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*** Project: [H]ard Silencer ***

cornelious0_0

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Well, after being inspired by some pics I spotted over at ocforums, and from our very own PsycoGeek I have come togethor with a collection, a compilation if you will...of the best and most effective NVSilencer mods I've found to date.

Before I get into any further details about the project let me list off everything that I just put in an order for at www.bigfootcomputers.com about a few hours ago. All prices are in Canadian funds, so don't bother asking why they might seem a little high. Here we are.....

1) 1 x NV Silencer 5 (6800Ultra/6800GT/6800) $39.98 link
2) 1 x OCZ *NEW 8 PACK* BGA *COPPER* Ramsink Pack $24.98 link
3) 1 x 3.5g AS5 - Arctic Silver 5 Thermal Compound $9.98 link
4) 1 x Panaflo 80mm "HIGH" 39.6cfm 32dba H1A Fan $19.98 link
5) 1 x 80mm Chrome Plated Fan Grill $2.95 link
6) 1 x Panaflo 60mm "HIGH" 19.1cfm 32dba H1A Fan $15.98 link
7) 1 x 60mm Chrome Plated Fan Grill $2.95 link

Alright, well obviously this mod is going to be based around the much praised NV5 Arctic Cooling VGA Silencer.

I have already had the privaledge of owning an NV5, but it was more to simply "try it out" to see how the cooler faired under different conditions. What I mean by that is that I started experimenting with a number of different mods to the cooler, in an effort to learn how it reacted to various design changes and airflow modifications. By the time i was "through" with the Silencer it was hardly useable, but I learned a great deal. I originally attempted cutting a hole in the plastic cover and placing a 60x25mm fan over the heatsink fins, in an attempt to bring some additional direct airflow to the warmest part of the cooler. All that I ended up doing was creating a struggle between The Silencers main fan and the 60mm addon fan, as the 60mm was blowing FAR more air then the Silencer's fan was, and the air was getting thrown about every which way. Removing that 60mm fan and simply allowing my Vantec Fancard to blow on the heatsink from 2 PCI slots down reared an impressive 6C drop in my load temps. I'm not going to get any more into my experiences with the cooler, but there area few more things that only through experimentation did I find out how to "remedy" to an extent.

Well, by now you've probably already figured out what the 60mm Panaflo H1A is going to be for huh? :p

The 80mm Panaflo H1A actually has quite a bit more of an interesting application. First off, any owners of an NV5 can really feel for what I'm saying when I tell you that the Stock Silencer's fan does NOT move enough air, as you can barely feel it coming out the back. My way of "fixing" this is to adopt the Tim Taylor school of thought: I know what this baby needs...MORE POWER!!!

The 80mm Panaflo H1A is going to actually become a replacement fan for the NV5's stock fan. Of course the Panaflo will not fit inside the enclosure for the stock fan, but instead it will reside atop the circular openning above where the stock fan used to sit. The Panaflo will be secured to the plastic directly with a mix of contact cement and everyday crazy glue.....which I also found through experience works quite well. Now you might be saying.....But Corny.....the fan is square, and the hole is round.....and don't worry, I've got it covered. What is going to happen with both the 60mm and 80mm fans is that the "screw tabs" are going to be cut off and sanded down.....leaving each Panaflo fan surrounded by a round fan casing. This will make the 80mm fan the right size to fit over the openning where the stock fan used to be, and will give the 60mm fan a great look also. To ensure that no air leaves the Silencer other then through the port on the end I am going to use some black Aquarium Sealant (silicone) around the base of each fan. I might get creative with the silicone and actually (almost) coat the sides of the fans with it also....so that it looks like its a "part" of the fan running down onto the Silencer. Kinda hard to explain, but I think it'd look cool. As for the grills, seeing as I will have already cut off the "fan hole tabs" (for a lack of better words) on both fans, I will more or less have to do the same with the wire grills. What's going to happen with the grills is that the screw "tabs" (there's gotta be a better word for that) on the grills will also be cut off, and the grill will be attached to the fan via the contact cement mix and the black silicone that will run up the sides of the fan and overlap onto the grill, holding it in place. I dont' know about you, but it's starting to look pretty good already.

The problems I ran into before with the 60mm fan "taking over" the airflow in the Silencer should not come about this time.....as I have made sure to set it up properly this time. This time the larger, main fan will be moving just short of 40cfm...whereas the smaller Panaflo will "only" be pushing 19cfm onto and over the fins directly. Considering the 80mm fan is putting out just over double the airflow as the smaller fan there shouldnt be any problems when it comes to air flowing freely thought the fins and the ducting thereafter, and at the same time, the 19cfm being blown by the 60mm fan should be enough to stop any air from fighting its way out.

