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Razer DeathAdder

Jodiuh said:
It doesn't. But I need to get used to the hump or...or I don't know what I'll do!
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Is the shape of the DeathAdder similar to that of the Microsoft Optical Wheel Mouse? I hate using mice which don't support my palm but, instead, just allow you to have your fingers on the mouse with the rest of your hand floating. Is your palm in contact with the "hump"?
 
I have to revise my previous opinion of the Death Adder. While I still think the sensor is the best on the market, I just can't get used to its giant hump. I have somewhat short fingers and I very much prefer smaller mice. I also get more control when I use my fingers, as opposed to resting my entire palm on the mouse. I thought I could get used to the DA, but after a few days it's just not happening. Whenever I try to "finger" the mouse down (towards me), the hump gets in the way.

If they ever put that G-sensor in a Copperhead or even Diamondback shell, it could seriously be the best mouse ever created. But their desire to emulate a more passive design like Microsoft uses has ruined it.... at least for me.

Great mouse, but just not for me. Taking it back.
 
Mansize_tissue said:
I hate using mice which don't support my palm but, instead, just allow you to have your fingers on the mouse with the rest of your hand floating. Is your palm in contact with the "hump"?
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You're like the opposite of me. As I just posted, I think the Death Adder is very much a "palm" mouse... much like the Logitech MX mice or G5. So I think you'd like the DA.

The hump on the DA is so pronounced that if your palm doens't come in contact with it, you got some seriously huge man-hands.
 
PoweredBySoy said:
You're like the opposite of me. As I just posted, I think the Death Adder is very much a "palm" mouse... much like the Logitech MX mice or G5. So I think you'd like the DA.

The hump on the DA is so pronounced that if your palm doens't come in contact with it, you got some seriously huge man-hands.
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Hmm, the thing is my hands are pretty small, and my fingers aren't exactly long, so i'm thinking that the DeathAdder might not be what i'm looking for.

Would you mind taking a look at this thread. The mouse pictured is the exact shape i'm looking for in a mouse, due to the medium sized bump at the middle/back of the mouse. I think it is the kind of mouse most people would just use their fingers on and have the rest of their hand floating in the air; only, since my hands are small and the raised area at the back, i can rest my palm on it.

Is this a similar shape to the Diamondback? I just can't stand flat mice which don't allow you to rest your palm on them; and due to the size of the DeathAdder (compared to my hands), i really hope the Diamond back is slightly raised like the one shown in that thread.
 
Mansize_tissue said:
Would you mind taking a look at this thread. The mouse pictured is the exact shape i'm looking for in a mouse, due to the medium sized bump at the middle/back of the mouse. I think it is the kind of mouse most people would just use their fingers on and have the rest of their hand floating in the air; only, since my hands are small and the raised area at the back, i can rest my palm on it.

Is this a similar shape to the Diamondback? I just can't stand flat mice which don't allow you to rest your palm on them; and due to the size of the DeathAdder (compared to my hands), i really hope the Diamond back is slightly raised like the one shown in that thread.
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Yep, that's the typical shell Logitech uses for their 'ambidextrous' mice. If that's the size/shape you're looking for, then I would try out the Logitech G1 or G3. I was actually just using a G3 until my cat chewed through the cord. I would have gotten another one, since I was pretty happy with it... but I decided to venture out and continue my quest for the perfect mouse.

G3

G1


I'm not the biggest fan of laser mice, so I'd recommend the G1. But that's only if you can live without any side buttons. I, for one, could not.

I'd say those Logitechs have a roughly similar size and shape to the Diamondbacks, yes. They're small and shallow... which I would consider finger mice, but if it's more comfortable for you to palm them, then more power to ya. What I really hate about Diamondbacks though are their shitty drivers. Oh, and their side buttons are crap too.

I would say Razers' best ergonomics would go to the Copperhead. That mouse has an awesome feel and solid buttons. But Razer laser mice are horrid for low sensitivity gamers. Any fast movement will cause negative acceleration. I had some firmware drama with mine as well.

If you're able to, just keep going to a local Best Buy or Circuit City to buy a mouse. If you don't like it, return it. I've bought and returned many mice.
 
PoweredBySoy said:
Yep, that's the typical shell Logitech uses for their 'ambidextrous' mice. If that's the size/shape you're looking for, then I would try out the Logitech G1 or G3. I was actually just using a G3 until my cat chewed through the cord. I would have gotten another one, since I was pretty happy with it... but I decided to venture out and continue my quest for the perfect mouse.
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Yeah, the G1 and G3 are the perfect shape, only they're lacking in features.

