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R9 290x Delayed?

With Nvidia announcing something on Tuesday it does make sense for AMD to wait. This allows AMD to see what Nvidia is doing and price accordingly to counter them. That said, I'd like some bloody information on the 290 non-X. I want something better than single 770 for 1440p gaming. Hopefully Red or Green will offer something at a reasonable price range (under $550).
 
Derangel said:
With Nvidia announcing something on Tuesday it does make sense for AMD to wait. This allows AMD to see what Nvidia is doing and price accordingly to counter them.
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Lol, it makes no sense whatsoever. AMD is the one that's supposed to have a hot new card, why should they be playing defense by waiting? Do they not have any confidence in their new hardware? Why isn't NVidia waiting so that they "can see what AMD is doing and price accordingly to counter them"?
 
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Maybe Roy has to pull some more time to pull something out of his ass from his tweet saying that its 4x as powerful as a Titan @ 4k resolution.
 
Frankie said:
Lol, it makes no sense whatsoever. AMD is the one that's supposed to have a hot new card, why should they be playing defense by waiting? Do they not have any confidence in their new hardware? Why isn't NVidia waiting so that they "can see what AMD is doing and price accordingly to counter them"?
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Technically Nvidia having announcements on the day AMD is supposed to be lifting NDAs on the 290x is their counter.
 
It's interesting timing cause ubi$oft will probably be there with their new 1.5+ million dollars of free provincial government money they just got to announce something...
 
Derangel said:
Technically Nvidia having announcements on the day AMD is supposed to be lifting NDAs on the 290x is their counter.
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Yeah, but they're not delaying their news until they see AMDs hand, are they? They're "spoiling", not "delaying and then countering".

If AMD is delaying to see what NVidia says, which I doubt tbh, they're pussies, period.

This release has already been a train wreck. If there are further cars careening off the track, in the way of delays, I doubt I'll give AMD a shot this generation.
 
Frankie said:
Yeah, but they're not delaying their news until they see AMDs hand, are they? They're "spoiling", not "delaying and then countering".

If AMD is delaying to see what NVidia says, which I doubt tbh, they're pussies, period.
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Nvidia has never really cared about being competitively priced though. AMD seems to care a little more about that stuff. A 290x that beats the Titan priced competitively with a 780 or a 290 that beats the 780 priced competitively with a 770/770TI (if once is announced) would be amazingly priced cards that could give AMD a huge edge. That said, this seems to be a kind of pointless conversation given Roy's tweet.
 
Frankie said:
Like factory OCd 780s have been doing for months.
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Yep. Be interesting to see what OCing does for the 290x vs the 780 and Titan.

Maybe, though the 290x wasn't specifically mentioned.
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True. Though the article said 290 series so it's easy to take that to mean both of them. The 290 non-X has been kind of in an unknown state since the announcement.
 
Frankie said:
Like factory OCd 780s have been doing for months.
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Comparing OC'd vs stock is kind've silly. OC'd 780 vs OC'd 290/x would be apples to apples.

Or as close as you could get anyways with a 780 vs 290/x comparison.

The 290/x has the ungimped compute performance that should be as good as or even better than the Titan...which is why comparisons to the nV Titan keep popping up. Even if you don't care about compute performance that would still be the most accurate way to compare cards.
 
tobi54 said:
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He also said the North America pre-orders would be up on the 3rd, then the 4th. Still not up though. Notice he mentioned launch, not review NDA which is what the delay was about - when asked to clarify he never answered back.
 
Understandable if there's a shortage of supply. But if it's only a wait-and-see tactic, well that's a little weak. Just show your cards AMD. No need to pussyfoot around.
 
Can't be a delay if a release date was never announced in the first place. AMD has not disclosed any NDA date yet on 290/X, official word we have always had, since being briefed on R7 and R9 series, in regards to 290/X is: "NDA to be determined" So, I have no idea where people ever got the date of the 15th from. Complete internet made up rumor.
 
Frankie said:
Comparing 290X to the Titan instead of a 780 is far more silly. What gamers are buying a Titan right now over a factory OCd 780? Seriously. Who?
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You compare the 290/x to Titan since that is the top nV consumer card with ungimped compute, so as to keep the value/performance/feature comparison as close as possible, why is that so strange of an idea?
 
