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Razer Naga

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Ravynmagi

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I went out and picked up that Razer Naga mouse. I play mostly MMOs, so I thought all those side buttons might be pretty nice to have if I could learn to use them accurately. Seemed like it could compliment my Nostromo N52TE nicely.

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I played WOW a couple hours with a Hunter. I assigned a hotbar to the side buttons and mapped stuff like all my traps and some of my aspects to it. Then played around in the battlegrounds for a bit.

I was surprised at how quickly I was getting used to using those buttons. They were all very accessible. The main problem was just remember which ability was mapped to which button, but that'll come in time.

The buttons have a raised ridge on every other row that help your thumb find it's way around and that seemed to work pretty well.

Have to say that button grid works great...

Sadly it seems I have some issues with other parts of the mouse I wasn't expecting.

Those Back/Forward buttons on the top left edge of the mouse seemed to be slightly recessed and very difficult to use while keeping your hand on the mouse because it's difficult to not hit the left mouse button while trying to reach those Back/Forward buttons. I wished they had made these buttons slightly raised, not slightly recessed.

But probably the biggest issue is that the software/drivers do not let you program any of the buttons. The 12 button grid is mapped to the top number row 123 to 0-= of the keybard by default, with a switch to use map them to the NUM PAD instead. But those are you only options.

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You can't individually program any button on this mouse. No macros, no gaming profiles. All you can do with the software is turn the LED lights on and off and adjust the DPI and polling rate. Rather barren.

Not being able to program any button is kind of a major disappointment from an $80 mouse. I'm on the fence about returning it because of this.

And a weird thing. Those LED lights make the mouse noticably warm after a while. When I turned them off, the mouse cooled back down.

Overall. I'm pretty happy with the mouse itself, except for the Back/Forward buttons. But the software, or lack of, was a major disappointment. So I'm kinda undecided on how I feel about the mouse at the moment.


UPDATE: I've been told that Razer has released new software that improves the programmability of the mouse. Read reply #12 for more information. However I can't specifically comment on the new software since I ended up returning my Naga due to how poor the original software was.
 
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keep us updated when buttons become remappable and have macro's whatever,

been itching to buy this mouse, have used razers since boomslang/copperhead/death addler

but not gonna pay 80bucks for a wow mouse when i don't even play wow.
 
I've been debating if I should pick up a Naga for Aion and ditch my G13, n52, and n52te (bought all 3 to test with Aion). Can you describe the feel of those thumb buttons? Are the thumb buttons hard plastic or a softer rubber? Do those keys feel mushy or are they crisp and tactile?
 
sayu said:
I've been debating if I should pick up a Naga for Aion and ditch my G13, n52, and n52te (bought all 3 to test with Aion). Can you describe the feel of those thumb buttons? Are the thumb buttons hard plastic or a softer rubber? Do those keys feel mushy or are they crisp and tactile?
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The buttons are plastic with a textured surface that gives the resistance of rubber. The buttons are quite good and do have a crisp tactile feel.

The second and fourth rows have a raise ridge at the bottom edge of the keys which helps me know where I am. So I generally center my thumb on the "5" key and have real easy access to the 1 through 6 keys. Also the 10 through 12 keys at the bottom are also quite easy to use as I can feel their ridge with my thumb joint and press on them with it.

The third row, 7 through 9, requires me to arch my thumb up a little to reach down and get those, so are the least accessible of the 12.

But overall I'm surprisingly impressed with how well done the 12 keys are done. I was really expecting more difficulty using them.

Right now my biggest problem though is more to do with just getting used to the general shape of the Razer mouse. I've used Logitech for probably two decades and have really become used to the palm fitting shape that the G5 and several previous generations have been using. It's a little difficult to adjust to the smaller lower profile size that most Razer mice use.
 
Fantastic idea in theory, but I just can't imagine myself ever needing it. MMO gaming or not...
 
Ravynmagi, I purchased it as well, do you have problems getting it to work with the numpad? Mine doesn't always want to do it, so I have mapped to my number buttons right now. It would be much more useful to have mapped to something other than those though...
 
No, haven't had that problem. I use the NUM toggle and it has worked fine in WOW. Though I think I need to have the NUMLOCK turned on on the keyboard for this to work.
 
Yea, I got it working sort of but some of the buttons don't work sometimes. I will have to look into it more. Thanks!
 
hands down worth it. i dont play much MMO's and it was a giant leap for me to spend that much on a mouse. Nevertheless it was a step up from my old school laser mouse so i took her for a test drive. DPI is fantastic and the side buttons are very comfortable to use once you use the trainers and get used to them. It does take some gameplay to figure out where your thumb is, as well as time to become proficient with it, but it is so worth it. I own in most PVP now simply due to my left hand being free to move around. RECOMMEND TO ANYONE/EVERYONE. When im just running around doing misc stuff in game my left hand is free to multitask and do whatever i want. Seriously worth a try. I LOVE IT...i do recommend you use the trainers that come with it though they help out alot. I have had mine for 2 weeks now and have just removed the trainers and the mouse became even better more fluent and mindless
 
I posted this in a thread in the [H]otdeals subforum and thought I would come here and post it since it ended up rather long. Important to note that the software does support macros now.