PoweredBySoy said:
I'm not the biggest fan of laser mice, so I'd recommend the G1. But that's only if you can live without any side buttons. I, for one, could not.
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I feel the same; laser mice have always seemed less accurate and jumpy when compared to optical mice that i've used. Side buttons are a must for the next mouse i'd buy.

PoweredBySoy said:
I'd say those Logitechs have a roughly similar size and shape to the Diamondbacks, yes. They're small and shallow... which I would consider finger mice, but if it's more comfortable for you to palm them, then more power to ya. What I really hate about Diamondbacks though are their shitty drivers. Oh, and their side buttons are crap too.
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The Diamondback/Copperhead do seem a bit shallower, though, than the logitech mouse i pictured previously. This is why i'm weary of getting one. If they had descent side buttons which were ergonomically positioned, however, i could see myself getting one and trying it.

PoweredBySoy said:
I would say Razers' best ergonomics would go to the Copperhead. That mouse has an awesome feel and solid buttons. But Razer laser mice are horrid for low sensitivity gamers. Any fast movement will cause negative acceleration. I had some firmware drama with mine as well.
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I'm a medium/high sensitivity player anyway so this isn't really an issue. Would you suggest the Diamondback over the Copperhead, being a fan of optical sensors?

PoweredBySoy said:
If you're able to, just keep going to a local Best Buy or Circuit City to buy a mouse. If you don't like it, return it. I've bought and returned many mice.
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Unfortunately, i live in the UK and there are no stores around with descent mice to try out (or even buy, for that matter).

I'm also fond of the shape of the Microsoft Basic Optical Mouse (oops, i should have really hosted that myself), since it allows me to rest my palm on it. But, unfortunately, there are no gaming mice which are of a similar shape. Meh, i i'll probably just end up getting a Logitech G5 like everyone else (well, not everyone..) and just get used to it; it's a similar shape to the mouse i'm using at the moment, albeit a little bigger. I just wish there was a gaming mouse that was the right shape for me.
 
Mansize_tissue said:
I'm a medium/high sensitivity player anyway so this isn't really an issue. Would you suggest the Diamondback over the Copperhead, being a fan of optical sensors?
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It's tough to say, since mouse preference is so subjective... but from everything you wrote, I would maybe say go for the Copperhead. The shape, buttons and drivers are much more refined than the Diamondback. It's a great mouse in that regard. And if you're a high-sensitivity gamer you probably won't even notice any of the Copperheads negative accel.

Just order from a place you can easily return to. Shipping costs will suck, but it's better than being stuck with a mouse you're not happy with.

Good luck.
 
Just ordered one of these from Dell for $10(Have a stash of coupons from work). My MX310 is crapping out :(

I had a Diamondback previously, which I liked alot. After 2 years of heavy use it started doing a double-click on a single click. Hopefully this mouse lasts just as long.

What is the verdict anyway? This a good mouse for low sens players?
 
strend said:
Just ordered one of these from Dell for $10(Have a stash of coupons from work). My MX310 is crapping out :(

I had a Diamondback previously, which I liked alot. After 2 years of heavy use it started doing a double-click on a single click. Hopefully this mouse lasts just as long.

What is the verdict anyway? This a good mouse for low sens players?
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I am a low sensitivity gamer and I absolutely love it.
 
PoweredBySoy said:
The Death Adder? It's probably the best mouse on the market for low sensitivity.
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Great to hear, thanks.

I remember someone posted some time ago a list of many mice being tested at varying speeds (Guy used a rotating mouse pad). Any one have the link to that?

Also, what's this "Negative Accel" that was mentioned? Is it common with laser mice?
 
strend said:
Also, what's this "Negative Accel" that was mentioned? Is it common with laser mice?
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Basically, the faster you move your mouse across the pad, the less movement is transferred on screen. I found the Copperhead to suffer greatly from this, even after the firmware update. But really, this only becomes an issue for people that play with low sensitivity and do large, fast sweeping movements. People that play with higher sensitivities on little rinky-dink mouse pads probably wouldn't even notice it.

The Logitech lasers, G5 or G3, or even the Creative 2020 as I'm using now, perform much better in this regard. But even those start to skip at high speeds.

As far as I could tell, the Death Adder was 100% accurate no matter how much I tried to abuse it. Optical rules.