Brent_Justice said:
Can't be a delay if a release date was never announced in the first place. AMD has not disclosed any NDA date yet on 290/X, official word we have always had, since being briefed on R7 and R9 series, in regards to 290/X is: "NDA to be determined" So, I have no idea where people ever got the date of the 15th from. Complete internet made up rumor.
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It originally came from the leaked slides that were posted a few days ago., "Under embargo until Oct 15th" or something to that effect.
 
Brent_Justice said:
Can't be a delay if a release date was never announced in the first place. AMD has not disclosed any NDA date yet on 290/X, official word we have always had, since being briefed on R7 and R9 series, in regards to 290/X is: "NDA to be determined" So, I have no idea where people ever got the date of the 15th from. Complete internet made up rumor.
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I believe it was from videocardz, the same source as this rumor. Maybe they are just covering their error by blaming AMD for a delay?
 
mesyn191 said:
You compare the 290/x to Titan since that is the top nV consumer card with ungimped compute, so as to keep the value/performance/feature comparison as close as possible, why is that so strange of an idea?
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Because most gamers don't give a rats ass about compute?
 
The new launch date

My yesterday’s post about the launch date caused a huge misunderstanding on multiple forums. So let me rephrase what I wanted to say and hopefully this will clear things a bit. The R9 290X will not launch tomorrow, instead it will launch around October 24th, while R9 290 should arrive on October 31st (both dates are just rumors, but a very good ones).

I was also told that October 15th, which was an NDA date in the slides leaked by Donanim Haber (and no, we didn’t made that up), was just a milestone, which was later updated by AMD during the GPU 14 event. Apparently they didn’t update it on time and it somehow made its way to the web. So technically it was postponed, but AMD will just say it was never meant to be launched on this date. Instead they will just claim it’s right on track and the schedule has not changed (of course it didn’t, but we never learned the official launch date).
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http://videocardz.com/46741/radeon-r9-290x-pictured-close

videocardz's updated explanation FWIW
 
Brent_Justice said:
Can't be a delay if a release date was never announced in the first place. AMD has not disclosed any NDA date yet on 290/X, official word we have always had, since being briefed on R7 and R9 series, in regards to 290/X is: "NDA to be determined" So, I have no idea where people ever got the date of the 15th from. Complete internet made up rumor.
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I think it came from this slide.

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All I know is that this launch better live up to the high hope/hype it's seemed to have generated.
 
mesyn191 said:
Which wouldn't still wouldn't invalidate my point so I don't know why you bring it up?
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Then why'd you bring it up if it wasn't part of your point?

You compare the 290/x to Titan since that is the top nV consumer card with ungimped compute
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The 99.9% of gamers that don't care about compute and aren't running 7680x1600 don't buy Titans, they buy 780s. Saying ZOMG the R9 is (might be) 100% of Titan performance for 65% of the price makes no sense when the comparison that makes sense for 99.9% of consumers may be 110% of 780 performance for 100% of 780 price.

According to Steams hardware surveys, Titans are massively less popular amongst gamers than the 780, despite having been released 6 months earlier, and the Titan's usage is (not surprisingly) not increasing, while 780 usage is climbing rapidly.
 
Frankie said:
Then why'd you bring it up if it wasn't part of your point?



The 99.9% of gamers that don't care about compute and aren't running 7680x1600 don't buy Titans, they buy 780s. Saying ZOMG the R9 is (might be) 100% of Titan performance for 65% of the price makes no sense when the comparison that makes sense for 99.9% of consumers may be 110% of 780 performance for 100% of 780 price.

According to Steams hardware surveys, Titans are massively less popular amongst gamers than the 780, despite having been released 6 months earlier, and the Titan's usage is (not surprisingly) not increasing, while 780 usage is climbing rapidly.
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Frankie, while I understand the point you are trying to make, flagship releases have always been a fight for king of the throne - pitting the best against the best. In this case, that would be the 290X versus the Titan; irrespective of what gamers are willing to pay, or can afford (although, I suspect if Titans were only, let's say, $100 more than the 780's, the adoption rate would be much higher).

