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Question for iPhone users.

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AltTabbins

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IPhone users, will you buy the iPhone 7 if it doesn't have standard headphone jack? I am kind of stuck with iPhone because work pays for it. I have about 4 sets of headphones that I don't want to replace so it looks like I might have to get an MP3 player again. Maybe I'll have to deal with 2 phones and pick up something other than an iPhone for personal use.


*Please don't turn this thread into a platform to spout about why you like Android or Windows phone. If you want to argue about phones, make your own thread. A lot of us are getting tired of thread derails*
 
No normal jack would make significantly more likely to skip it. I have a few decent sets of headphones and I use them for at least two hours everyday. I don't want to use wireless headphones nor do I want the pain in the ass of using adapter cables.
 
I don't think I've ever used the headphone jack on any of my iPhones anyway.
 
It will depend on how good my Bragi Dash is.

I have quite a few pairs of "cheap" enthusiasts headphones (ranging between $150 to $550), but my iPhone 6S isn't exactly the best medium for me to use them on. So I could go bluetooth all the way. Or just get another adapter... *sigh. I do wonder if Apple plan on helping with the Bluetooth by relaying the signal to the Apple watch our something.
 
Apple's move is spurring the high-end guys to make better wireless headphones. What if they actually end up being better than the wired ones? No wires means no tangling and no microphonics and a big increase in durability. If you still insist on a wire, you'll also be seeing new Lightning headphones, some with their own amps and DACs.

I know some of you are pissed that Apple is trying to kill the 3.5mm jack and they might actually do it because they're good at killing legacy stuff. But are you really sorry that the floppy disk is gone? That all the legacy ports that existed before USB are gone? That the CD/DVD drive is nearly gone? The 3.5mm jack predates all this stuff by many decades, was never meant for portability in the modern sense, and you are all too familiar with the problems with it.
 
evilsofa said:
Apple's move is spurring the high-end guys to make better wireless headphones. What if they actually end up being better than the wired ones? No wires means no tangling and no microphonics and a big increase in durability. If you still insist on a wire, you'll also be seeing new Lightning headphones, some with their own amps and DACs.

I know some of you are pissed that Apple is trying to kill the 3.5mm jack and they might actually do it because they're good at killing legacy stuff. But are you really sorry that the floppy disk is gone? That all the legacy ports that existed before USB are gone? That the CD/DVD drive is nearly gone? The 3.5mm jack predates all this stuff by many decades, was never meant for portability in the modern sense, and you are all too familiar with the problems with it.
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You really think the masses give a shit about about a pair of headphones with their own amps and DACs? I'll help you with the answer: They don't give a rats ass.

What they do care about is the fact that headphones that work with iPhone will now cost more then the typical pair they buy and that the headphones they have will no longer work without some special adapter. Not to mention that the new pair of headphones will only work in an iDevice.

If Apple really gave a shit, beyond wanting to milk more from their sheep, they'd be using a non-proprietary connection that benefits everybody in the long run.
 
Vermillion said:
You really think the masses give a shit about about a pair of headphones with their own amps and DACs? I'll help you with the answer: They don't give a rats ass.

What they do care about is the fact that headphones that work with iPhone will now cost more then the typical pair they buy and that the headphones they have will no longer work without some special adapter. Not to mention that the new pair of headphones will only work in an iDevice.

If Apple really gave a shit, beyond wanting to milk more from their sheep, they'd be using a non-proprietary connection that benefits everybody in the long run.
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Seems like the masses give a shit that their headphones has the word "Beats" on them. Guess what Apple bought.
 
The hilarious bit is that all this is based on rumours of questionable accuracy. I wouldn't be surprised if they're legit, but watch as the iPhone 7 shows up with a headphone jack... and all that sound and fury is for nothing.
 
If the lightning headphone jack means that it has a built in amp I'd be okay with it.
 
elzeus said:
If the lightning headphone jack means that it has a built in amp I'd be okay with it.
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There are already headphones coming out like this. I look forward to the day we don't have to rely on the phone's amp and get some headphones with something that is either rocking a tri-path or Ti amp.
 
Major inconvenience would be the first thing that would come to my mind. I`d have to basically force myself to carry some sort of adapter for legacy headphone devices while carrying the lightening cable becomes a must for interfacing with computers.

On the upshot though, if Bose finally makes a qc25 wireless version that`d be cool
 
I rarely use the headphone jack and would assume there will be an adapter made to allow standard headphones to be used. It will be a big deal to my kids but not so much to me.
 
