Q8200 temps

[courtney01]

I did some searching online and generally people were saying that a load temp of no more than about 70 celsius is normal. I'm running intelburn test (with the side case panel removed too) and according to realtemp, the Q8200 maxes at about 79, 71, 75, 74 so I'm thinking something's wrong. It also idles at around 54, 38, 44, 45. I'm especially thinking something's wrong because my E8400 build runs very, very cool, more cool than it being a dual core would normally justify (or so I think? how much hotter is a quad supposed to run?). Is something wrong with the Q8200? Should I reseat the HSF? I feel the temps are too high, especially since this is the temp while my case is wide open during the test.

I'm using the stock HSF, but I removed the stock thermal paste and applied my own OCZ freeze. I put a rice sized drop in the middle and squished it with the HSF. I did not overclock anything.

 

[Zero82z]

IntelBurnTest will load your CPU significantly more than any other task would. Plus, even those temps are fine, even though they're a bit high. There's nothing to worry about. In fact, it is quite literally impossible to damage your CPU with high temperatures because it has built-in thermal protection features that will shut it off before it reaches levels that will cause it to incur damage.

So basically, you're completely fine.

 

[courtney01]

IntelBurnTest will load your CPU significantly more than any other task would. Plus, even those temps are fine, even though they're a bit high. There's nothing to worry about. In fact, it is quite literally impossible to damage your CPU with high temperatures because it has built-in thermal protection features that will shut it off before it reaches levels that will cause it to incur damage.

So basically, you're completely fine.

I see. Once I close the side panel, isn't it just going to get hotter when it's already a bit high right now like you said? And I was also running the test at night so the ambient air is quite cold. So both these factors could mislead me in what temps would be like under normal usage. I understand normal usage won't stress my CPU like intelburn test, so I'm just thinking about the high idle temps since everything from there is just going to get hotter. I know it's fine and that if the temps become bad it will automatically shut off, but what about the long term effects of excess heat- if my CPU is getting more heat than necessary wouldn't that decrease its lifespan? Would reseating the HSF make any difference in this case? How much of a temp drop would I see if I do that and reapply a smaller amount of TIM?

When you say my temps are a bit high, what set of idle and IBT load temps would you say are good?

 

[Deleted member 184142]

You can try reapplying the TIM and see if it helps but there is no way to know for sure. If you do, check and see how well the TIM spread on the CPU and HS. Also being that the Q8xxx have a TJMax of 100C you are well within safe range, even if the temps are a bit on the warm side. And about putting the side back on, that all matters on how well vented the case is.

 

[Zero82z]

Once I close the side panel, isn't it just going to get hotter when it's already a bit high right now like you said?

Maybe a little bit hotter, but probably not much. Still nothing to worry about.

I understand normal usage won't stress my CPU like intelburn test, so I'm just thinking about the high idle temps since everything from there is just going to get hotter.

The thing about idle temps is that they really don't matter at all. Even if your idle temps are a bit higher than normal idle temps, it still doesn't change anything unless they're really abnormally high.

I know it's fine and that if the temps become bad it will automatically shut off, but what about the long term effects of excess heat- if my CPU is getting more heat than necessary wouldn't that decrease its lifespan?

It wouldn't decrease the lifespan substantially. These processors are designed to last well past their useful life.

Would reseating the HSF make any difference in this case? How much of a temp drop would I see if I do that and reapply a smaller amount of TIM?

It might reduce your temps, but there's no way to know for sure without actually trying it.

When you say my temps are a bit high, what set of idle and IBT load temps would you say are good?

I said your temps are high, but I never said that they weren't good. My definition of "good" is comfortably far away from Tjmax, which is 100C for your CPU. 20-25C or more away from Tjmax is my comfort zone.

 

[courtney01]

Ok, I got it. I'll leave it for now. If it gets worse, maybe I'll consider reapplying the TIM. Thanks

There's a 120mm intake in the front and a 120mm exhaust in the back that came with the case. If you see the picture on newegg, there's 2 vents on the top and 2 on the side panel. What would be the best configuration to get good airflow?

