10%, not really huge but still there.
K2200:~5-11% slower than GTX 750 Ti
K4200: ~4-11% slower than GTX 760
K5200: ~2-11% slower than GTX 770
K6000: ~1-10% slower than GTX 780 Ti
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10%, not really huge but still there.
K2200:~5-11% slower than GTX 750 Ti
K4200: ~4-11% slower than GTX 760
K5200: ~2-11% slower than GTX 770
K6000: ~1-10% slower than GTX 780 Ti
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Close enough to blame it on different clocks, if they are.
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Professional drivers lack game specific optimizations.
For the one I showed ya, but not for the k6000 or for the k2200, both those have higher flops than their geforce counter parts but still slower.
As TheLAWNoob stated, there are no game optimizations for the pro drivers/cards.
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I know, but i consider those a joke in 90% of scenarios.
Technically k2200's geforce counterpart is 660 or 650, not 750 Ti. And K6000 i believe has lower clock than 780 Ti. At least that's what wikipedia claims.
I read that, but I don't think they can get from Samsung till after a certain amount from Hynix, just because if that was the case, Samsung has had no problems with HBM 2 for quite some time now (not at 2.0 ghz, but a bit lower), so they could have done something earlier if they were capable of using Samsung early on and then the relative delay of Vega wouldn't be on HBM2 then. Or it took them time to renegotiate the exclusivity contract to get to use Samsung as an additional provider.
I read that more about in general how HBM2 has broader adoption and also more mature than HBM1 meaning supply will be more prevalent due to faster production lines by each manufacturer (including SK Hynix) rather than Raja saying AMD is buying or intend to from Samsung along with SK Hynix.
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There's plenty available here.
https://www.newegg.com/videocards/EventSaleStore/ID-2041860
Every brand has at least one mode;l in-stock as-of today. I'd call that widely available.
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that US not CAN but newegg.ca does have most 500 series cards in stock.
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They have to give a hard street level release date at Computex. I don't think they will though. I think the design is just now finalized for the consumer version and Computex will be a paper release with availability some time in the fall.
Ouch! While I do not need another graphics card many will just have to flock to Nvidia in that time frame.
Haven't they already? While you might find people on forums like this that claim they are waiting for Vega, that is really just about an irrelevant fraction of a percent behavior.
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I think AMD should be worried it took them this long it is very possible that Nvidia could release the GTX 2XXX series cards this summer as well and it will put AMD behind by a year again.
Nvidia absolutely will not have Volta this summer. Mark my word! We can bet money on it if you like. Best case scenario very late this year and early next year is likely scenario! Vega may be out in July it seems but that's because I believe chip itself has been ready but AMD is screwed if it's and HBM2 supply issue. They have to seriously consider limiting hbm to professional cards and start considering gddr6 with navi because Hynix basically fucked up big time with 9 months of delay.
As far as Volta is concerned. You will get consumer card after the professional Volta.
I think amd is doing frontier edition just like nvidia they are marking it a pro card but I think it will work fine with rx drivers according to Raja. It's a tricky thing they are doing. I think they will go after hardcore fanboys at first who will shell out the money for the pro card just cuz they are crazy and want to be dumb and fancy.
There aren plenty of those on both sides. Buying purely because it's the top end card available from their favorite brand. Technically AMD will be able to say we launched Vega in first half by releasing the frontier edition. It's a safe way bet start with the most expensive option and then trickle it down.
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Yeah, nVidia did launch GP100 before GP102 IIRC. When they sell an 8 card computer for 150k who can blame them.
I am curious how they'll get significant gains over Pascal... might be the gen to skip?
idk we will have to see. More clockspeed. Volta seems to be really be heavily focused on deep learning and neural networks it seems. But may be they can get 2ghz stock clock on the core? Plus it has more cores than pascal. So may be a 50% increase max at each tier.
as the most ardent AMD fan I think there's ever been, they burned me for the last time with Ryzen launch and shit oc'ing. I hope they do well. I do with all my heart, but I will not for one millisecond waste any more hope on anything AMD UNTIL they prove me wrong.!!!!!!
I've wanted to go AMD gpu but since my 280x nothing has made sense to me. I had a 970GTX and a 1070GTX before getting a 1080TI and I have to admit they've all been great cards. Make something to compel me back to the light side AMD!!!!
I've wanted to go AMD gpu but since my 280x nothing has made sense to me. I had a 970GTX and a 1070GTX before getting a 1080TI and I have to admit they've all been great cards. Make something to compel me back to the light side AMD!!!!
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They already launched volta 9 days ago for the professional server market and it would not be crazy to think Volta consumer would launch by end of July or fall as that would be in step with how they launched pascal last year. Pascal for servers was launched in April of last year with the GTX cards coming out at the end of May, so if Volta just launched for servers we could easily see Volta consumer July or August. Vega looks to be too little way too late.