I would be glad to get rid of it. I seldom use the headphones, mostly because they are not long enough for me. Would be forced to get a wireless set.

I have the 6 and do not want a phone that is more than 2 yrs old.
 
I'd have to see what alternative they will offer. I'm not a fan of proprietary changes, and I especially won't like it if there isn't some innovation that actually offers an improvement.
 
mls1995 said:
I'd have to see what alternative they will offer. I'm not a fan of proprietary changes, and I especially won't like it if there isn't some innovation that actually offers an improvement.
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USB already offers many improvements over the legacy stereo. The only issue people have with this move is they can't use their current headphones without using a converter.
 
There is also a rumor that Apple would go with USB Type-C instead of lightning. If it's usb, would this be more acceptable?
 
CHANG3D said:
There is also a rumor that Apple would go with USB Type-C instead of lightning. If it's usb, would this be more acceptable?
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I don't see that happening, it wouldn't really make sense.

As for OP, I really couldn't care less. I have some earbuds that wouldn't be usable anymore, but they aren't in the best shape anymore anyways. The next pair I'm getting will be wireless.
 
CHANG3D said:
There is also a rumor that Apple would go with USB Type-C instead of lightning. If it's usb, would this be more acceptable?
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USB type C connector is inferior to the Lightning connector as it posses a greater risk to break.
 
-Strelok- said:
I have some earbuds that wouldn't be usable anymore, but they aren't in the best shape anymore anyways. The next pair I'm getting will be wireless.
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See this? The sort of headphones you would use on an iPhone are perishable goods. The various IEMs I've used last a few years, maybe even five years, but sooner or later, no matter how well you take care of them, they break down. That's not even planned obsolescence, it's the nature of the beast - the human ear is a hostile environment. Sweat, ear wax, hair, cable stress, and the requirement to be comfortable in the ear.

5 to 10 years from now, everyone will have bought new headphones for their phones. The 3.5mm jack doesn't need to be a part of that. We can do better. Kids being born now will laugh at films and TV shows that show people listening to music through wires like we laugh at mobile phones that were the size and weight of bricks.
 
Honestly it's pretty amazing the 3.5mm has lasted this long, even when it was released it was terrible but it allowed super small devices to interconnect ... much like the mini/micro sub ports.
 
With Apple firmly promoting USB Type-C in their macbook even before usb type-c was ready (IMHO) last year, I don't see why it's "impossible" for Apple to switch to usb type-c (thunderbolt) in at least iPhone 8 if not the iPhone 7/7s.
 
CHANG3D said:
With Apple firmly promoting USB Type-C in their macbook even before usb type-c was ready (IMHO) last year, I don't see why it's "impossible" for Apple to switch to usb type-c (thunderbolt) in at least iPhone 8 if not the iPhone 7/7s.
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Because that would force them to actually support a universal standard on their iPhone.
 
I'm not sure yet. Unless there's a good external DAC/Amp to convert to 3.5mm for my headphones, probably not. I tend to use my phone a lot to listen to music or watch videos, so I need headphones, and I ended up spending quite a lot on my last pair. I'm not about to buy ANOTHER pair of headphones just to use my phone...
 
Sure why not. My LG Tone headphones go with me everywhere anyways, and I have yet to run out of battery. The right earbud on my first pair met an unfortunate demise by falling into a mojito, but I got a new pair for Christmas :)
I've been spoiled with bluetooth at this point and could never go back to wired. Way too many sets have been eaten by the washing machine because I stuffed them in a pocket and forgot them. Then there are the ones that broke because they would get caught on something, like the handle of the mower when I'm mowing the yard.
I'm ready for the analog 3.5 jack to go the way of the computer serial and parallel ports!
 
I think most people are grossly overestimating how much this matters.

#1) As evilsofa mentioned IEMS don't last all that long. If you're a constant user, even one that takes care of them, likely you'll have to replace headphones once every 3ish years.

#2) THE BIGGEST ONE EVERYONE HAS BEEN MISSING: Apple takes their music distribution strategy extremely seriously. Ever since the iPhone has launched, even the original 2G, the iPhone has always come with a set of earbuds that contain a mic. Why does anyone think that this version would be any different? You get a "free" pair of headphones anyway. 99% of people NEVER bother to "upgrade" from Apple's original set. I literally can't think of anyone I know that owns an iPhone and uses a non-OEM set.
You can see plenty of people with standard white iPhone IEMs basically anywhere you look... enough so that seeing the white is like branding for Apple. I guarantee that the 7, even if it should eliminate the jack, will still ship with a set of headphones and the big deal that everyone makes this out to be will be absolutely pointless.

