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r9 290 or wait for Maxwell?

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Canvas

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which will you predict be more bang for the buck? I also hear 290 price will go down soon. ive never had amd card but this one seems interesting.
 
right now there is absolutely no reason for a price drop on amd cards
 
If those are the choices then I would say wait for Maxwell or for AMD cards prices to come back to MSRP. At the current "Miner" prices the 290 is just plainly overpriced.
 
What do you have now, what are you playing, and at what resolution? We can't really answer without that info.
 
crun said:
right now there is absolutely no reason for a price drop on amd cards
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Yup. Unless there is a crash in the mining market AMD cards will continue to be over MSRP. I don't know anyone who still sells at MSRP.
 
KENNYB said:
Yup. Unless there is a crash in the mining market AMD cards will continue to be over MSRP. I don't know anyone who still sells at MSRP.
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everytime things start to crash another boom comes along :) There won't be anything that'll get me to unplug unless I'm making quite a chunk less than I'm spending on power. If its even NEUTRAL I'll use the coins as investments and sit on them to have long term profit.
 
mkrohn said:
everytime things start to crash another boom comes along :) There won't be anything that'll get me to unplug unless I'm making quite a chunk less than I'm spending on power. If its even NEUTRAL I'll use the coins as investments and sit on them to have long term profit.
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Quite agreed -- once a miner has the cards in their possession - as long as you are making enough to pay for your power (and have a way to manage any heat generated) what is the point of dumping the cards?

It's nice to know I could sell 5 of my 6 GPUs (gotta have at least one to game on) and know I could get an easy 1600 dollars (all 7970s and above) but no way in hell any miner with a long term vision will sell now (until scrypt asics start hitting and that's not anytime soon)

I spend maybe 3 dollars a day in power for my miners --- i bring in way way way more than that currently. If everything crashed and suddenly I'm only bringing in 25 cents a day, I'd probably dump.


To answer OP's question -- this is the same question people were asking 6 months ago "wait for R9 290, or buy 7970 Ghz Edition" if you keep asking these questions, you are going to keep waiting forever and forever. Even if you bought something now -- when Maxwell hits prices aren't going to TOTALLY evaporate into nothing, you could be gaming now.

My personal opinion -- GPU's are so powerful (on both sides) why wait for maxwell and pay a craptop to be a first adopter... unless you are pushing some crazy 4K resolution gaming and need everything to be on one card, just buy something today.
 
Just wait.

If your existing video solution is good enough, then it's good enough to wait.

When R9 290's come down below $400, then it would be a good time to buy. I don't see that happening before Maxwell-chip-based cards come out, nor do I imagine that the new Maxwell cards will be 'cheaper' than the original $US399 price of the R9 290's.
 
I'm using integrated now and I dont want to spend 400 for a card that would get trumped by new tech soon. mantle seems like a good idea and Maxwell has some nifty features. so I'm trying to stay ahead of consoles because new games will all of a sudden require some serious hardware.
 
Canvas said:
I'm using integrated now and I dont want to spend 400 for a card that would get trumped by new tech soon. mantle seems like a good idea and Maxwell has some nifty features. so I'm trying to stay ahead of consoles because new games will all of a sudden require some serious hardware.
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No matter what you get it will be trumped in six months to a year when the next generation is released if not sooner. Unless you have the money to constantly upgrade to the newest greatest thing as soon as it comes out, like some here do, you'll never stop playing the waiting game for the next big thing to 'stay on top'. About the only time its not a fools bet is if the next release has a confirmed drop date and its only a few weeks or less away. So as I've seen other, wiser heads here put it:

Relax, buy what you can afford now and actually enjoy the time you'd otherwise have spent waiting 'for the next big thing' to actually come along.
 
What is your current card? If you can buy a 290 for 500 or a 780 for 500 you should be golden for a bit. Maxwell high end seems to be nowhere in sight prior to Q4 2014 (my guestimate based on recent news).
 
I dont have a card now but willing to wait if Maxwell comes out in a month or so since in not a heavy gamer. I can get an xfx 290 for 500 but gtx780 is 600 right now. I'm not used to and cards though especially their catalyst, does it have same options as forceware? also wouldnt the new features Maxwell boasts about be vastly superior than anything amd has?
 
