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Quick SSD question

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Vorret

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I need to buy something (you know the feeling!) and I'd like to get a pair of SSD, one for me and one for my GF.

Can you fit Win7 and World of Warcraft on a single 64GB SSD?
If it's possible, will I see a noticable performance increase or it's going to be relativly the same? (Note, we're both using basic 7200RPM drive right now)

Thanks !
 
You will notice, as long as you get a quality newer SSD. And yes, WoW and Win7 will fit easily on 64GB.
 
64GB should be more than enough. If I'm not mistaken, Windows 7 takes 13GB (correct me if I'm wrong). I'm not sure how much space WoW takes, but it shouldn't be more than 10GB, anyway. I don't play it, so I don't know.

If you get a good SSD with fast speeds then yes, you will notice a huge difference. Everything built into windows will load much faster, and Windows will boot much faster as well. Also, WoW should load much faster too.

You should put all of your main applications on the SSD, like photoshop and firefox as well. 64GB should be more than enough to fit Windows 7, WoW, and a few applications.
 
WoW is +- 23-24GB
It's gotten rather big with the latest x-packs :p

Thanks for the info.

I'm shopping for my GF since she has some quick lockups with WoW which led me to beleive her HD isn't fast enough.
She has a 6850 so GFX shouldn't cause the problem and a Core2Duo is more than enough to run WoW.
 
You'll be able to do that without a problem and definitely see some gains. You can also remove some things in windows and bring down the OS size to 7-8gb
 
Lockups are typically caused by bad memory, overheating, or PSU. I wouldn't think it's the HDD. And certainly not because it's "too slow."
 
Valaire said:
Lockups are typically caused by bad memory, overheating, or PSU. I wouldn't think it's the HDD. And certainly not because it's "too slow."
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could be... is there any way to test wether it's the PSU or memory? I've checked the temps and they're fine.
 
I use my 64 gb SSD only for windows. However WOW should fit on there fine. just remember that you will be downloading a lot of updates for WIN 7 also.
 
Will try the memtest.
The more I think about it the more I think it's the PSU though, it'd make sense since the problem started when we uppgraded her GPU to a 6850, maybe her PSU is having trouble with it.
 
Vorret said:
Will try the memtest.
The more I think about it the more I think it's the PSU though, it'd make sense since the problem started when we uppgraded her GPU to a 6850, maybe her PSU is having trouble with it.
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Exactly. Download a program call FurMark and run it. It basically maxes out your GPU. Look for corruption in the details of the fur.
 
Alright so I ran the memory test overnight and it came back with 0 error.
I also did the Furmark and I didn't see anything wrong, it worked flawlessly, though I could have used it wrong.

I'm confused!
 
I just installed Win7 on a 64GB Crucial M4, and after disabling hibernation, and moving the page file off the drive, there was just over 8GB used on the drive. Without moving the page file and disabling hibernation, it was 34GB used, that's with 8GB of RAM installed, you get the picture.
 
vick1000 said:
I just installed Win7 on a 64GB Crucial M4, and after disabling hibernation, and moving the page file off the drive, there was just over 8GB used on the drive. Without moving the page file and disabling hibernation, it was 34GB used, that's with 8GB of RAM installed, you get the picture.
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I bought the exact SSD... when you moved the hibernation file and pagefile, is it a one time move only or you need to redo that after every reboot? (I never had to move them to be honest)
 
Vorret said:
I bought the exact SSD... when you moved the hibernation file and pagefile, is it a one time move only or you need to redo that after every reboot? (I never had to move them to be honest)
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No, just once. You can search the web to find out how, plenty of guides out there for SSD tweaks.
 
Valaire said:
Run Memtest on a usb stick on the computer overnight.
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memtest is probly one of best apps to test memory, back in day I had some ocz gold series that was bad and its how I found out. Mine was getting errors within 10sec of testing tho lol.
 
Shata said:
memtest is probly one of best apps to test memory, back in day I had some ocz gold series that was bad and its how I found out. Mine was getting errors within 10sec of testing tho lol.
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Memtest86+ is the only program as far as I am concerned with memory testing. I burnt it to a CD and keep the CD around (or...lend it to a friend and never see the CD again)

vick1000 said:
You will notice, as long as you get a quality newer SSD. And yes, WoW and Win7 will fit easily on 64GB.
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I went from a RAID 0 array with 2x 150GB Raptors (WD1500) and...really, yes - Windows boots in seconds. But game load times are kinda the same as before.

The main reason I wanted it is for reduction of noise. Not hearing my Raptors go crazy anymore is amazing. I now realize that my GTX580 is actually kinda noisy. Before I couldn't tell very well.

64GB should be enough...but if you can afford a 128, do it.

Also, consider SATA2 vs SATA3. If you plan to keep this PC for a while and only have SATA2, get a SATA2 drive and save money. If you have a SATA3 controller (Sandybridge?) or plan to upgrade the PC soon, invest in a SATA3 drive (Intel 510, Vertex3, C300)
 
Memtest86+ is the only program as far as I am concerned with memory testing.
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I believe it is the most through tester however I have seen it take days to find bad ram so never assume that after 1 to 5 tests that your ram is good.
 
rampantandroid said:
Memtest86+ is the only program as far as I am concerned with memory testing. I burnt it to a CD and keep the CD around (or...lend it to a friend and never see the CD again)
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Actually, Windows Memory Diagnostic (included with Windows Vista and 7) is also good, and doesn't require the creation of a boot disk. You can launch it from Windows and it will reboot your machine and run the test.

