try to get and alternative income stream.
like we are selling used laptops with core2 CPUs for around 50 bucks

Can we just hire the Swedish recycler administrators to come to America and teach/force us on how to recycle things properly? They're so effective over there with their mandated programs, that they ran out of trash in their empty landfills and are now importing other countries junk to keep their recycling power plants going.
NO.
They puke all over the streets. Them and their spritbolaget. Take them out to town with cheap beer and all you will hear is BAAAAARRFFF BAAARRRFFF.
Hindengaard something something muble mumble because they talk without potatoes in their mouth.

no swedes are the most war hungry people in the WORLD. They have had the most wars of any existing nation with the same nation. well they are technically tied with said other nation.

And dont even get me startet on their decorative wooden horses... i don't want red horses with white and blue stripes all around every little window frame... and no its not the right colors. You might think those sound patriotic . butt noo it some fade glossy coloring that looks all wrong. i think they are trying to make them into small trojan horses.
there is a reason IKEA stands for I Kill Every American
and most of the times those horses main color is red... cause they are nothing less than some communist loving bunch of socialists.

and don get tricked by their blond hair and blue eyes smooth south shaving. they made crabs reach endangered species level. They are methodologically using sharp instruments to annihilate and entire species.
just like hittler tried with the jews...

Swedes are EVIL i tell you
 

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Must be American.;) (sorry)

one issue is that these garbage dumps only have one way to go then, and that's growing. a dump its not a long term viable option.
recycling the materials reduce the need for new material and reduces size of space needed to store those dumps.
and that's looking aside the contamination factor
This might not seem like an important factor to the US due to the low citizen density (country wise) but nevertheless that just postponing the issues




correct the commodity value is pretty low but the current estimate. but it also at a low currently and is supposed to go up Q1 to Q2 next years ( of what i've heard. dont quote me)
Some e-recyclers also trying to get into more reuse rather than recycle to try to get and alternative income stream.
like we are selling used laptops with core2 CPUs for around 50 bucks



NO.
They puke all over the streets. Them and their spritbolaget. Take them out to town with cheap beer and all you will hear is BAAAAARRFFF BAAARRRFFF.
Hindengaard something something muble mumble because they talk without potatoes in their mouth.

no swedes are the most war hungry people in the WORLD. They have had the most wars of any existing nation with the same nation. well they are technically tied with said other nation.

And dont even get me startet on their decorative wooden horses... i don't want red horses with white and blue stripes all around every little window frame... and no its not the right colors. You might think those sound patriotic . butt noo it some fade glossy coloring that looks all wrong. i think they are trying to make them into small trojan horses.
there is a reason IKEA stands for I Kill Every American
and most of the times those horses main color is red... cause they are nothing less than some communist loving bunch of socialists.

and don get tricked by their blond hair and blue eyes smooth south shaving. they made crabs reach endangered species level. They are methodologically using sharp instruments to annihilate and entire species.
just like hittler tried with the jews...

Swedes are EVIL i tell you
I went to kindergarten in Eskilstuna before the Sweds decided to become a liberal and mutlicultural utopia. For all I care they they can eat s... all day.

Sweden at war

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish–Swedish_wars


IKEA - I have first hand experience with IKEA. It's the epitome of greedy capitalism. It makes American companies look like total noobs.
 
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