They did not launch, they detailed. Q3 is when you can actually order DGX systems with V100, and it's a SYSTEM, not individual. The individual V100 looks like Q4 or even 2018.
Wrong! No single Volta card has launched yet. They did the same thing for p100. Announcing the architecture and detailed roadmap. It wasn't a hard launch. It will launched in systems first. Available for them top dollars. You couldn't have misunderstood more!
Volta V100 is DL/HPC, just like the Frontier is from AMD and their introduction to MI25 or professional visualisation....
And so was P100 which had all the initial papers and presentations before any consumer Pascal was launched.
You cannot say Volta is just DL and HPC because just like P100 their 1st product presented focuses on this; even then some fundamental changes to the use of the cache and way parallel operations and instructions can work now could be important across all Volta GPUs let alone any consumer specialisations.
AMD has just done the same with Frontier, albeit they provided some other high level function previously but their strategy on launch cycle has now subtly changed and similar to that of Nvidia and so information presented (meaning Nvidia will present consumer/Quadro related information later and so will AMD).
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No need to blow a blood vessel. A paper launch is still a launch and they paper launched P100 in March released in April. Volta will likely hit servers next month in June and we are like to see consumer versions in July or August.
No one is blowing a blood vessel. You also know when gaming pascal launched right? according to you p100 came out in march and released in April? So you are saying it took nvidia over a year to bring the gaming pascal card to fruits? I really don't know what you are talking about. It's like you are making your own dates. From everything I know p100 was either late q3 or early q4 product available for masses. Then pascal gaming cards were launched in may 2016. Now you are saying Volta based gaming cards are coming in summer? Going by your example of p100 that is not happening.
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I'm beginning to think you are purposefully misconstruing what I've said. P100 was launched in April 2016 with consumer cards coming in may 2016. If Volta server units release for sale in June or July it's not unreasonable to assume consumer cards will hit the market in August (late summer) or sometime in the early fall. My main point is Vega is releasing too late, and it's likely by the end of the year NVIDIA could put it behind even more by releasing its next cards. People keeping waiting on Vega and we know now consumer gaming Vega won't even be released till maybe July; it's getting silly.
I must admit I am not sure what you and Presbytier are arguing about anymore
So this goes to both of you.
Nvidia Announced at GTC2016 (the prime event for unvieling a new architecture and flagship HPC/datacenter/multi-purpose GPU), and was available to key core clients by Summer, the GP104 was more readily available June.
We were given a 1-week turnaround for DGX-1 and that was mid Q3 at the latest, so was more broadly available at that point.
However core clients with specific contracts-projects had access to the G100 in the summer, and access to the PCIe model a quarter earlier than anyone else.
So GV100 will be available like before summer core projects/clients and others at a node-cluster level early Q3, albeit I bet that will only be like before as a full compliment DGX node and single GPU purchase or outside of DGX options would be early 2018 just like Pascal (which was early 2017 for options outside of DGX).
The Pascal Drive PX2 was announced at CES (perfect event for it) but launched in sampling status late Q4, this time Volta Xavier again was announced at CES in January but will be in sampling status officially earlier and at the latest early Q4.
GP102 launched in August 2016 as the Titan-X and sort of tied in with the P100 - it was announced more for scientific roles and support to P100.
No idea how using the previous history trend of Pascal once can conclude no Volta consumer this year with say the GV104.
But until it launches all we can do is speculate so *shrug*.
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I must admit I am not sure what you and Presbytier are arguing about anymore
So this goes to both of you.
Nvidia Announced at GTC2016 (the prime event for unvieling a new architecture and flagship HPC/datacenter/multi-purpose GPU), and was available to key core clients by Summer, the GP104 was more readily available June.
We were given a 1-week turnaround for DGX-1 and that was mid Q3 at the latest, so was more broadly available at that point.
However core clients with specific contracts-projects had access to the G100 in the summer, and access to the PCIe model a quarter earlier than anyone else.
So GV100 will be available like before summer core projects/clients and others at a node-cluster level early Q3, albeit I bet that will only be like before as a full compliment DGX node and single GPU purchase or outside of DGX options would be early 2018 just like Pascal (which was early 2017 for options outside of DGX).
The Pascal Drive PX2 was announced at CES (perfect event for it) but launched in sampling status late Q4, this time Volta Xavier again was announced at CES in January but will be in sampling status officially earlier and at the latest early Q4.
GP102 launched in August 2016 as the Titan-X and sort of tied in with the P100 - it was announced more for scientific roles and support to P100.
No idea how using the previous history trend of Pascal once can conclude no Volta consumer this year with say the GV104.