I use a QcK+ mouse pad.
 
strend said:
I remember someone posted some time ago a list of many mice being tested at varying speeds (Guy used a rotating mouse pad). Any one have the link to that?
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Is this what you're after?

PoweredBySoy, i think i prefer the shape of the Diamondback/Copperhead mice over that of any other since it's most similar to that old Logitech mouse of mine. However, it seems the Copperhead is a little taller than the Diamondback, which is both good and bad. Good, because it means it's more like the shape of the Logitech mouse (with the hump at the back to rest my palm on); but bad, because the Diamondback (which i prefer out of the 2 due to its optical sensor) is shallow.

It seems i'll have to go against my ache to revert back to optical and just get the Copperhead. Although, i'm not liking the reports that no 2 buttons can be pressed at the same time; do you know anything about this?

Here you can see the height difference between the Copperhead and Diamondback:


It's also mentioned here, along with the problem when pressing 2 buttons simultaneously.
 
Just picked up the DA toninght from my local BB.. last one on the shelf. :) I already like the feel of it over the habu quite a bit.. color me happy.. so far. :)
 
Well, for one, the side buttons do not feel like they're modular. :D It's been too long, so I can't remember if the mouse clicked or not, but the DA has more of a free wheeler. (good for guys that use #'s for weapons and prefer to fly through web pages)

It seems I've gotten over the odd hump and now there's just no turning back as I find myself more accurate in every game and especially running around in Windows. ;)
 
well, now I can after playing with it for a coupe, of hours... the tracking is for sure smoother.. the over-all sensitivity is a little lower, but that is fine.. the precision is much higher.. the "feel" of the mouse in my hands is more natural also.. just a little, but enough to make a difference.. also the chord is smaller (not shorter, longer in fact by a foot) and more nimble so when I take my hand off the mouse the mouse stays in place.. the chord on the Habu was sort of stiff and the it would pull the mouse back to the chords resting place sometimes.. which I didn't like.. anyways.. so far I can't find anything bad to say about it at all. yay for that!
 
^^ first mouse of mine where the cord didn't have a mind of its own
 
revenant said:
well, now I can after playing with it for a coupe, of hours... the tracking is for sure smoother.. the over-all sensitivity is a little lower, but that is fine.. the precision is much higher.. the "feel" of the mouse in my hands is more natural also.. just a little, but enough to make a difference.. also the chord is smaller (not shorter, longer in fact by a foot) and more nimble so when I take my hand off the mouse the mouse stays in place.. the chord on the Habu was sort of stiff and the it would pull the mouse back to the chords resting place sometimes.. which I didn't like.. anyways.. so far I can't find anything bad to say about it at all. yay for that!
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how does the weight compare to the habu's? i noticed the habu was heavier than the 3.0 and a bit thicker too and the lift off is horrible =/
 
It's a little lighter, which is fine.. it glides ever so nicely acorss my razer pad.. yes, the shape of the two is 90% the same, but the DA just has a few extra ergo curves which sort of ice the cake more nicely for me than the Habu did.. specifically, the "button valley" it more pronounced, so my fingers come to rest right in the middle of the buttons, I think the top is a tiny bit more "hill like" and the thumb area seems more indented.. making it a more perfect fit for my hand.. I can take some side-by-side shots tonight or something if people want me to..

PS: the wheel feels exactly the same as the Habu.. which is fine.. I liked the wheel on the Habu a lot.. the buttons on the DA have a slightly larger click sweep, but the click seems to require less pressure..
 
have you used the intelli 3.0 before? if so, how does the DA's body and weight compare to it?
 
Yes, I have my original IE3 here at my work desk now.. the da is very similar in shape.. just a little lighter..
 
damn, you cant get much lighter than the 3.0, the habu was alot heavier but seems much more solid than the 3.0
 
hrm... well, my circa 1999 IE3.0 feels pretty solid to me.. it's been my faithful work mouse for 8 years now.. crazy long time for a tool you use virtually every day! it feels about the same weight as the da... very close to.. tough to say for sure because I am not totally used to the da yet... and I wasn't thinking about it's weight.. i'll check that more tonight.
 
with this mouse I am trying to rest my palm on the hump.. I end up hovering some, but also not. because it fits so nicely I am really trying to actively rest my palm down on it.. I'll try and get some good angles and shoot them next to the same object as a point of reference..
 
revenant said:
with this mouse I am trying to rest my palm on the hump.. I end up hovering some, but also not. because it fits so nicely I am really trying to actively rest my palm down on it.. I'll try and get some good angles and shoot them next to the same object as a point of reference..
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Thanks, man. Have you used a Copperhead, Diamondback or G5/MX518? If so, how would you compare them to the DA?
 