That only leaves the ramsinks now doesn't it? Well, while this process isn't quite as long and drawn out as the fan incorporation.....it is just as vital as everything else. As you may already know, the NV5 has extensions of its copper base that are meant to make contact with the 6800's memory chips. This is a double edged sword in the sense that you are efficiently cooling the memory, but only while "donating" to the heat that the cooler has to deal with, raising both your cards ambient and core temperatures slightly. What is going to be done is I'm simply cuttong off the extensions of the NV5 meant to make contact with the memory and trimming back the plastic duct on the cooler, so that I can attach the ramsinks to each memory chip without making contact with the copper surface of the NV5. Not only will I be able to maintain a very nice memory overclock with those copper ramsinks, but both the ambient and core temperatures on the card will have been lowered.....allowing the Silencer to devote all of its work towards cooling the GPU, not having to worry about dealing with the rather warm running GDDR3 memory.

Well guys, there you have it.....other then lapping the NV5 and the individual ramsinks to a mirror finish that's "all" I've got planned. Thank you for sitting through my explanation, and I look forward to seeing some of you around from time to time as the mods start to take shape and come togethor. I expect to be recieve all of the above parts by the end of this week, but I will be sure to come back and post an update when the order does ship.....as it'll be two days later that the NV5 and all it's "add-ons" will arrive together. :cool:
 
Either there isn't a lot of interest in my latest project or its just that nobody has seen the thread.....dunno. :(

I do have some goods news though, the order shipped this afternoon at 2pm.....so I SHOULD have everything on Friday.....Monday for sure. :D :cool:
 
I will wait about this, don't forget the forums were having issues before. :p
 
Won't this mod make the configuration louder than the stock solution? I perfer to simply watercool it :)
 
R1ckCa1n said:
Won't this mod make the configuration louder than the stock solution? I perfer to simply watercool it :)

It will make the Silencer louder then it previously was.....but that is far from my main intent here. With the rest of the fans that I've got running I have no problem with adding in a couple < 35dBA fan on the Silencer.....really isn't gonna effect my sound levels in the system.

Also, keep in mind that this entire setup cost me FAR less then water cooling would have....and because the component layout (on the elctrical level) isn't the same as the 6800U.....the card isn't even capable of 24/7 stability at 1.5v.....and GT's at 1.4v generally top out at 450-460MHz anyways. I was able to do 450MHz with the stock Silencer.....and I'll most likely be pushing 460 or so when these mods are done. Adding water cooling to the card would keep things quieter and all, but the gains that I would see (other then the lower temps) would be basically non-existant. Some people will see more gains from water cooling as opposed to air cooling their GT's....but seeing as my cards temps are quite low and I can already hit 450MHz with the stock Silencer I have absolutely no reason to put h2O on the card.

Thank you for your concern, and I'll be sure to keep you guys updated as I get underway. You can expect pics of every peice of the "set" as well as "in progress" mod pics too....right up until completion.
 
2 questions....

1 offtopic: did u get a better camera or r u keeping the half-ass mongrel HP?

2 ontopic: i knew you would do this...after i saw you hacked up your NV5, i was like "he's gonna do it again" :p...and so you gave...i'll be looking at this....definitely

good luck, i kinda skimmed the mile-long paragraph, lol, but i think i understand the gist...!

alex
 
1 offtopic: did u get a better camera or r u keeping the half-ass mongrel HP?

That question actually brings me to a small update here.....to have the cash on hand to pay for the COD when the parts arrive in a few days I'm gonna have to take the camera back. I was planning on waiting until next week to take it back so that I could take pics of the installation/modding of the cooler, but it looks like I'm gonna have to settle for a few different angles of the completed mod when its done.

It's alright though, I'm actually gonna wait a few more months until I've been at my job for 6 months before I apply for a loan. I'll probly wait until then, and just try for a small $500 loan to get a nice camera.

i knew you would do this...after i saw you hacked up your NV5, i was like "he's gonna do it again"

Yeah, 'cept this time I won't be looking at the cooler in shame.....it'll actually be something to be proud of. I picked up the Black silicone today and it's got a fairly fine tip.....so I might actually be able to do a bit of detailing with it when I apply it to/around the fans and plastic shroud of the cooler. :D
 
cornelious0_0 said:
That question actually brings me to a small update here.....to have the cash on hand to pay for the COD when the parts arrive in a few days I'm gonna have to take the camera back. I was planning on waiting until next week to take it back so that I could take pics of the installation/modding of the cooler, but it looks like I'm gonna have to settle for a few different angles of the completed mod when its done.

It's alright though, I'm actually gonna wait a few more months until I've been at my job for 6 months before I apply for a loan. I'll probly wait until then, and just try for a small $500 loan to get a nice camera.



Yeah, 'cept this time I won't be looking at the cooler in shame.....it'll actually be something to be proud of. I picked up the Black silicone today and it's got a fairly fine tip.....so I might actually be able to do a bit of detailing with it when I apply it to/around the fans and plastic shroud of the cooler. :D
Aaahh, getting rid of the HP, eh? :p Well, good luck - I hope you do not wreck it like your other one... ;) This'll be interesting to see a 80mm fan on the NV Silencer 5.
 
if this turns out to be a grand success, which i'm sure it will... i may have to finally purchase a NV Silencer 4 and mod it in a similar manner for my x800xt :D

but for now, i'll be anxiously awaiting my new Dell 600m lappie :p took advantage of those $750 + $30 + $49 (mail in rebate) deals!
 
