Recommendations for 20" 8 Bit lcd?

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I need an 8 bit and 20"-21" LCD. I would like a widescreen but a normal AR would be fine to.
Right now im looking at-
Dell 2007WFP
Viewsonic 2025
Acer AL2051W
 
I would go with a 22 inch or higher especially with widescreen, 19 and 20 inch widescreen LCDs will offer you less vertical real estate than a standard 19 inch monitor would. 22 inch screens can be had for a great price these days often the same or less than a 20 inch with normal AR and those are not HDCP compliant or vista friendly.
 
There are no 8 bit 22" Panels except a very expensive one by EIZO. Get the Samsung 215TW. Excellent 21 inch screen for the price of 20 inch. Great reviews, ergonomics and looks.
 
Quite honestly, i would probably go with the Acer AL2051W.

Why? Because it's a great monitor for a really good price. And it's 8bit panel with really good gaming capabilities. I had (have) this monitor and also have a 20" non Widescreen HP (LP2065) and a 22" Samsung TN panel (226BW) and the list i would rate them is:

1. HP LP2065 (S-IPS panel) but non widescreen
2. Acer AL2051W (P-MVA panel); widescreen
3. Samsung 226BW (TN Panel); widescreen

The TN panel is just subpar compared to the other two. The only (very little) advantage it has is response time and honestly, i can't make out the difference between the response times. My recommendation would be a good 8bit 20" Screen. It also has a smaller Pixel Pitch, so the picture appears "sharper". Top that with better colors and better viewing angels and you have a winner.
 
I have the 20in Dell 2007fwp and before that the Dell 2005fpw and they are the best 20in monitors I have ever used. They have the high quality S-IPS panels where as all the 22inchers use crummy TN panels. The TN panels have faster response time, but I do a lot of gaming on my 20in Dells and never have seen ghosting on them. The colors are amazing on this screen and everything is razor sharp.I bought the 22in LG monitor and returned it because the colors were so off and and the extra 2inches didn't seem to work that well for a 1680x1050 resolution. The dell also gives you lots of extra inputs and the stand lets you adjust the screen however you want and you can even turn the monitor completely sideways and use it in portrait mode.
 
Dell has a panel lottery on these. You are not sure if you get a S-IPS panel anymore :(
 
Sorry, but "most" is not all. So whatever you wanna call it, you can't know for sure that you are getting an S-IPS. Would be great though. Also let's not forget that the Dell monitor is highly overpriced at this point. For the price of a new 2007FWP, you could almost buy a 24" P-MVA panel.
 
ScYcS said:
Sorry, but "most" is not all. So whatever you wanna call it, you can't know for sure that you are getting an S-IPS. Would be great though.
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Most have had success returning a bad panel and getting a S-IPS. Yeah its a hassle, but at least Dell has a decent return/replacement policy.
 
ScYcS said:
Sorry, but "most" is not all. So whatever you wanna call it, you can't know for sure that you are getting an S-IPS. Would be great though. Also let's not forget that the Dell monitor is highly overpriced at this point. For the price of a new 2007FWP, you could almost buy a 24" P-MVA panel.
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Not quite... and the 2007WFP was as low as $339 last month, which is not bad.

The NEC 20WMGX2 is widely considered the best 20" out there, but it is pricey. Also has a glossy screen which is a turn off for some. (And its ugly, imo)
 
ScYcS said:
Sorry, but "most" is not all. So whatever you wanna call it, you can't know for sure that you are getting an S-IPS. Would be great though. Also let's not forget that the Dell monitor is highly overpriced at this point. For the price of a new 2007FWP, you could almost buy a 24" P-MVA panel.
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Seven of my friends and family all own the Dell and guess what.....all S-IPS screens. They ordered at seperate times and 5 of the 7 are spread out through the US. Most purchased them within the last three months. Seems like good odds to me. People just like to blow it out of proportions, and besides the return policy is so good why not try it?
 
All three are good choices, Uberbob. The Dell has the panel lottery issue, but if you win its great. The Viewsonic is no longer in production, so you may have trouble finding a new one. The Acer is solid, but it has a glossy screen which is a very good thing to some, and a bad thing to others...nice, contrasty colors, but screen glare.

The HP LP2065 is the obvious choice if you end up going with 4:3. Remember that 20" 4:3 has more surface area than 20" widescreen, and that 1600x1200 is superior to 1680x1050 for desktop use.
 
kreidel said:
Seven of my friends and family all own the Dell and guess what.....all S-IPS screens. They ordered at seperate times and 5 of the 7 are spread out through the US. Most purchased them within the last three months. Seems like good odds to me. People just like to blow it out of proportions, and besides the return policy is so good why not try it?
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I think people just remember back to when the lottery was in full swing. There have only been a few people in the last few months to not get a S-IPS.