The "Extended" test mode offers cached and uncached testing, and seems to be pretty thorough to me.
 
defaultluser said:
Actually, Windows Memory Diagnostic (included with Windows Vista and 7) is also good, and doesn't require the creation of a boot disk. You can launch it from Windows and it will reboot your machine and run the test.

The "Extended" test mode offers cached and uncached testing, and seems to be pretty thorough to me.
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I've never played with that - I'll have to try it just to see. I honestly just go with memtest86+ because I know it myself. I just want a test program that will tell me which DIMM is bad, not just that there's an error and then let me swap out each of my 6 dimms :-p
 
vick1000 said:
I just installed Win7 on a 64GB Crucial M4, and after disabling hibernation, and moving the page file off the drive, there was just over 8GB used on the drive. Without moving the page file and disabling hibernation, it was 34GB used, that's with 8GB of RAM installed, you get the picture.
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However the one caveat is that I would recommend moving your user folders to a seperate drive right away - google a tutorial. Otherwise your user folder can become quite substantial and you will run out of space quickly - within only a few months my user folder grew to 14GB and my 50GB drive was nearly maxed.
 
TwistedAegis said:
However the one caveat is that I would recommend moving your user folders to a seperate drive right away - google a tutorial. Otherwise your user folder can become quite substantial and you will run out of space quickly - within only a few months my user folder grew to 14GB and my 50GB drive was nearly maxed.
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Ah yes, another important move for SSDs. Directing Windows to another drive for Temp and Documents etc...It fairlt simple and will save tons of space and wrties to the drive.
 
I installed the SSD last night.
Put WoW folder on it and while it's faster it's not incredible.

Bit disapointed but didn't had time to test if the periodic lags we're gone... will have more time to test it tonight.
 
SSD does not solve "periodic lags." It will improve two things with games: level-loading and launch speed of the game. If you have periodic "freezes" in the game where frames are dropped, that is a graphics/CPU issue. Not the hard drive.
 
Valaire said:
SSD does not solve "periodic lags." It will improve two things with games: level-loading and launch speed of the game. If you have periodic "freezes" in the game where frames are dropped, that is a graphics/CPU issue. Not the hard drive.
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Going from my RAIDed Raptors to this Intel SSD I have...was NOT night and day. Windows starts up faster...but game load times remained very much the same. SSDs MIGHT be night and day if you had an old 300GB 7200 RPM drive around. Else...well, it's silent! Heh.
 
SSD's are still significantly faster; whether or not you notice what you consider an appreciable difference between them and your raided raptors is a different story and entirely subjective. Anyway, that's outside the scope of OP's question and my answer. Although I do enjoy the X-Fi card you are rocking. ;)
 
Valaire said:
SSD's are still significantly faster; whether or not you notice what you consider an appreciable difference between them and your raided raptors is a different story and entirely subjective. Anyway, that's outside the scope of OP's question and my answer. Although I do enjoy the X-Fi card you are rocking. ;)
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Faster by benchmark, sure - and I haven't tried WoW either, maybe that got better....but I know DA2 didn't improve :)

As for the sound card...well, it thankfully works right these days, but for the longest time Creative's drivers were terrible (games would crash when you had too many sounds going at once) and they were...creative...about what they blamed (which PCI slot it was in. Your RAM. Your CPU. Your motherboard. Your PSU. The position you were sitting in. The position of Jupiter relative to the position of Uranus.) I think I'm banned from the Creative forums for accusing them of having bad drivers...:p
 
DL and run AS-SSD on the drive, post a screen shot. You may not have the system setup properly, or the partition alignment may be off depending on how you set up the drive.

Also, AHCI needs to be enabled, and the proper chipset drivers installed.
 
rampantandroid said:
Faster by benchmark, sure - and I haven't tried WoW either, maybe that got better....but I know DA2 didn't improve :)

As for the sound card...well, it thankfully works right these days, but for the longest time Creative's drivers were terrible (games would crash when you had too many sounds going at once) and they were...creative...about what they blamed (which PCI slot it was in. Your RAM. Your CPU. Your motherboard. Your PSU. The position you were sitting in. The position of Jupiter relative to the position of Uranus.) I think I'm banned from the Creative forums for accusing them of having bad drivers...:p
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I used to have an X-Fi ExtremeMusic that would produce the snap crackle pop. Someone up above is looking out for us with the death of EAX.
 
vick1000 said:
DL and run AS-SSD on the drive, post a screen shot. You may not have the system setup properly, or the partition alignment may be off depending on how you set up the drive.

Also, AHCI needs to be enabled, and the proper chipset drivers installed.
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If you're talking to me:

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Thread is here already:
http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1622625

I'm limited by the chipset on my X58 board not having native SATA3, and the Marvell controller being linked over a single PCIe lane (not even capable of SATA2 speeds, right?)

Valaire said:
I used to have an X-Fi ExtremeMusic that would produce the snap crackle pop. Someone up above is looking out for us with the death of EAX.
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Yes, thank goodness EAX is finally going away. Now to get a USB DAC, or to get a Xonar :)
 
My WoW folder is 25.5gigs, total programs clock in around 15 gigs, with Win7 taking 10.8gigs... cutting it close.
 
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