New features are not known yet or mostly just tech presentations. Whether they are big or not is still to be seen. Maxwell is definitely not coming out in a month especially on higher range cards that you are looking towards.

Drivers are a clear win on nVidia side for me. However, for single card configurations both are pretty even with nVidia having slightly more flexibility/options in terms of vsync, physx, aa options etc. If you are using a single monitor then nVidia is better choice imo. As for speed of the cards, if you overclock you can have the GTX 780 run faster than a stock GTX 780 Ti. If you don't overclock then buying a card with a factory overclock will be faster than a R9 290 stock. With both at default the R9 290 is slightly faster than a GTX 780.

For the price, not sure which country you are in but if 100 dollars don't mean too much to you then I would buy GTX 780 (preferably factory OC version) over R9 290.
 
KickAssCop said:
New features are not known yet or mostly just tech presentations. Whether they are big or not is still to be seen. Maxwell is definitely not coming out in a month especially on higher range cards that you are looking towards.

Drivers are a clear win on nVidia side for me. However, for single card configurations both are pretty even with nVidia having slightly more flexibility/options in terms of vsync, physx, aa options etc. If you are using a single monitor then nVidia is better choice imo. As for speed of the cards, if you overclock you can have the GTX 780 run faster than a stock GTX 780 Ti. If you don't overclock then buying a card with a factory overclock will be faster than a R9 290 stock. With both at default the R9 290 is slightly faster than a GTX 780.

For the price, not sure which country you are in but if 100 dollars don't mean too much to you then I would buy GTX 780 (preferably factory OC version) over R9 290.
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If he can get an aftermarket R9 290 for the $500 he quoted it would be STUPID to spend ~$100 more for a 780 that isn't going to be any faster..The aftermarket cooled 290s seem to OC quite well, and are very quiet..

That $100 could buy him a nice SSD if he doesn't already have one, or just keep an extra $100 in his wallet.


OP, Don't expect any High end cards until September (or later)...20nm parts won't be ramping up in volume until then...I doubt we are going to see some insane jump in performance (more then ~20%), so why wait ~9 months when you could have great performance now?
 
ccityinstaller said:
OP, Don't expect any High end cards until September (or later)...20nm parts won't be ramping up in volume until then...I doubt we are going to see some insane jump in performance (more then ~20%), so why wait ~9 months when you could have great performance now?
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Good advice. If you have a need for a better GPU NOW, then buy it. 20 nm parts are still a ways off.
 
collegeboy69us said:
Quite agreed -- once a miner has the cards in their possession - as long as you are making enough to pay for your power (and have a way to manage any heat generated) what is the point of dumping the cards?

It's nice to know I could sell 5 of my 6 GPUs (gotta have at least one to game on) and know I could get an easy 1600 dollars (all 7970s and above) but no way in hell any miner with a long term vision will sell now (until scrypt asics start hitting and that's not anytime soon)

I spend maybe 3 dollars a day in power for my miners --- i bring in way way way more than that currently. If everything crashed and suddenly I'm only bringing in 25 cents a day, I'd probably dump.


To answer OP's question -- this is the same question people were asking 6 months ago "wait for R9 290, or buy 7970 Ghz Edition" if you keep asking these questions, you are going to keep waiting forever and forever. Even if you bought something now -- when Maxwell hits prices aren't going to TOTALLY evaporate into nothing, you could be gaming now.

My personal opinion -- GPU's are so powerful (on both sides) why wait for maxwell and pay a craptop to be a first adopter... unless you are pushing some crazy 4K resolution gaming and need everything to be on one card, just buy something today.
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So you make like 6 bucks a day?
 
Wait till maxwell comes out and then wait till the newer cards come out after maxwell, then wait some more and get that card.

Or you could just get the 780ti.
 
Canvas said:
which will you predict be more bang for the buck? I also hear 290 price will go down soon. ive never had amd card but this one seems interesting.
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20nm chips are not expected till last half this year and that's being very optimistic. The price of the r9 series of cards and the previous generations is greatly inflated due to all the people using them for mining so retailers jack the prices up cause the miners will pay $700+ for a card that msrp's at $500.
 
It appears ill be forced to wait either way, since 290 non-ference is around $600, at that price might as well go for 780. but what i wanted was something close to 400, as thats what i usually pay for cards.
 
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