I get what the reality actually is, but the bleeding edge has never been a fight for what makes financial sense; it's always been about the raw numbers (and sometimes new, innovative features), when all is said and done.
 
covertash said:
Frankie, while I understand the point you are trying to make, flagship releases have always been a fight for king of the throne - pitting the best against the best. In this case, that would be the 290X versus the Titan; irrespective of what gamers are willing to pay, or can afford (although, I suspect if Titans were only, let's say, $100 more than the 780's, the adoption rate would be much higher).

I get what the reality actually is, but the bleeding edge has never been a fight for what makes financial sense; it's always been about the raw numbers (and sometimes new, innovative features), when all is said and done.
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Sounds like you're talking about corporate chest thumping and epeen comparisons. I'm talking about logical comparisons that consumers will actually do as part of the thought process prior to their purchase, in which case what the Titan does or doesn't do isn't really relevant if the more logical comparison is between the 780 and the 290X.

If the 290X comes out at performance equal to the Titan and @ $699 it looks like a screaming deal. 100% of the performance at 70% of the price.

Unless Nvidia drops the price of the 780 to $500. Then the 290X will be offering ~10% more performance than the 780, at a 40% price premium. 10% more performance for 40% more money? Doesn't seem like a screaming deal to me.

Note that I'm not saying that this is what I think will happen, merely what the "flagship vs. flagship comparison only" mentality that so many have around here dictates.
 
Frankie said:
Sounds like you're talking about corporate chest thumping and epeen comparisons.
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You are right, it absolutely is. For the educated members of the [H], it's nice to look at and discuss, but ultimately, makes little difference to our final purchasing decision. However, to the rest of the world, being king of the hill sets the tone for the rest of the product lineup, where public perception does matter.

Similarly, you don't compare a Nissan GT-R to a Porsche 911 Turbo, you compare it to the faster, higher end 911 Turbo S.

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I'm talking about logical comparisons that consumers will actually do as part of the thought process prior to their purchase, in which case what the Titan does or doesn't do isn't really relevant if the more logical comparison is between the 780 and the 290X.

If the 290X comes out at performance equal to the Titan and @ $699 it looks like a screaming deal. 100% of the performance at 70% of the price.

Unless Nvidia drops the price of the 780 to $500. Then the 290X will be offering ~10% more performance than the 780, at a 40% price premium. 10% more performance for 40% more money? Doesn't seem like a screaming deal to me.

Note that I'm not saying that this is what I think will happen, merely what the "flagship vs. flagship comparison only" mentality that so many have around here dictates.
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Again, I understand your logical comparison. Everyone around these parts does. The point is, once the dust settles on who is the fastest horse in the race, the rest of the lineup and respective pricing will come into full view.

With regards to the average consumer though, let's be frank, they would never pay the prices even for a 780 or 290 non-X, regardless of how much value you or I see in them. Even many [H] members have trouble swallowing that sort of a pill.
 
Frankie said:
Then why'd you bring it up if it wasn't part of your point?
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You seem to be misreading/misunderstanding what I'm trying to talk about on a level that is jaw dropping...

I'm talking about keeping your comparisons apples to apples and you're essentially saying that isn't legit because most no one uses/cares about compute/Titan. I think this is fairly silly to say, just look at projects like Milkyway or S@H. Lots of people run both programs on their GPU's. The whole problem with Titan was that it just cost too much damn money. R9 290/x might actually be affordable enough, eventually, for far more people to buy.

What you're talking about straight up doesn't matter at all when making comparisons at a minimum but isn't very relevant at all in of itself either since these are all very expensive top end halo products we're talking about there. Almost no one uses much of any of them in the PC gaming market period. Which is itself a tiny tiny slice of the PC market as a whole.

In your own survey the 780GTX users make up .41% of whole Steam population and usage rate is growing at a rate of .10%. We're down to a niche of a niche of a niche here.
 
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Fanboy geeks. Who fuckin cares. Get a titan and shutup. Get a 290x and shutup. The thread was about delay or no delay not whos titan has a bigger dick than a card thats not even out yet.
 
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