 

[Deleted member 184142]

Ok, I got it. I'll leave it for now. If it gets worse, maybe I'll consider reapplying the TIM. Thanks

Cooler Master Centurion 590 is my case: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119152

There's a 120mm intake in the front and a 120mm exhaust in the back that came with the case. I bought 2 more 120mm fans also. If you see the picture on newegg, there's 2 vents on the top and 2 on the side panel. What would be the best configuration to get good airflow?

We know the case, we both have it.

Best for you to experiment with your set up for what works the best for your temps. I have two intake fans in the front and the top/rear as exhaust and another intake on the side, I have heard many people say that a fan on the side disrupts the air flow in the case, but after trying many set ups I have yet to see my case temps go up from the side fan, however I do get a good deal lower temps on my video card with the side fan, as it blows right over it.

 

[Zero82z]

There's a 120mm intake in the front and a 120mm exhaust in the back that came with the case. I bought 2 more 120mm fans also. If you see the picture on newegg, there's 2 vents on the top and 2 on the side panel. What would be the best configuration to get good airflow?

The best configuration is actually to rig a second intake fan in three unused front drive bays, and then stick the second fan either on the side panel as an intake or on top as an exhaust.

 

[courtney01]

We know the case, we both have it.

Best for you to experiment with your set up for what works the best for your temps. I have two intake fans in the front and the top/rear as exhaust and another intake on the side, I have heard many people say that a fan on the side disrupts the air flow in the case, but after trying many set ups I have yet to see my case temps go up from the side fan, however I do get a good deal lower temps on my video card with the side fan, as it blows right over it.

The best configuration is actually to rig a second intake fan in three unused front drive bays, and then stick the second fan either on the side panel as an intake or on top as an exhaust.

I'm going to have an EVGA 9800gt installed, so maybe I should get a 3rd fan so I can put intakes in the front and lower side, and an exhaust in the upper back one. What size should I get for the 3rd fan?

I also really hate the blue leds in the front fan. I read online you can cut the wire to the led, but how do I know which one it is, and will it ruin any other function on the fan, or is the wire only for the led?

Bluefireice, do you have any words of wisdom to a new owner of the Centurion 590?

EDIT: Oops, when bluefireice said "we both" have the case, I misunderstood and thought you were referring to yourself and me, not you and zero82z. So if zero82z has any tidbits about the case after owning it for a while, I'd love to hear it too.

 

[Deleted member 184142]

I'm going to have an EVGA 9800gt installed, so maybe I should get a 3rd fan so I can put intakes in the front and lower side, and an exhaust in the upper back one. What size should I get for the 3rd fan?

I also really hate the blue leds in the front fan. I read online you can cut the wire to the led, but how do I know which one it is, and will it ruin any other function on the fan, or is the wire only for the led?

Bluefireice, do you have any words of wisdom to a new owner of the Centurion 590?

EDIT: Oops, when bluefireice said "we both" have the case, I misunderstood and thought you were referring to yourself and me, not you and zero82z. So if zero82z has any tidbits about the case after owning it for a while, I'd love to hear it too.

Words of wisdom...Hmm...More like words of people with to much free time, you could always paint the inside...Like me. You could cut out the restrictive fan grills and put in something a bit more free flowing (next on my list). Umm...Keep it off the floor if you have the PSU fan mounted at the bottom, or make a filter like I did. As far as fan size, 120mm are the easiest to come across and the cheapest, even though the side/top will take up to 140mm. Other than that I think it's a great case as is, though I do wish the top mounts were closer together so a dual rad would fit, but you can't have everything.

 

[courtney01]

Words of wisdom...Hmm...More like words of people with to much free time, you could always paint the inside...Like me. You could cut out the restrictive fan grills and put in something a bit more free flowing (next on my list). Umm...Keep it off the floor if you have the PSU fan mounted at the bottom, or make a filter like I did. As far as fan size, 120mm are the easiest to come across and the cheapest, even though the side/top will take up to 140mm. Other than that I think it's a great case as is, though I do wish the top mounts were closer together so a dual rad would fit, but you can't have everything.

I think the only thing I'm going to do is make some filters out of old stockings, the really thin kinds, and place them over each intake hole. That won't ruin the airflow coming in right?