The lottery is definitely not a reason to not buy one.
 
kreidel said:
People just like to blow it out of proportions, and besides the return policy is so good why not try it?
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I don't think people are blowing anything out of proportion. It seemed like there were an awful lot of S-PVA's being handed out 6 months ago, if you followed the panel lottery thread. Remember that they will send you a refurbished monitor unless you send it back for a full refund and start the order process again. If I were in this situation, I'd probably try to get the Dell for under $350, and if it turned out to be S-PVA, I'd get a refund and buy a different monitor.
 
Scyles said:
I don't think people are blowing anything out of proportion. It seemed like there were an awful lot of S-PVA's being handed out 6 months ago, if you followed the panel lottery thread. Remember that they will send you a refurbished monitor unless you send it back for a full refund and start the order process again. If I were in this situation, I'd probably try to get the Dell for under $350, and if it turned out to be S-PVA, I'd get a refund and buy a different monitor.
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6 months ago, not now. Again if you read the lottery thread now, there is hardly a S-PVA to be seen.
 
Remains the price issue. A good $100 more than other 20" (P-MVA) panels (except the NEC of course). It might be worth the S-IPS but on the other hand, you could buy a Color Calibrator for that.
 
ScYcS said:
Remains the price issue. A good $100 more than other 20" panels (except the NEC of course). It might be worth the S-IPS but on the other hand, you could buy a Color Calibrator for that.
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At $399, I agree - I wouldn't buy it at that price. $339 is fair I believe, since the panel is so much nicer than most other 20" models. The question is when will it come down to that price again?
 
RWalker2 we are on the same mission... lol... best 20" 8bit. Looks like the Dell2007WFP is going to win out.... but a sale would be awesome.

Still waiting for someone to post about how compatible the dell2007wfp and xbox360 are. I don't wanna assume anything. I will be doing some graphic work and 360 gaming on the dell.

If your gaming "with a 360" on the dell2007wfp in VGA drop a post...
 
pixelperfect said:
RWalker2 we are on the same mission... lol... best 20" 8bit. Looks like the Dell2007WFP is going to win out.... but a sale would be awesome.

Still waiting for someone to post about how compatible the dell2007wfp and xbox360 are. I don't wanna assume anything. I will be doing some graphic work and 360 gaming on the dell.

If your gaming "with a 360" on the dell2007wfp in VGA drop a post...
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Indeed - I want the best all around 20" LCD...I need good movie performance, viewing angles, reasonable gaming performance, usable as a TV, and most of all, not a TN panel!
 
there are no non TN panels, if there are they are several years out of production and certainly not HDCP compliant.

Your best bet is to go with a 24 inch panel as 22 inch panels are all TN.
 
RWalker2 said:
At $399, I agree - I wouldn't buy it at that price. $339 is fair I believe, since the panel is so much nicer than most other 20" models. The question is when will it come down to that price again?
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24 inch panels run 549 to 759 sure does make an upgrade to only a 20 inch look bad, besides there are no recent 20 inch panels except widescreen ones and the widescreen panels offer less vertical real estate than a 19 inch panel.
 
conghelach said:
there are no non TN panels, if there are they are several years out of production and certainly not HDCP compliant.

Your best bet is to go with a 24 inch panel as 22 inch panels are all TN.
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and for a little more than a 24, you can get a 37 :) Where does it end...
 
conghelach said:
there are no non TN panels, if there are they are several years out of production and certainly not HDCP compliant.

Your best bet is to go with a 24 inch panel as 22 inch panels are all TN.
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Also, Eizo makes a 22" 8bit panel but its expensive.

Ummmm I asked for a 20-21" not bigger. It has to go on my corner desk with my XPS M1710. My 2707WFP and 2407WFP are on my big desk so I have no room there.
 
Justintoxicated said:
and for a little more than a 24, you can get a 37 :) Where does it end...
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Simple, it ends at 24, really this panel is quite big on a desktop I see no need to go bigger. Trouble with 22's and 20's is there arent many high quality panels, with a 20 inch widescreen you LOSE vertical viewing space over a 19 inch lcd with normal aspect ratio, with a 22 or 24 you will not lose any vertical size ( just a few millimeters with 22 and you gain vertical size with a 24).

24 inch panels have really come down in price, I highly recommend you go with a 24 you will not regret it, almost all of them have pva or P MVA even better.

I bought an LG 246wpbn 24 inch lcd for 599 at best buy, it has very nice blacks, the best I have seen on an LCD, very little and mostly even light leakage ( all lcds have leakage this one has the least that I have seen) it has very little input lag, the fastest out of all 24 inch panels and no visible ghosting, I play BF2, Starwars Battlefront and other games with no problems. It's a beautiful panel. I use the RGB setting and everything looks great. AND YES IT IS AN 8 bit panel.:D
 
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