#3) Most people using phones for professional purposes are using bluetooth headsets. Which are bluetooth... which means the jack doesn't matter anyway. And of course there are plenty of bluetooth headphones which will work just fine that tons of people will also continue to be fine with.

#4) Adapters. Maybe not the most elegant solution, but a 3" adapter will not add significant bulk or weight to a set of heaphones, and if you're going to complain about that than seriously I don't know what to do for you. Some people are "guessing" that they'll gouge some amount, but even at $25 for an official Apple one it wouldn't be the end of the world.
Also, you can be sure that there will be tons of third party adapters in the range of $5. Hello Monoprice.


In conclusion some people will get their panties in a twist. They'll be the extremely upset. For 99% of users it really won't matter as they won't upgrade their headphones anyway, and if you're using a "special" set, then there's always an adapter and/or bluetooth.
 
Haven't used the headphones in a phone for a long time. I listen to the music from it, when streaming to my car audio or some other device. And for the real cans, I'd rather get something small, wireless, like that LG set that you put on your neck. They can get rid of the 3,5 mm port anytime for me.
 
I'll probably get one for an upgrade to my work cell (iPhone 6). I skipped on the 6s b/c I didn't see the need to upgrade. It not having it doesn't bother me one bit b/c I've never used it on my iPhone 6. I do think it's kinda dumb they are replacing it though.
 
Smashed Ixnay said:
I'll probably get one for an upgrade to my work cell (iPhone 6). I skipped on the 6s b/c I didn't see the need to upgrade. It not having it doesn't bother me one bit b/c I've never used it on my iPhone 6. I do think it's kinda dumb they are replacing it though.
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Gotta repeat: the headphone jack thing is a rumor. Let's not say it's a definite thing until we at least see corroboration from major separate sources (like, say, the Wall Street Journal or a trustworthy prototype leak). I'm not going to rule it out, but I can't help but picture Apple unveiling an iPhone 7 with a headphone jack and promptly embarrassing everyone who was 'sure' it wouldn't have one.
 
I never use the headphone jack. My iphone connects to my car and home speakers via bluetooth. I prefer a shuffle/nano for yard work and the gym where I do use headphones. I could care less about a thinner phone though. I would like to see better battery life instead.
 
It might bother me since I use my cans fairly frequently. However, if they bundle an adapter or something I guess it wouldn't really bother me much.
 
Apple zealots will put up with anything if apple removes the 3.5 inch jack people will just pony up for millions of adapters.

evilsofa said:
Apple's move is spurring the high-end guys to make better wireless headphones. What if they actually end up being better than the wired ones? No wires means no tangling and no microphonics and a big increase in durability. If you still insist on a wire, you'll also be seeing new Lightning headphones, some with their own amps and DACs.

I know some of you are pissed that Apple is trying to kill the 3.5mm jack and they might actually do it because they're good at killing legacy stuff. But are you really sorry that the floppy disk is gone? That all the legacy ports that existed before USB are gone? That the CD/DVD drive is nearly gone? The 3.5mm jack predates all this stuff by many decades, was never meant for portability in the modern sense, and you are all too familiar with the problems with it.
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I don't think apple is good at killing stuff they just bring more stuff people have to deal with. Apple has come out with tons of standards that never took over and never became anything but a nuisance. Android makers are not going to ditch the 3.5 mm jack. Some might try to come up with their own custom jacks but we wont see anything but fragmentation of the ecosystem. Apple is just the new sony, always trying to create a format.
 
rudy said:
I don't think apple is good at killing stuff they just bring more stuff people have to deal with. Apple has come out with tons of standards that never took over and never became anything but a nuisance. Android makers are not going to ditch the 3.5 mm jack. Some might try to come up with their own custom jacks but we wont see anything but fragmentation of the ecosystem. Apple is just the new sony, always trying to create a format.
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Tons? Really? I'm not sure that claim flies.

Apple's main hardware-based standards in the Jobs and Cook eras have been FireWire, Mini DisplayPort, Thunderbolt and USB-C. Yes, those last three count -- it's well-known that Apple was instrumental in shaping them. FireWire didn't really take off outside of Macs, but the rest all have a decent foothold... heck, Razer is releasing a gaming laptop (the Blade Stealth) whose central feature revolves around Thunderbolt 3.

