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Razer Diamondback Thoughts/Mini-Review

dderidex

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Well, just got this mouse today and have had some time to play around with it.

As to the install...

Well, I wouldn't call it "smooth". I mean, anyone with half a brain who has *ever* swapped out a graphics card will be able to handle this, but it was a little more than typical for a mouse. I mean, with the Intellimouse in my wife's PC, you just plug the mouse in, install the drivers, and you are done.

Not so with this mouse.
  • First, plug it in. Now, Windows will detect a new USB mouse and install the wrong drivers for you. Wonderful.
  • Anyway, now you run the Razer Diamondback setup program. This sets your system up to use the Diamondback drivers, and installs the "Razer Diamond HID". You'll need to reboot.
  • Once the system comes back up, you need to tell it you have a Razer mouse (now that the interface has been installed to control it). Go to device manager, select the mouse under "Mice and Other Pointing Devices" and update driver. You'll need to manually define the driver to use (it won't find it - it'll keep using the standard MS driver) from the Razer install directory.
  • Once that's done, launch the Razer control panel from your start menu and you are done! (This program will automatically start from this point on).

Like I said, it's a LOT like installing a new graphics card. Guess it comes with the territory with high precision devices.

Anyway, the next thing to do is update your USB drivers to get maximum performance. Even if you've done this before, you'll need to do it again, as the Razer install process over-writes the patched files. This patch works wonders:
Utility to patch your USB report rate. You'll need to reboot after applying it. Do note that ONLY the Razer Diamondback supports 1000hz report rate - if you try doing that with a Logitech mouse, your USB devices will likely stop working (and you'll need to reinstall your mobo drivers to fix it). Logitech mice should work up to 500hz report rate. And while the MX1000 can be SET to report at 500hz....it's kinda pointless to, as the mouse only reports to its base station at 125hz.

Utility to test the patch to make sure it worked. Just zip the cursor around in circles inside the box, and it will report the mouse's response rate.

On my nForce2 Ultra 400 system, the 1000hz report rate update works beautifully. The mouse moves noticeably more smoothly and is definitely more 'responsive' when doing rapid movement changes. For comparison, while "stock" is 125hz - I could only get the Razer Boomslang 2100dpi up to 500hz report rate successfully, and the Microsoft Intellimouse 4.0 up to 250hz on my system.

As to the mouse itself...

First off, the new optical sensor that Razer is using is brilliant. Tom's Hardware had an article on the mouse where they draw attention to the new sensor. While it has the same megapixel detection as the Logitech MX mice, the sensor has been redesigned to report that more accurately. And the mouse DEFINITELY feels it.

The large buttons are very responsive, and the side buttons...well...work.

The mouse itself is VERY light - weighing in at a mere 3.5 ounces. Compare that to 6 ounces of the MX1000 and 4.3oz for the MX510. It's nice.

And, now for some opinions...

The Good:
  • Looks *sweet*. I got the "Chameleon Green" model. Tried taking a picture of it over and over, and I just *can't* manage to capture the colors on it. Best I can manage is below, but it really doesn't catch the colors right.
  • It is very precise. I was worried coming from the 2100dpi Boomslang that the 1600dpi Diamondback wouldn't be enough (I use both at their maximum precision). Well....no worries, it's fine. Maybe it helped that I had been using my Boomslang at only 80% precision for the past week to get used to the lower value - dunno. Either way, it's all good. Very nice accuracy.
  • No cleaning! The reason I moved off the Boomslang - cleaning the damn ball. No ball, less cleaning - cool.
  • Like the scroll wheel better than the Boomslang's. More resistance, less "clicky".
  • Very, very light. Easy to move mouse, can whip it around with virtually no effort. Obviously no added weights (and no battery weight - LOL). With Teflon feet, it's a dream to use.
Unfortunately, there are some pretty substantial gripes:
  • The side buttons really are kinda sucky. Rather....I mean, they SUCK. At least, coming from the Boomslang. They are about the same usability as the Logitech side buttons, which I can't stand. Actually, damn near EXACTLY the same usability as the Logitech MX side buttons. Too small and hard to use for my thumb and pinky. The MS Intellimouse (despite all its many flaws - and there are many!) has better side buttons than this, and, needless to say, the Boomslang was in a class of its own for side-button usability.
  • Mouse is too small. Again, it's about the size of the Logitech MX mice, which is simply too small for my taste. After being used to the Boomslang, it feels like I have to curl my hand around it, and I fear my palm will be cramping up after a while. Or not, hard to say at this point.
Overall....I'm indifferent. It's definately better than the Logitech MX mice I've used in EVERY area, definately better than the MS Intellimouse, but definately.....neither better or worse than the Boomslang.

The lack of having to clean it every day and the lighter weight and reduced friction are GREAT new features that almost exactly make up for the harder to use side buttons* and too-small size. So, it's sort of a wash. I don't regret "upgrading" to it, in the end it IS generally preferable to the Boomslang.....but I'm very clearly going to be waiting with baited breath for the Boomslang 2 to replace this one with.