But until it launches all we can do is speculate so *shrug*.
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Na bro. He is saying the Volta gaming cards will be here in summer. That's what I am arguing about to him. I agree with everything you said. So far it's looking Volta is following pascal in professional market with similar time frame. You are spot on though.
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He just said what I said in a much better way. If you follow the same trends we could easily see Volta consumer this summer, and when I say summer that can be as late as end of august. It's not an unreasonable guess. So holding to a potential and very probable late summer early to mid fall release if you have been waiting a year for Vega there is no reason to not wait just a tiny bit longer to see how NVIDIA answers Vega. This is AMD real issue here is Vega is an answer to Pascal not Volta.
Dude V100 by itself is not out yet. common! They are launching the systems in late q3. Then v100 will be available individually afterwards. Pascal was the same way. we didn't see gtx 1080 launched summer 2015. It was summer 2016. P100 was launched in similar way in 2015 and available late 2015 Q4 in servers and then gaming cards came out in May 2016? You understand? There is no way in hell volta for gaming is coming out in august. Common!
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They aren't going to go a whole year plus without a graphics card update. That's unheard of and extremely rare in this industry. Go look at the last ten years of releases gaps. The desperation from AMD fanboys for Vega to be a hit is getting absurd, they keep teasing the card with no release date or concrete info I don't get the devotion.
Wtf? You are nuts I have a watercooled 1080ti. Common sense doesn't mean someone is an amd fanboy. Usually nvidia follows year and half to 2 years release cycle. Best case late Q4. Worst case early 2018 for gaming Volta.
I think some of this is kinda semantics and POV.
They are technically launching the product with certain core clients/labs/some universities to begin with early summer just like the P100, for others it would be early Q3 to get the V100 DGX node but only with 8xV100 just like with Pascal (we had a good price as well but still stupid expensive relative to what we as consumers deal with though), while the next year you will be able to buy it in smaller scale.
Quite a few of us are thinking GV104 would be early-Mid Q4 but as a full launch instead of a trickle, or depending upon Nvidia's rollout could be pushed forward a bit into Q3, they were pretty aggressive with Pascal.
Comes down a bit as well to when Nvidia also decides to launch the 1st GV102 in support of the V100 to complete the HPC/DL/compute ecosystem (which was the primary point for GP102 to begin with) and if they pull that forward a bit.
They would launch GV104 a fair bit before that.
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They are technically launching the product with certain core clients/labs/some universities to begin with early summer just like the P100, for others it would be early Q3 to get the V100 DGX node but only with 8xV100 just like with Pascal (we had a good price as well but still stupid expensive relative to what we as consumers deal with though), while the next year you will be able to buy it in smaller scale.
Quite a few of us are thinking GV104 would be early-Mid Q4 but as a full launch instead of a trickle, or depending upon Nvidia's rollout could be pushed forward a bit into Q3, they were pretty aggressive with Pascal.
Comes down a bit as well to when Nvidia also decides to launch the 1st GV102 in support of the V100 to complete the HPC/DL/compute ecosystem (which was the primary point for GP102 to begin with) and if they pull that forward a bit.
They would launch GV104 a fair bit before that.
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Nvidia does not follow a 18 month to 24 month release cycle. That is absolutely bogus and I don't know why you are even getting upset at the idea they may update their lineup this fall.
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GTX 480 launched March 2010, GTX 580 November 2010, GTX 680 launched March 2012, GTX 780 May 2013, GTX 980 September 2014. So the average is definitely less then 18-24 months apart. It's rare to go a year without a release.GTX 980 released Sept 2014, GTX 1080 may 2016, that's about 18months by my count
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I thought we'd see a Pascal refresh sometime by the end of Q2 and then Volta GTX around a year later. No such luck. Makes me think Volta will be out even sooner (Q3-Q4). But I also don't see Nvidia obsoleting the 1080 Ti after only 6 months.
Remember all those GTX 2000 series rumors from earlier this year?
Remember all those GTX 2000 series rumors from earlier this year?
980 -> 980ti -> 1080 took 9 months each, so extrapolating that on the 1080ti, First x80 Volta would have a theoretical release of December, during the winter holidays.
1080 -> 1080ti took 10 months, but market saturation forced them for this, AMD can't touch this segment, so there is no Fury X forcing 980ti scenario.
From this, I don't see nVidia taking anymore than a year from 1080ti for the Volta line, the most probable time would be December or January, unlikely any earlier or later.
1080 -> 1080ti took 10 months, but market saturation forced them for this, AMD can't touch this segment, so there is no Fury X forcing 980ti scenario.
From this, I don't see nVidia taking anymore than a year from 1080ti for the Volta line, the most probable time would be December or January, unlikely any earlier or later.