My 20 page opinion:

I just got one of these last week since my fairly new g500 went dead (probably my fault). I also have a Sidewinder, MX Revolution, mx518(I think) and more for comparison.

I don't play any MMO's but I still love love love this mouse. Being able to directly pick weapons in shooters, using abilities in Torchlight (pretty MMO like), and issuing commands in Mount and Blade. The thing that surprised me the most is that this mouse is not very large, I had expected with all of the buttons it would have been huge. The fit is great for me (for ref I'm 6 foot,9-10 size shoe so probably above average size hands, not huge). The way you hold this mouse makes me feel like I have better control than with the sidewinder or g500. It kind of feels in size and shape like if you took the super common dell(I think logitech made) mouse with wheel and put a bump under your hand so your thumb could rest on the side.If you like to put your middle finger on the wheel/middle click I find that position can be kind of hard to do comfortably with this mouse, or at the very least greatly changes which buttons are hard/easy to get to.

Instead of having a couple little feet on the bottom the slidey stuff is on almost the entire bottom of the mouse and it makes a huge difference in its stability and ability to slide. I often wear through feet so this is a huge improvement for me. I switched from the Sidewinder since there just weren't enough buttons on it that could be programmed and while the g500 was a big improvement this is a whole new world, and the buttons aren't really harder to reach then on that mouse. I think its actually nice that some of the buttons can be made a little bit out of reach so I can set them to things like alt-f4 to close programs or something like self destruct/eject in a game and can worry less about accidentally pressing them.

The mouse wheel doesn't go left or right which could be a pro or con depending on preference, normally I would consider this a con since I feel like the g500 pulled this off fairly well, but still would accidentally get pressed often, but with so many other buttons on the mouse I think that making the scroll wheel and middle click better was the right choice. I will really miss the Revolution style ability to make the wheel freespin or racheting/clicky.

I like that I can have buttons dedicated to DPI up and down and not feel like I'm wasting precious buttons (and most mice don't allow toggling speeds so it uses at least two). This mouse allows you to not only go up and down preset speeds but you can set a button that lets you increase/decrease the dpi with the mouse wheel while its held down, I wish that you could go through preselects this way also.

Whle the software has improved a lot based on what I have read in early reviews it could still probably use a little bit of work since I don't think you can set a key and a modifier without creating a macro (like ctrl-c for copy etc). There are a decent amount of macro presets that can help you quickly add a lot of the most used commands but you still need to select the preselect and then create the macro which is kind of weird, you would think you could just pick them from the assignment screen. Its really not much worse or better than the Logitech software and is certainly less silly then the fact that with a g500 and a g13, two devices not only from the same manufacture, but in the same product line and released near each other. I had to use two different software with their own set of macros created in different ways.

This mouse is great when I want to surf around a little bit and lean back with the keyboard just out of reach since I can set it up to do a lot of the tasks I would have to go to the keyboard or menus for before like close tab, fullscreen, change window, close window, cut, copy, paste, undo etc.
You can select between two different "banks" with a toggle on the bottom of the mouse (1-9 area or Numpad by default) and can set certain buttons to switch profiles which allows for a lot of advanced options for people who REALLY need a lot of macros.
 
I've been using this mouse since it came out and have had zero issues with it at all. I use it in conjunction with a Logitech G13. Killer combo.:D
 
I just picked it up from Fry's.
Quick first impression, it is WAY slimmer than I thought it would be the size is perfect. I updated the firmware and installed the latest drivers BUT my button mappings aren't working.
Anything I set to the side buttons, I can't get them to work. Forward/Backward, Sensitivity, profile switching. nothing :(
I'll keep messing with it.

Also, totally not used to the default location for forward/backwards.

EDIT: Button mappings now working after reboot. Its a shame this mouse didn't have synaspe.
 
Roliath said:
I just picked it up from Fry's.
Also, totally not used to the default location for forward/backwards.
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Yeah by default they are placed where most mice would have the DPI Up and DPI Down mapped. I think they are put where they are so that you don't accidentally hit them. I did like how they were pretty easy to press on the G500 because I could set them to triple tap or rapid fire and not throw off my aim much, but both mice are so easy to click fast (even more so when I've played the same games on 360) that I don't need that very often.

Does anyone know where you can get material like they use for the little sticky plastic things to put on the side buttons to use as a learning key? I'm guess they are normally sold as no slip/no scratch feet for things? I liked to use ones a bit larger on my Sidewinders left click button. If you are feeling like a bad person I'm guessing the little ones that come with it are the perfect size for putting on your screen for games that don't have a crosshair :) I only used them for a little bit because I think its easier to hit the front three column without moving your thumb foward or backwards without them, which was the point of the Sidewinder mice putting the buttons above and below instead of front and back.
 