I was also trying to connect the front fan to the mobo, but I noticed that the fan's connector has 3 holes while the connector on the motherboard has 4 pins. Is it ok to connect it there? It's the only place to put it I think, but I just want to check before I do.

For the blue led fan that came with the case, I looked at it more carefully and I noticed that there are 4 sets of wires coming out from the center, so it looks like an X. Are those the wires to the LED? Each set has a black and blue wire. Do I cut both or just one? Or are these not even the LED wires?

 

[Zero82z]

I think the only thing I'm going to do is make some filters out of old stockings, the really thin kinds, and place them over each intake hole. That won't ruin the airflow coming in right?

It won't, but it's unnecessary for the front intakes since the entire front panel is already filtered. That would only be helpful for a side intake fan, and for the PSU intake port.

I was also trying to connect the front fan to the mobo, but I noticed that the fan's connector has 3 holes while the connector on the motherboard has 4 pins. Is it ok to connect it there? It's the only place to put it I think, but I just want to check before I do.

The four-pin fan connector on your motherboard is for the CPU fan. There should also be three-pin connectors in other locations along the board. Just look around until you spot them. You can also connect the fan straight to the PSU if you have a 3-pin to molex adapter.

For the blue led fan that came with the case, I looked at it more carefully and I noticed that there are 4 sets of wires coming out from the center, so it looks like an X. Are those the wires to the LED? Each set has a black and blue wire. Do I cut both or just one? Or are these not even the LED wires?

I just took a look, and yes, those blue and black wires connect to the LEDs.

 

[courtney01]

The four-pin fan connector on your motherboard is for the CPU fan. There should also be three-pin connectors in other locations along the board. Just look around until you spot them. You can also connect the fan straight to the PSU if you have a 3-pin to molex adapter.

I actually already have the CPU fan connected to a 4 pin connector. There just happens to be another 4 pin fan connector. There are 4 connectors on the board, one is already connected to the cpu, the other to the rear exhaust fan (labeled as sys_fan1), and the 2 that are left are labeled as pwr_fan (3 pin) and and sys_fan2 (4 pin, and closest to the front fan)

I just took a look, and yes, those blue and black wires connect to the LEDs.

Ok, so it's just simply a matter of snipping the black and blue wires at all 4 locations right?

 

[tlc4tvm]

What bothers me most is the difference between the cores at idle...
54, 38, 44, 45

First use coretemp.exe and see if you have the same temperatures.

Second consider lapping the bottom of your heatsink, you should be able to do better than that.

If your not overclocking no problem as long as it's not crashing etc.

The other thing you may wish to do is get a dual slot cooler. Consider getting the 9800GTX+ they are pretty cheap right now, value for the money is very good with those cards.

 

[Zero82z]

I actually already have the CPU fan connected to a 4 pin connector. There just happens to be another 4 pin fan connector. There are 4 connectors on the board, one is already connected to the cpu, the other to the rear exhaust fan (labeled as sys_fan1), and the 2 that are left are labeled as pwr_fan (3 pin) and and sys_fan2 (4 pin, and closest to the front fan)

In that case, you can plug it into that fan header with no problems.

Ok, so it's just simply a matter of snipping the black and blue wires at all 4 locations right?

Yeah, that should do it.

What bothers me most is the difference between the cores at idle...
54, 38, 44, 45

It shouldn't bother you. That is perfectly normal behaviour for quad-core CPUs, and has to do mainly with the dual-die approach that Intel uses.

 

[courtney01]

Are the fans on intel's stock HSF for quad cores supposed to be louder during idle than the fans for dual cores? I never noticed how loud the fan for my Q8200 was until I turned off the fan for my video card temporarily. Is the fan for my Q8200 defective or is this normal? Maybe something's wrong with the fan, and that's why my temps are a bit on the high side? I actually redid my HSF and my idle temps now read 49, 32, 37, 40 and load temps (intelburn test) read 72, 61, 66, 66, so idle temps decreased by about 5 on average and load temps decreased by about 10 from the original reading.

 

[Zero82z]

The fans are the same. However, they are speed-controlled based on the temperature of the CPU, so that's probably why the fan is running faster on your quad.