There is a question as to whether or not requiring Lightning for wired headphones would take off, but again... I want to see hard evidence that the headphone jack is disappearing in the first place. I'm prepared to accept that it's true, but I'll laugh heartily if leaks end up showing that 3.5mm port.
 
How is a foot hold killing technology.

HDMI is showing up on more and more devices since miniDP should have killed DVI, seems the opposite. Thunderbolt still not doing much. USB-C wake me up when they even put it on their own phones. All apple does is screw shit up with their market share and stop standards from really taking over the market quite the opposite of what you claim.
 
DP is essentially the best monitor connection right now
Thunderbolt is the defacto interconnect of external devices, especially in the enterprise sector and storage devices
USB-C is pretty badass, also new and already on motherboards and some laptops. Its rumored that the current lightning adaptor was the inspiration behind it

Aurelius said:
Tons? Really? I'm not sure that claim flies.

Apple's main hardware-based standards in the Jobs and Cook eras have been FireWire, Mini DisplayPort, Thunderbolt and USB-C. Yes, those last three count -- it's well-known that Apple was instrumental in shaping them. FireWire didn't really take off outside of Macs, but the rest all have a decent foothold... heck, Razer is releasing a gaming laptop (the Blade Stealth) whose central feature revolves around Thunderbolt 3.

There is a question as to whether or not requiring Lightning for wired headphones would take off, but again... I want to see hard evidence that the headphone jack is disappearing in the first place. I'm prepared to accept that it's true, but I'll laugh heartily if leaks end up showing that 3.5mm port.
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FireWire was the best external connection for its time but Apple fucked itself by locking the connection down too hard and charging WAY too much for it.

I wouldn't buy a headset that used a lightning adaptor, but I'd be fine to use a USB headset. I plan on buying one anyways, the stereo jack is too ancient and we are finally starting to see headsets using USB. Maybe we'll see a USB-C headset before too long.

As for wireless headsets, Apple would have to redefine how BT does music sampling and its bit rate.
 
Nope, wouldn't bother me, even less if the phone comes with a set of them.

UnknownSouljer said:
I think most people are grossly overestimating how much this matters.

#1) As evilsofa mentioned IEMS don't last all that long. If you're a constant user, even one that takes care of them, likely you'll have to replace headphones once every 3ish years.

#2) THE BIGGEST ONE EVERYONE HAS BEEN MISSING: Apple takes their music distribution strategy extremely seriously. Ever since the iPhone has launched, even the original 2G, the iPhone has always come with a set of earbuds that contain a mic. Why does anyone think that this version would be any different? You get a "free" pair of headphones anyway. 99% of people NEVER bother to "upgrade" from Apple's original set. I literally can't think of anyone I know that owns an iPhone and uses a non-OEM set.
You can see plenty of people with standard white iPhone IEMs basically anywhere you look... enough so that seeing the white is like branding for Apple. I guarantee that the 7, even if it should eliminate the jack, will still ship with a set of headphones and the big deal that everyone makes this out to be will be absolutely pointless.

#3) Most people using phones for professional purposes are using bluetooth headsets. Which are bluetooth... which means the jack doesn't matter anyway. And of course there are plenty of bluetooth headphones which will work just fine that tons of people will also continue to be fine with.

#4) Adapters. Maybe not the most elegant solution, but a 3" adapter will not add significant bulk or weight to a set of heaphones, and if you're going to complain about that than seriously I don't know what to do for you. Some people are "guessing" that they'll gouge some amount, but even at $25 for an official Apple one it wouldn't be the end of the world.
Also, you can be sure that there will be tons of third party adapters in the range of $5. Hello Monoprice.


In conclusion some people will get their panties in a twist. They'll be the extremely upset. For 99% of users it really won't matter as they won't upgrade their headphones anyway, and if you're using a "special" set, then there's always an adapter and/or bluetooth.
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People are making a big deal about it because its Apple that is doing it. If it were an Android phone maker doing it, they'd be laughing that Apple didn't do it first.
 
OEM said:
Nope, wouldn't bother me, even less if the phone comes with a set of them.



People are making a big deal about it because its Apple that is doing it. If it were an Android phone maker doing it, they'd be laughing that Apple didn't do it first.
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I think the issue is that non-Apple users keep trying to make Apple products into something they are not. If you are invested in the Apple ecosystem, everything works perfectly with each other. I don't care if my phone doesn't use micro-usb, I have a bunch of lightning cables already.
 
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