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PS3 Still Using 90nm Chips

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Rich Tate

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The new 40gb model PS3 is still using the same 90nm chips as previous designs. They do however plan on making the move to 65nm eventually.

We'd been hearing that Sony's new 40GB PS3 featured a revised design with a 65nm Cell processor and improved cooling, but sadly it looks like those reports were in error –
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I have to wonder if Sony is "recycling" some of the units that were returned as "defective" when it introduced the 40GB model? Hopefully they feature a quality BR drive so it can be used as a stand alone Blue Ray player. Yes it's still kind of expensive for my tastes. But Blue Ray is supposed to be popular. (I think I'll stick with my upscaling DVD player! Ironically that is also a Sony product...)
 
Cannydog said:
I have to wonder if Sony is "recycling" some of the units that were returned as "defective" when it introduced the 40GB model? Hopefully they feature a quality BR drive so it can be used as a stand alone Blue Ray player. Yes it's still kind of expensive for my tastes. But Blue Ray is supposed to be popular. (I think I'll stick with my upscaling DVD player! Ironically that is also a Sony product...)
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get yourself a $99 hd dvd player, with 5 free movies.
 
Overpriced. I laugh. The PS3 is the least expensive Blu-ray player on the market, and hosts hundreds of other neat features. Plus you get to play really good games. IMO,the PS3 will have a higher advantage until 360 releases a version with a hd-dvd player prebuilt. Then they can start launching games on larger disc, allowing more room for content. I can't wait really for it to become more of a PC thing.

I mean, less compression in games. Why not.
 
kinson said:
Overpriced. I laugh. The PS3 is the least expensive Blu-ray player on the market, and hosts hundreds of other neat features. Plus you get to play really good games. IMO,the PS3 will have a higher advantage until 360 releases a version with a hd-dvd player prebuilt. Then they can start launching games on larger disc, allowing more room for content. I can't wait really for it to become more of a PC thing.

I mean, less compression in games. Why not.
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You can get a HDDVD player with 10 movies for $200, or possibly 7 movies for $100 on Black Friday. The only reason Bluray is still in the running is that people were forced to take a Bluray player when they bought their PS3s.
 
Nemesis999 said:
You can get a HDDVD player with 10 movies for $200, or possibly 7 movies for $100 on Black Friday. The only reason Bluray is still in the running is that people were forced to take a Bluray player when they bought their PS3s.
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Nobody was forced to take Blu-ray when they bought their PS3. They knew very well before buying Sony put Blu-ray tech in the unit. You make it sound like someone put a gun to their head. lol This is from a HD DVD and Blu-ray owner. Let the best format win! :)
 
Nemesis999 said:
You can get a HDDVD player with 10 movies for $200, or possibly 7 movies for $100 on Black Friday. The only reason Bluray is still in the running is that people were forced to take a Bluray player when they bought their PS3s.
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If you think the only reason Blu-ray is still in the HD media race is because of the PS3, you might want to go look at some other facts first. I will say that the PS3 is a strong reason for Blu-ray's lead (at times) in the HD media fight, but even without it Blu-ray would still be going (as strong, maybe, maybe not).
 
Whats funny is both of you think the average consumer gives a shit about moving to a new HD movie format.

DVD's took off because they were smaller and they don't require rewinding. The better image/audio quality was a secondary benefit.

HDTV market penetration is growing but conventional TVs and regular DVD players are still going to be the norm for a long, long time. And I don't forsee either format really 'winning'. The most likely outcome is that the vast majority of consumers continue using conventional DVD until dual format HD players are available for $100.
 
theDreamer said:
If you think the only reason Blu-ray is still in the HD media race is because of the PS3, you might want to go look at some other facts first. I will say that the PS3 is a strong reason for Blu-ray's lead (at times) in the HD media fight, but even without it Blu-ray would still be going (as strong, maybe, maybe not).
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HDDVD drives outnumber Non-PS3 Bluray drives 3:1.
 
nigerian_businessman said:
Whats funny is both of you think the average consumer gives a shit about moving to a new HD movie format.

DVD's took off because they were smaller and they don't require rewinding. The better image/audio quality was a secondary benefit.

HDTV market penetration is growing but conventional TVs and regular DVD players are still going to be the norm for a long, long time. And I don't forsee either format really 'winning'. The most likely outcome is that the vast majority of consumers continue using conventional DVD until dual format HD players are available for $100.
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When did I say the "average" consumer cares about HD media? I was only comparing Blu-ray to HD-DVD media. DVDs will be the format for probably a good three (or more) years, but it does not mean a HD media can be picked also so when the majority is switched the market is already set. Will this happen, probably not, but until the majority is swayed to HD media we will just have to wait.

Either way, this thread is about the PS3 still using the 90nm chips, which as it seems are working for them so them switching to 65nm now may not be a good price move, considering the problems they are still having.
 
Nemesis999 said:
HDDVD drives outnumber Non-PS3 Bluray drives 3:1.
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Source?
Also, you can sell a 100 billion HD-DVD drives, but it is a two part game, you also need to sell the media. Which currently Blu-ray has a slight edge, next week it may shift but maybe not.
 
