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Question about router.

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Currently, I've got 4 rigs at home that are jacked into my cable connection by an smc barricade router. Sadly, it seems that my router has died "In the line of duty" leaving my rigs unable to transmit their wu's until I can afford to buy a router. Here is where I call upon the ingenuity of my [H]orde brothers for help:

Is there a way to throw a couple of old nic cards I have into one of the rigs and turn that into a router while still running xp so I can fold on it?

I appreciate any advice you offer - Aratech

Fold on!!!
 
You could setup a Smoothwall or IPcop box. Both should run on a very modest box (like P-Pro).

If they are running XP, you could use the ICS feature though the host would be a bit naked.
 
dirtydr said:
You could setup a Smoothwall or IPcop box. Both should run on a very modest box (like P-Pro).
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The one I was thinking of using has a P3 600 w\768mb ram and room for 4 more nic cards.

dirtydr said:
If they are running XP, you could use the ICS feature though the host would be a bit naked.
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Wouldnt the windows firewall and the installed av program protect the host?
 
Ahh, thats plenty of horsepower for either of those firewalls. Smoothwall runs slightly piggy on my P-Pro, 32Mb, 1.2GB. Either should run seamless on a box of that spec.

Sure, to the extent that you trust Windows firewall and your AV of choice :) . Countless people run straight out of their DSL/Cable modems into their boxes.

 
dirtydr said:
Sure, to the extent that you trust Windows firewall and your AV of choice :) . Countless people run straight out of their DSL/Cable modems into their boxes.
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Well, I can set an upper bound on that ;) Take total number of people and subtract me. I believe in security by design, layered defense, that kind of thing. One firewall doesn't cut it for me. At one point I had three NAT layers between the internet and me.

 
dirtydr said:
You could setup a Smoothwall or IPcop box. Both should run on a very modest box (like P-Pro).

If they are running XP, you could use the ICS feature though the host would be a bit naked.
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I would go with IPCop or Smoothwall over XP's ICS. You dont need Win XP to fold ;), just follow the guide on hardfolding to setup folding on your linux based firewall when you put it together. In fact, there's even an addon for IPCop that makes setting folding up that much faster, and lets you monitor progress on the firewall's web server.
You would still need a switch to attach multiple boxes to your NAT firewall box though.
 
Fully agreed. I dont have much faith in the windows firewall other than it being an extra layer. Odd that you mentioned 3 nats to get out. Same here while I was testing out the smoothie. Back down to 2 now though.

Also Aratech I forgot to mention you might need a switch with either of the dedicated solutions. Not sure if/how multiple green (lan) interfaces work because I havent tried it.

...And on second thought, unless you've already got crossovers or the ability to make them, it would be cheaper to buy a $15 8-port switch and go wan>firewallbox>switch>clients. Otherwise you will need crossover cables for every nic>nic connection.


 
Definitely makes more sense to get a switch. Setting up Nic-->crossover-->nic-->crossover for several machines is a much less elegant solution, with far more potential points of failure.
Its worth setting up in my opinion though. It will be much more stable than your than any consumer-grade NAT router, and has far more features than most routers (eg. Time Server, Traffic Shaping, Transparent proxy server, etc)
 
I had three machines doing NAT between me and the outside world, each with their own private IP subnet, etc. So to get to me, a packet had its address changed three times.
 
unhappy_mage said:
I had three machines doing NAT between me and the outside world, each with their own private IP subnet, etc. So to get to me, a packet had its address changed three times.
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maybe you need a girl friend or something.

 
Yeah we regularly setup clients at work with a dual nat setup. Saves us from having to give a public ip to the WAN and LAN interfaces on the CSU.

 
Is the router totally dead? If it still powers up, and you can acces the setup on it, you could use it as a switch. Turn off DHCP and give it a non conflicting address and it should work.

 
seapirate said:
Is the router totally dead? If it still powers up, and you can acces the setup on it, you could use it as a switch. Turn off DHCP and give it a non conflicting address and it should work.
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Well...here's what its doing. It powers up and all the lights blink yellow for a few seconds and then go green including the wan but there is no connection to the internet available. The computers show "connected to the network" and can see each other. I tried a new cable from the modem to the router but it didnt work. I tried reseting the router and modem so they would "sync" per the cable company and that didnt work either. I am able to get to the internet from each system if I connect the modem directly.

About ICS... I put an extra nic in the P3 600 and enabled connection sharing. That allowed me to have 2 systems online at the same time. Can I just keep adding nics to the same system until I have enough to jacks for all the boxen? If so, will installing a prog like zone alarm on the host provide better protection than the default windows firewall?


BillR said:
You didn’t say if you had any sort of budget to work with at the moment, but my router died last night too and I found a Linksys wrt54g at CC for 49.95.

Just a thought if that’s in your range.
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Thanks but my budget is pretty much $0 right now. I think KodiakStar has a netgear router he is selling in his dc ft\fs thread. Maybe I can sell some stuff from my old fs thread to make some $$. I guess I'll go bump it up.:p
 
I would suggest just using the router as a switch for now. Plug the ICS-using box into one of the LAN ports and the rest of the boxes into the other LAN ports.
 
Mohonri said:
I would suggest just using the router as a switch for now. Plug the ICS-using box into one of the LAN ports and the rest of the boxes into the other LAN ports.
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I would second this. Use one computer for your gateway to the internet and use the router as your switch. You already have all you need, a little configuring and you will be back up. You will need to access the router and disable DHCP and make sure it has a non conflicting LAN ip.

 
Thanks for all of your help and advice.The problem has been solved by a generous fellow member of our team who sent me a linksys router. Thanks ICE_ 9
 
Aratech said:
Currently, I've got 4 rigs at home that are jacked into my cable connection by an smc barricade router. Sadly, it seems that my router has died "In the line of duty" leaving my rigs unable to transmit their wu's until I can afford to buy a router.
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Quick! Someone get this man a router!

Id give you mine but its a steaming pile of crap that freezes every time you cut a loud fart, or every time the ambient air temperatures get over 70.

edit : nevermind :eek:
 
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