Originally the mouse could only use the numeric buttons for the side pad. Just picked one up from fry's so I am curious if they made the buttons able to be programmed more than just numbers.

EDIT: Yes you go into the software and click which button you want to assign a key from the keyboard to. This is quite awesome for using Autocad, as you can get away without using a keyboard most of the time.
 
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Yeah, picked one up too. Sounds like their version 2.0 software/"driver" allows all sorts of programability.

Reading between the lines... it sounds like they held back that functionality so that the mouse wouldn't get banned from World of Warcraft. But... who knows why (maybe after assurances from MMOG's or complaints from reviewers), they finally upgraded the software to achieve it's potential.
 
I don't really understand why the top side buttons were placed in the position they are in. It's not a very natural way to move the finger to push those. Also this mouse is so tiny. I want the functions of this mouse on my deathadder! I love how this mouse's feet is just one big circle.

I immediately updated the mouse firmware and downloaded the current software.

BTW Fry's in Burbank still has some on sale, and a couple returns that are $56.99.
 
travanx said:
Originally the mouse could only use the numeric buttons for the side pad. Just picked one up from fry's so I am curious if they made the buttons able to be programmed more than just numbers.

EDIT: Yes you go into the software and click which button you want to assign a key from the keyboard to. This is quite awesome for using Autocad, as you can get away without using a keyboard most of the time.
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That's awesome news. I'm now tempted to get this mouse, but am still somewhat hesitant due to Razer's infamous quality issues (even though my DeathAdder has treated me well). Should an issue arise, their support <<<<<<<<<< Logitech's. I guess it's a gamble. If I could pick this up for $40 or less I'd probably bite.

Good thread, though! Originally, I thought this mouse would be useless for anyone who didn't play MMOs. Now, knowing that the mouse is comparable in size to the DA and that other keys can be assigned to the buttons, my interest in it has increased substantially. :)
 
Also you can record a macro and assign that macro to the buttons, which I haven't seen mentioned anywhere! And the profile can be assigned per .EXE file. So literally I don't have to touch the keyboard while using autocad except to input a number if needed. Imagine being able to save a Word document with the click of a button.
 
One thing that I don't like is no game detection, is there a way to have a profile set in windows/desktop and when I open a game it "forgets" any settings I set?
 
Was just wondering if someone could comment (with the latest Drivers/Software) if I am able to set different Hotkeys/Bars within World of Warcraft to the 12 buttons on the Mouse itself?

For example, my current Hotbar in WoW I want to continue using 1-+ on the Keyboard, but want to create a hidden Hotbar (using Bartender/Domino) to use for the buttons on the Mouse.

This possible?
 
VenomousDesigns said:
Was just wondering if someone could comment (with the latest Drivers/Software) if I am able to set different Hotkeys/Bars within World of Warcraft to the 12 buttons on the Mouse itself?

For example, my current Hotbar in WoW I want to continue using 1-+ on the Keyboard, but want to create a hidden Hotbar (using Bartender/Domino) to use for the buttons on the Mouse.

This possible?
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Yes it's possible.

You can map any key or combination of keys (like Shift-1, etc.) to the 1 through 12 buttons on the mouse.
 
All those side buttons are just a mapped keyboard key. To make it easy, say you stick with the default 1 through "+" numerical keys above the letters.

In WoW, you would remap extra hotkeys past the default 1 through "+" barrier as alt+1, alt+2, etc or ctrl+1, ctrl + 2, etc or shift + 1, shift + 2, etc.

Basically, you access extra bars buy holding down ctrl or alt or shift and pressing the corresponding number on the mouse. So just by using the WASD keys for movement, you have extreme ease of access to at least 3 rows of hotkey/bars with pretty much no movement away from the WASD keys.
 
Can you create a macro that holds down a button until you press it again? (Called a latched macro?)

So I could press a button and it would repeat the macro until I pressed the button once more....if so I'm getting this tonight!
 
bump... I need an answer to the posted above me. tempted to pick one up to go with my n52te for Mult-Boxing
 
Sorry, as of now, they don't support latched macros. *rolls eyes*

I had this mouse for 2 weeks and returned it. The buttons are far too hard to push for me, and not convenient (no latched macros???? WTF)

For autocad and all that, it's nice, and for browsing the web, it was REALLY nice, but for gaming it fell far short of what I needed to play PWI. The mouse itself as well could have been designed with the grip you would have to have in mind - instead of having the right and left click where they are, it would have made much more sense (and less strain) on the thumb to have those buttons where the pinky rest is. If that would have been like that, the buttons for the thumb would be easy to press and the reach would have been great. Unfortunately for NAGA and us they will not do this because it would be money out of their pocket designing a new case for a mouse. Razer just reuses the old mouse styles over and over. They are not comfortable at all. Oh well, back to the drawing board for me.

Also the scroll wheel was not oiled correctly, started squeaking and sticking, and while I liked the wheel, I have seen that happen on other Razer mice. I got a Logitech G500 gaming mouse instead and it's doing great.
 
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