The media will follow the cheapest player, which is shaping up to be HD-DVD. However, neither will have any decent market penetration until a standard is decided upon, not by the consumer, but by the movie studios. It's a catch 22. Dual format will most likely lead the way, although HD-DVD is probably going to win the format war eventually if only because of the lower price.
 
I agree with what nigerian_businessman said about DVD taking off successfully because of convience that tapes performed poorly in, namely size and rewinding/fast-forwarding/chapter-skipping.

HD-DVD and BluRay needs to convince the customer more on why they should give up a proven format (DVD) and move to High Definition. I think the only way they can force the customer to give up DVD is to take it away. Stop making DVD players and eventually stop renting DVDs in video stores.

It's too unrealistic, but it'll inevitablly happen sooner or later.
 
And what happens when they start selling Blu-ray players cheaper? They were twice the price a year ago or so, and they are getting cheaper, although not as much as the HD-DVD players.
Just because something is cheaper doesn't mean it's better. The 360 is cheaper and atm has better games, but it's had major problems (RRoD) compared to the PS3 imho. Even the most diehard fanboy has to at least admit the PS3 has had a lot less problems.
I like both systems, and will get a 360 when they finally nail down the RRoD problem for good.
 
kamxam said:
And what happens when they start selling Blu-ray players cheaper? They were twice the price a year ago or so, and they are getting cheaper, although not as much as the HD-DVD players.
Just because something is cheaper doesn't mean it's better. The 360 is cheaper and atm has better games, but it's had major problems (RRoD) compared to the PS3 imho. Even the most diehard fanboy has to at least admit the PS3 has had a lot less problems.
I like both systems, and will get a 360 when they finally nail down the RRoD problem for good.
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And even the most diehard fanboy has to admit that the PS3 also has a lot less good games.

They can start selling them cheaper, but they won't take off until they dip a hell of a lot closer to the $100 mark. The average consumer simply doesn't care about HD media as much as these companies, or the enthusiast web would have you believe. Most of the people I know who bought large flat screen HDTV's didn't do it for the increase in resolution. They don't know or really care about the difference between 720p and 1080p. They care more about the screen size, widescreen, and freeing up space in their living room by hanging the TV on the wall. And while I'm not professing this to be a truly scientific group study, I don't think I'm too far off when I say the average consumer feels the same way. When most people sit down to watch a movie, they do it for the content of the film, not for the amount of pixels on the screen.

The best thing Sony could do right now, if they really wanted to gain marketshare, is slash prices not only on PS3s but also Blu-Ray players in general. Make a basic Blu-Ray player cost $100 or less and people will snatch them up just because they're Sony and Sony has a rep for making good home theater equipment. PS3 should be priced in line with the Xbox360, and they should eat the losses just to get the market share, because right now they're losing on several different fronts.

Until the prices come down, the average consumer is going to go with what's good enough. And right now, DVD is good enough. HD-DVD is going to be an attractive format at the $100 price point, because at that cost, who can't afford one? But that's about the only reason for most people, because adoption of these products in the wider marketplace is influenced more by things like price and real world advantages than it is by specifications and feature sets.
 
Notice i did say that the 360 had better games atm. The PS3 will eventually have them also.
When the PS3 was 600 dollars, everyone screamed how it was too much. Now that you can get one for 200 less, they still want it cheaper, and it plays games to boot.
The $100 HD-DVD was for a discontinued model, and i don't think they are offering ALL their players for that same price, so it's a moot point imho. Probably will sell a few more HD-DVD's, but that's why they did it in the first place.
In a few years we'll either have a new format to fuss over, or the players (And multi-format players ) will be all around the 100-200 mark. It will happen. (You can get DVD players and recorders for very cheap nowadays when not long ago they were 300-400 dollars or more)
I still say get what you like or get both and have everything. :D
 
The reason that people are still wanting the ps3 to drop in price even further is because they still have the thoughts of the ps3 release. All people think when they hear or read anything about the ps3, the first thing that comes to mind is "faulty products" "messes up easily" "not compatible with my tv" stupid stuff like that. They don't take the time to read what sony has done to better this stuff. Fan boys will always seek to destroy the other platform because it means better stuff, content, games, etc for the console that they have.

As for how much you can pay for a hd-dvd player, in the end it depends on what kind you want. I have the xbox 360 extension, but I'd rather have a more expensive reliable one that gives me more options as far as audio, and actual picture options.

In the end you have to look at it like this. Microsoft released their 360 bare as far as any HD content goes. Great marketing, not everyone wants, or has hd capable tvs or care to pay for more hd content. However, the people who did, have to pay MORE than they would if they were to buy a PS3 and get the built in Blu-ray player. All-in-all I spent over $700 for my xbox 360 and my hd-dvd when it comes down to it.

Prices should not be an issue for people who actually have brains that function properly. As far as the processor, I agree, they should work on upgrades. I just don't think sony will put money into it, problems could and probably would arise, and it would end up putting a hole in the bank... Just my .02 pesos.
 
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