 

[courtney01]

The fans are the same. However, they are speed-controlled based on the temperature of the CPU, so that's probably why the fan is running faster on your quad.

I wish it wasn't so loud. It sounds like a mini motor revving. By the way, the fumes from the TIM isn't toxic is it? After a while I started running intelburn test, I started to smell some fumes in the room. I assume it's from the TIM heating up from the test.

 

[Deleted member 184142]

Lol, what kind of TIM are you using? I have never heard of fumes from TIM.

 

[Zero82z]

I wish it wasn't so loud. It sounds like a mini motor revving. By the way, the fumes from the TIM isn't toxic is it? After a while I started running intelburn test, I started to smell some fumes in the room. I assume it's from the TIM heating up from the test.

I would open that case up and see where the fumes are coming from. And I seriously doubt it's from the TIM, because I've never seen it emit fumes before. Chances are it's just some burning dust or something, although you may have a wire somewhere that's getting its insulation melted off.

 

[courtney01]

Lol, what kind of TIM are you using? I have never heard of fumes from TIM.

I would open that case up and see where the fumes are coming from. And I seriously doubt it's from the TIM, because I've never seen it emit fumes before. Chances are it's just some burning dust or something, although you may have a wire somewhere that's getting its insulation melted off.

Ok I noticed that the CPU fan wire is kind of touching the ram, so maybe that was it. Thanks

 

[courtney01]

I would open that case up and see where the fumes are coming from. And I seriously doubt it's from the TIM, because I've never seen it emit fumes before. Chances are it's just some burning dust or something, although you may have a wire somewhere that's getting its insulation melted off.

I really didn't want to do this, but I had to because there was a very loud buzz coming from what appeared to be my CPU fan. So in order to see if really was that, I had to put my finger on the blade to stop it from spinning for about 4 seconds. Did I just do a very horrible thing? Is the fan going to lose some structural integrity now?

 

[Zero82z]

Ok I noticed that the CPU fan wire is kind of touching the ram, so maybe that was it. Thanks

Touching is fine. Melting is not.

I really didn't want to do this, but I had to because there was a very loud buzz coming from what appeared to be my CPU fan. So in order to see if really was that, I had to put my finger on the blade to stop it from spinning for about 4 seconds. Did I just do a very horrible thing? Is the fan going to lose some structural integrity now?

That's pretty much standard practice. As long as you don't hold it for too long, it's fine.

 

[courtney01]

Melting is not.

Bad for the wire or bad for the RAM that gets melted plastic on it? I assume some of the wire cover came off since it smells, but the wire's not exposed.

 

[Deleted member 184142]

Bad for the wire or bad for the RAM that gets melted plastic on it? I assume some of the wire cover came off since it smells, but the wire's not exposed.

Are you sure the wire melted? I don't see how DDR2 RAM can run hot enough to melt wire insulation. I would think if it did melt it would be more a problem with the wire/fan. Also, it would be bad for both.

 

[Zero82z]

Bad for the wire or bad for the RAM that gets melted plastic on it? I assume some of the wire cover came off since it smells, but the wire's not exposed.

Bad for your health, and slightly bad for the wire in case it becomes exposed. It should be pretty easy to figure out if the wire did actually melt simply by looking at it. I'm not necessarily saying that it did, just that if it did actually melt, it would not be good.

 

[courtney01]

Bad for your health.

Oh no! I'm feeling better today, but is that why for the last 2 days, my lungs and my chest have been hurting and feeling very twisted? How bad is inhaling plastic fumes and how does it harm you?

 

[Zero82z]

Oh no! I'm feeling better today, but is that why for the last 2 days, my lungs and my chest have been hurting and feeling very twisted? How bad is inhaling plastic fumes and how does it harm you?

Okay, first of all, we haven't even established whether or not the insulation actually melted. Secondly, I've inhaled plenty of fumes of various kinds, and I'm still kicking around. It isn't good for you, but it won't kill you either (at least not for a very long time). I really doubt your chest and lung pains are in any way related to computer issues. You're probably just sick.