I had a copperhead a while back... er, wait, which is the older version diamondback or copperhead? I had the older one.. I could't get over how bad the drivers were at the time so I got a G7 and was on that for a long while.. I have an actively use an mx510 which I think is the same as the 518 bodywise.. the da is just a little smaller I think.. but feels equally as nice in my hand.. I do like my mx510 a lot.. it's got a very easy to use classic feel like my old ie3. The sensitivity seems better on the da (than the 510) and yet it's tracking remains incredibly precise.. I guess that 3G sensor is actually very good.. I had my doubts, but the lift skip is gone and the tracking accuracy is soooo nimble.. the Habu had a sort of abrasive feel to it's tracking where the da has a much softer feel, yet not sloppy at all.. does that make sense?

at this point I need to mess with it some more now that I have thought about what I want to test/verify more of. :)
 
Mansize_tissue said:
Thanks, man. Have you used a Copperhead, Diamondback or G5/MX518? If so, how would you compare them to the DA?
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I had all those above. If i would have to characterize the DA, it would be the following:

- better sensor than all of the others
- Design is somewhat of a middle ground between a Copperhead and a G5
- Overall the best mouse i've ever used. Period. Not only for games, but also everyday work.

If i had to rate them all, it would be:

1. DA
2. Diamondback
3. MX518
4. G5/Copperhead
 
revenant said:
I had a copperhead a while back... er, wait, which is the older version diamondback or copperhead? I had the older one.. I could't get over how bad the drivers were at the time so I got a G7 and was on that for a long while.. I have an actively use an mx510 which I think is the same as the 518 bodywise.. the da is just a little smaller I think.. but feels equally as nice in my hand.. I do like my mx510 a lot.. it's got a very easy to use classic feel like my old ie3. The sensitivity seems better on the da (than the 510) and yet it's tracking remains incredibly precise.. I guess that 3G sensor is actually very good.. I had my doubts, but the lift skip is gone and the tracking accuracy is soooo nimble.. the Habu had a sort of abrasive feel to it's tracking where the da has a much softer feel, yet not sloppy at all.. does that make sense?

at this point I need to mess with it some more now that I have thought about what I want to test/verify more of. :)
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hrm, how could the DA be smaller than the 510 if it has a similar body to the 3.0? the 510/518 both seem alot smaller than the 3.0
 
ok, I had to take these fast but hopefully it will help a little.. the 510 next to the Habu.. the 510 fills the pocket of my hand more.. feels taller through a larger area of the body of the mouse to me, more dome-like.. but they're very close in size also.. the ass end of it tapers off more drastically than the habu or the da.. the 510 and the Habu are similar in weight.. the da is slightly lighter than them.. the 510 feels "chunkier" in my hand then the habu or da.. I guess that's why I called it bigger..


The da vs the habu.. upon closer inspection side by side, the they're closer in shape than I thought, but the peak if the top of the da seems more pronounced to me.. it's button valleys are also more pronounced and it feels slightly more "curvatious" then the Habu.. or ergonomic if you will.. my hand locks into place on it better than the Habu.. but just by a little.. they're really close in build though... sort of like the Mitsubishi 3000GT and Dodge (*ducks for flying flames on car analogies, lol*)Stealth.. same car from the frame down, but different body kits creating some slight differences..

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gah.. not the best picks but I am sort of rushed atm..
 
The speed side, eh? I've been using control for some time. Anyway, here's my list of mice owned over the last 5 years or so...

1. DeathAdder
2. MX518
3. MX510
4. IE3
5. Habu
6. G7
7. MX1000
8. G5 V2
9. Copperhead
10. Diamondback

The sensor in the DA more than makes up for the loss of buttons. Toss in BETTER buttons and the DA easily tops the list. I just ordered some Hyperglide Mouse Skates from frozencpu. I didn't think they're necessary, but I'm splitting it w/ a friend. $6 bucks shipped worth a shot. ;)
 
ahh i hate chu revenant! now im going to just HAVE to buy a deathadder and try it out :eek:
 
Jesus, look at the hump on that beast. That's why I just couldn't get used to it.

Good pics. Just what this thread needed.
 
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