* EDIT: Update on the side buttons. I've been tinkering with the Razer control panel and have come up with a workable solution that actually has me liking them now:
Update said:
What I found was that the "default" mapping for them...well, kinda sucks. Each side of the mouse has a 'rocker' on it to hit the buttons - rock forward for one button, rock back for the other. Which works fine, in theory, except they mapped the explorer "forward" and "back" functions to the 'rock forward' of the *two opposite sides*!

Now, on the Boomslang, this was fine - each side of the mouse only HAD one button, so it was no big deal. With this mouse, that doesn't make sense. And you can't map the 'rock back' button on either side to "Win2000 control"!

I was frustrated by that for a moment, until I remembered some Windows hotkeys. The Razer control panel allows you to program keystrokes and macros to *any* button, and fairly elaborate ones, too. For those not in the know, [Alt]-[Left Arrow] is the "explorer back" function and [Alt]-[Right Arrow] is the "explorer forward" function. So I just used the macro capability to map the 'forward' and 'back' rocker positions on the left side to be the browser 'forward' and 'back' so it works exactly like a Logitech or MS mouse in that way.

(Actually, I mapped the left rocker "forward" to "Advanced" - it has two modes. The first is the "On-the-Fly Sensitivity" and the second is the "explorer forward" function. If I hold the button down, I can use the scroll wheel to adjust the mouse sensitivity 'on-the-fly', and if I just press the button down it serves as the IE function.)

Needless to say, while many advocate not installing the driver on Logitech or MS mice, to not do that for Razer mice is suicide. The driver actually exposes the mouse's full functionality, and really opens up a world of customization options to you.

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The Razer press image definately catches the "look" of the mouse better:

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Nice review man. :)

I've been wanting to check one of these out. I mean, what's another $10 over a normal logitech brand optical mouse? I have no qualms with that.

>>edit<<

Eek, wrong price I was thinking of. Still though, for a hardcore gamer, thats still not THAT bad.
 
dderidex said:
Well, just got this mouse today and have had some time to play around with it.

Wait, you just got it today? Then why all the hooplah and incorrect data in this thread ?

/me smells a Razer sales guy in sheeps clothing...

Nice review, though.

Don

(Disclaimer: I actually like Razer mice. But buyer beware, read the other thread...)
 
onethumb said:
Wait, you just got it today? Then why all the hooplah and incorrect data in this thread ?

/me smells a Razer sales guy in sheeps clothing...
I was posting mostly from comments on reviewers on other forums - Anandtech, Futuremark, Gamespot, etc. I never said *I* had firsthand experience with the Diamondback.

I HAVE had firsthand experience with the Boomslang, though - that's what I've been using for several months now with great enthusiasm. And I used the USB port update to increase the response time to 500hz (its limit) over the default 125hz. And that was nice. But 1000hz is nicer! And now I'm not just posting what a few dozen other gamers have said. Firsthand experience is that 500hz is nicer than 125hz (I could never stand a 125hz mouse at ALL)....but 1000hz is nicer yet!
 
Bump for updated comments on those side buttons based on more usage.
 
dreadster said:
I think I'll buy one and them make a review with my Icemat black 2nd ed, I hope the DBs sensor is good enough and it will have no problems with this cool surface.
As you can see from the pic, that's what I'm using, and I'm definately having no problems with it at all.
 
You're saying the Diamondback mouse is about the same size as the MX? Isn't the Razer Viper much smaller? If so, then damn, this is good news for me! :eek: I hardly got used to the Viper due to the extreme small size. :/

-J.
 
onethumb said:
Wait, you just got it today? Then why all the hooplah and incorrect data in this thread ?

/me smells a Razer sales guy in sheeps clothing...

Nice review, though.

Don

(Disclaimer: I actually like Razer mice. But buyer beware, read the other thread...)


haha pwned!
 
fazzman said:
haha pwned!
Not if you read my reply. :rolleyes:
GeForceX said:
You're saying the Diamondback mouse is about the same size as the MX? Isn't the Razer Viper much smaller? If so, then damn, this is good news for me! I hardly got used to the Viper due to the extreme small size. :/
The Razer Viper *is* smaller.

Take a look at this picture and this picture.

And it's one of those things that the "feel" of things is more sensitive than what you'd think looking at the pictures. The Diamondback is longer, little wider, and has a much more pronounced 'bulge' on the back.

This picture shows one against an Intellimouse Explorer - so you can see they are nearly the same size.

And here is a picture of one next to a Logitech MX mouse and another against the Viper showing the more pronounced "bulge".
 
Yeah but does it SKIP like the original viper?

I bought that mouse.... TRIED to use it for about 1-2 hours but couldn't because it skipped too much. So I RMA'ed it the next day for a refund.

How's this mouse ?
 
No, this uses a completely different sensor than the Viper. Higher resolution sensor, redesigned optics, and more than 1.5x the precision.

I've not used the Viper, so cannot give personal experience - but many users on the Futuremark forums who upgraded from a Viper to a Diamondback have reported this problem gone.

And I've certainly never noticed any skipping with it in my usage.
 
I have to agree, this is the slickest mouse I've ever had. Been using the MX500 and MX1000 recently, then I got the Diamondback. Ooooh it's soo smooth and precise.
 
Sigh, Terratec keeps taking my money.

*Just ordered one from NewEgg...*

-J.
 
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