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Radeon X300 SE

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Disarray

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Anyone have this card? How does it compare to a 9800? Any advice is appreciated.
 
a 9800 will kill it. this thing would be on par with a 9200se with dx9 support( i think.. corect me if im wrong.) think about it, if the x600 series matches with the 9600 series, how could you expect an x300se to be ANYTHING close to a 9800?
 
lithium726 said:
how could you expect an x300se to be ANYTHING close to a 9800?
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I dont know what I was thinking. Who in there right mind would expect a company's new release to be better than older ones! :eek:

Thanks for the advice though. I had not heard of this card.
 
well, ati and nvidia have to support dell and hp and compaq and emachines in their switch to PCIe. if the only cards on the market that support PCI are high end 500 dollar cards, the OEMs arent going to sell many of the PCIe pased pc's because not everyone is willing to spend as much money as we are on computers, that is the reason that they are making new cards slower than their old ones
 
That makes sense. Guy I know is buying a dell (he's not [H] so give him a break) and asked me for some advice about the card.
 
if hes buying a PCIe dell, i think(im not sure) that they are offering x800 se's in their machines, which should be on par if not higher than a 9800 pro (8 pipe, not sure on clock speeds) i think that if he wants performance close to a 9800 that would be his best bet. or he can stick with AGP and PCI and a real 9800 pro
 
Disarray said:
I dont know what I was thinking. Who in there right mind would expect a company's new release to be better than older ones! :eek:

Thanks for the advice though. I had not heard of this card.
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That's not the way it works....GF4MX anyone? ;)
 
My buddy just got off the phone with dell. He told him the x300 is about 8x better than the 9800.

So now who does he believe? But the tech said he could use his 9800 in the dell if he wants to. lol
 
Disarray said:
My buddy just got off the phone with dell. He told him the x300 is about 8x better than the 9800.

So now who does he believe? But the tech said he could use his 9800 in the dell if he wants to. lol
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wow. just wow. first off, not even the high end next gen cards are 8x better than the 9800 pro secondly, the Dell rep is full of garbage, here is what ive managed to dig up

x300se
Four extreme parallel 3D rendering pixel pipelines
Two programmable vertex shader pipelines
PCI Express x16 lane native support
64-bit or 128-bit memory interface supporting 64MB, 128MB, or 256MB DDR1 memory configurations
Full DirectX® 9 support
Clocks (325mhz/400mhz)

9800pro
Eight parallel rendering pipelines
Four parallel geometry engines
256-bit DDR memory interface
AGP 8X support
Full DirectX® 9 support
Clocks (380mhz/680mhz)

so, more pipelines(means more pixels per pass)with high clock speeds(ok maybe not much on the core, but when the pipes are 2x(4 vs. 8), that means the core is processing 2x more data per cycle, so it can do more.. ie 380 with 8 pipe = 760 with 4 pipe, respectivly) not to mention the 64/128 bit memory bus of the x300 compared to the 256 bit memory bus that the 9800 has. the 9800 is a FAR better card.

now as for the 9800 in the PCIe mobo, we run into another problem. all current mobos (if there are any) that support AGP and PCIe have the AGP slot on the PCI bus(not PCIe)... which means 133mb/s (about .5xAGP) with no GART support, AND it is a shared bus so the card would not even be getting all of the bandwidth to itself if he has another PCI card in the system.

IF he still believes that the x300se will be better and wants to listen to a dell rep rather than hardware techies, let him get the card, play with it, realize what a peice of garbage it is, and he will never doubt you again
 
Disarray said:
Lol. That is some great information. Thanks for the research.
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no problem. love to help :) actually, the only reserch was the specs on the cards, lol.. i spend way to much time on the forums
 
Item Delay Time*


256MB PCI Express™ x16 (DVI/VGA/TV-out) ATI Radeon™ X800 XT 11 days


Might be a hint of what's to come as pertaining to X800 XT availability.
 
lithium726 said:
lol.. i spend way to much time on the forums
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Yeah, me too. I was perfectly happy pluging along on my 2400 amd machine, 440 mx, 256 meg of ram as early as 12 months ago until I found this place. Now I got a freaking spaceship for a desk and people ask me for advice. Sup with that dog?
 
Disarray said:
Yeah, me too. I was perfectly happy pluging along on my 2400 amd machine, 440 mx, 256 meg of ram as early as 12 months ago until I found this place. Now I got a freaking spaceship for a desk and people ask me for advice. Sup with that dog?
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hell i advertise help! charge 40 dollars an hour to fix stuff for old people lol, its good money. i wish i wouldve found this place before i dropped the cash for hte machine im on now, or i mightve saved for a 9800pro instead... they were 400 tho.. oh well, gt to fix everything! but before that, i was happy on my gateway 950mhz tbird with a gf2mx and 764 ram, it only shipped with 128.. damn gateway that was about a year and 2 months ago, so were in the same boat, only mine was a slower boat lol
 
My buddy just got off the phone with dell. He told him the x300 is about 8x better than the 9800.
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Lemme guess...PCIe x16 is 8 times better than 8x AGP? Hey, I should work for Dell! :rolleyes:
 
People fall for the "newer is better" marketing every time there's a new generation of cards, but the truth is that with a handful of very rare exceptions, the enthusiast card from last gen will always outperform the equivalently priced mid range card from the current gen, and it usually won't even be a close comparison, but rather the older card will totally shut the newer one down. I can't even remember the last time that hasn't been true.

9800 pro vs. X600 XT: shutdown
9700 pro vs. 9600 XT: shutdown
GeForce 4 vs. FX5600: Not a shutdown, but GF4 will win every benchmark, sometimes handily, and this isn't really apples to apples anyway, since the FX5600 was much more expensive than the GF4 when they finally released it.
GF3 vs. GF4 MX: Total ownage.
GeForce 256 vs. GF2 MX: Even worse ownage.

You get the idea...
 
[Tripod]MajorPayne said:
That wasn't "afforded". That was constructed. The man who made that truly is a genius. :)
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i could not afford to construct something like that, thousands of dollars were spent on a setup like that..... triple monitors, hydrolics, and the overall [H]ardness of it!
 
He said that the desk only cost him 100 dollars in new material, but he used the winch off a jeep and he said he picked up 2 19" monitors for 20 dollars. I don't remember what else he had to buy.
 
[Tripod]MajorPayne said:
He said that the desk only cost him 100 dollars in new material, but he used the winch off a jeep and he said he picked up 2 19" monitors for 20 dollars. I don't remember what else he had to buy.
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i stand corrected, thats some awesome craftmanship then... i want 2 monitors for 20 bucks! :eek:
 
lithium726 said:
i want 2 monitors for 20 bucks! :eek:
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Come on now, two monitors for $20 bucks, thats crazy talk. I got those two monitors for $20 a peice. Sorry, not that good of a deal :p
 
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