 

[courtney01]

Okay, first of all, we haven't even established whether or not the insulation actually melted. Secondly, I've inhaled plenty of fumes of various kinds, and I'm still kicking around. It isn't good for you, but it won't kill you either (at least not for a very long time). I really doubt your chest and lung pains are in any way related to computer issues. You're probably just sick.

Ok. I can't really see any melted spots on the wire. How hot does RAM get? Can I touch it? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227269

Even if the plastic doesn't really melt, will making it warm at least make the air smell like plastic a little bit?

I'm pretty sure I'm not sick though. It didn't feel like anything I felt in my whole life, and it happened on the day the smell was the strongest. The symptoms lasted for about a day and a half, and I'm usually sick for a lot longer than that.

 

[Zero82z]

Ok. I can't really see any melted spots on the wire. How hot does RAM get? Can I touch it? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227269

DDR2 RAM is hot to the touch, but probably won't burn you. You can certainly touch it, although I wouldn't suggest holding your finger there for too long.

Even if the plastic doesn't really melt, will making it warm at least make the air smell like plastic a little bit?

Probably not.

I'm pretty sure I'm not sick though. It didn't feel like anything I felt in my whole life, and it happened on the day the smell was the strongest. The symptoms lasted for about a day and a half, and I'm usually sick for a lot longer than that.

Well, I honestly don't know about that. However, the chances of it being caused by that wire are slim.

 

[Deleted member 184142]

Oh no! I'm feeling better today, but is that why for the last 2 days, my lungs and my chest have been hurting and feeling very twisted? How bad is inhaling plastic fumes and how does it harm you?

Depends on the amount/time you breath it for and the type of coating used. Most use PVC (Polyvinyl chloride) the limit for extended exposure is 5 ppm of Hydrogen chloride (what melting/burning PVC puts off), it can cause severe irritation and corrosive burns of eyes, skin and upper respiratory tract, wile acute overexposures can cause the accumulation of fluid in the lungs (pulmonary edema). And if you happen to live in the State of California it's also known to cause cancer...Along with air...

If your wondering at my last job I also had to maintain all the MSDS's and PVC coated wire happened to be one of them. Wile it's not something to be overly worried about, at 3124 ppm/1Hour it's known to kill rats (Inhalation LC50), so it's also not something you want to willingly be breathing if you don't have to.

 

[courtney01]

Just wondering, how come some people with Q6600 have a load temp of almost 10 degrees cooler than my Q8200 (about 70 vs 60)?

 

[courtney01]

Depends on the amount/time you breath it for and the type of coating used. Most use PVC (Polyvinyl chloride) the limit for extended exposure is 5 ppm of Hydrogen chloride (what melting/burning PVC puts off), it can cause severe irritation and corrosive burns of eyes, skin and upper respiratory tract, wile acute overexposures can cause the accumulation of fluid in the lungs (pulmonary edema). And if you happen to live in the State of California it's also known to cause cancer...Along with air...

If your wondering at my last job I also had to maintain all the MSDS's and PVC coated wire happened to be one of them. Wile it's not something to be overly worried about, at 3124 ppm/1Hour it's known to kill rats (Inhalation LC50), so it's also not something you want to willingly be breathing if you don't have to.

Hm, my skin and eyes seemed ok, but my upper respiratory tract and lungs felt very filled and congested. It's the wire on the stock intel cooler, and I've been inhaling whatever it is for almost 2 days now.

 

[Deleted member 184142]

Hm, my skin and eyes seemed ok, but my upper respiratory tract and lungs felt very filled and congested.

Well, from how small the wires are and how little fume output would have been (if it was even coming from the wire) I am doubting anything is wrong with you, some people are just more sensitive when it comes to showing symptoms.

 

[Zero82z]

Just wondering, how come some people with Q6600 have a load temp of almost 10 degrees cooler than my Q8200 (about 70 vs 60)?

Among other factors, the Q6600 stock cooler is quite a bit larger than the one included with the Q8200.

 

[courtney01]

Among other factors, the Q6600 stock cooler is quite a bit smaller than the one included with the Q8200.

So smaller HSF means cooler temps?

 

[Zero82z]

So smaller HSF means cooler temps?

No, sorry. It's the other way around. The Q6600 stock cooler is much larger than the Q8200 stock cooler.