IceWeasel said:
if this turns out to be a grand success, which i'm sure it will... i may have to finally purchase a NV Silencer 4 and mod it in a similar manner for my x800xt :D

but for now, i'll be anxiously awaiting my new Dell 600m lappie :p took advantage of those $750 + $30 + $49 (mail in rebate) deals!

Nice bro, I'l;l be sureto let yoiu know how it goes.....but I just got back from teh bar and I can't feel my face right now so I'm off to bed.....[
 
So you went with my idea, after all :). I'm under impression, though, that you aren't replacing the actual fins?
 
Darth_Fluffy said:
So you went with my idea, after all :). I'm under impression, though, that you aren't replacing the actual fins?

I hadn't planned on replacing the actual fins.....it would be nice to have copper fins "under the hood" but I'm not quite up to that task. I mean, unless I could take the heatsink to a metal shop and get them to solder some copper fins to the base I don't know how else I'd get it done.

Think it'd be worth it? I mean, I realise that it should offer better cooling, and I mean.....I'm assuming that most places would do it well enough.....so that it didn't hurt the heat transfer at all. eh?
 
Update: Wow, I just had an awsome idea that should really help out the airflow once the mods are all done. Instead of securing the 80mm Panaflo directly to the Silencer's duct I'm going to buy one of those Tt Coolmod ducts, cut off the screw tabs, and mod it slightly to fit for what I need it for. This will not only angle the airflow a bit more coming into the cooler a bit more...but it'll have the fan pointing down at an angle, making the cool grill visible.....and positioning it better to suck in the cool air from my front intake fans.

:cool:
 
cornelious0_0 said:
Either there isn't a lot of interest in my latest project or its just that nobody has seen the thread.....dunno. :(

I do have some goods news though, the order shipped this afternoon at 2pm.....so I SHOULD have everything on Friday.....Monday for sure. :D :cool:

Just got done reading that giant post, sounds like an interesting idea and I think cutting the base and using sinks will end up being beneficial since you won't be distributing the gpu heat across the ram. Post some pics when you got everything.
 
MFZ said:
I think cutting the base and using sinks will end up being beneficial since you won't be distributing the gpu heat across the ram.

And vise versa. Yes, I'm quite excited....especially with the plan of modding the Tt Coolmod duct and incorporating it also.

EDIT: Wow, I just had another idea, why don't I get one of those Sunbeam ducting kits and just duct the 80mm Panaflo onto one of my intakes infront.....with the Tt duct on their it'd be angled quite well.....and I'm thinkin' it should help it out a bit. :D
 
IceWeasel said:
how much money are you spending on this?? sounds like a lot

It is costing me about $150 total to get everything home.....but please dont anyone come back and say "why not just water cool it".....I'm having fun doing this, it's still cheaper.....and it's something I can call my own. :D
 
DIY (constructing your own waterblocks/radiator) watercooling would actually be less than that, assuming you have a blowtorch, drill press, and maybe a dremel. you also get the fringe benefit of cooling the cpu as well (possibly);)


either way, this looks pretty interesting. i'll definitely be watching this (when i'm not in the DC forum:cool: )

 
rogue_jedi said:
DIY (constructing your own waterblocks/radiator) watercooling would actually be less than that, assuming you have a blowtorch, drill press, and maybe a dremel. you also get the fringe benefit of cooling the cpu as well (possibly);)


either way, this looks pretty interesting. i'll definitely be watching this (when i'm not in the DC forum:cool: )


Well, I technically add water cooling for less then what I'm planning to spend on the Silencer mods, so I'll have to think about it again. I could technically even pick up an NV-68 for a little more then what this is costing me.....but then I'd have to get a second pump too and more tubing (my pump doesnt do multi-block setups very well) for the water cooling setup.

I dunno, I wouldnt actually gain much of anything doing water cooling as opposed to this modded Silencer, and half the reason I'm doing it is because it'll be different....and something that'll stand out.

I have yet to see a GT hit more then 460MHz on the core....and I can do 455 with a stock Silencer in most tests. It has to do with the electrical/physical layout and components on the GT as opposed to the Ulta....the GT just can't handle really anything higher then 1.4v with any amount of stability....so even with water cooling I'd still be stuck at 460MHz. If I'm gonna end up with the same OC either way I'd rather have a nice, custom air setup for the card then the water cooling.....just me. ;)
 
dang dude... you spend more time on here than i do, it seems. of course, i can't access the forums from school (no internet because of no account - and no free period - means no forums) but still. point stands.

anyway, it will be lighter for lan parties with less water in the case, so i guess that is a plus. and unique is always good, though i don't think anyone has done a true DIY 6800 block yet... w/e.

good luck!
 
Yes, the only way to really improve temperatures is increase the surface area along with the CFM power, alone, the latter can only do so much. Watercooling does come to mind though :). In fact, I'm thinking about moving to watercooling myself; my uneeringly loud fans are really starting to piss me off.
 
Darth_Fluffy said:
Yes, the only way to really improve temperatures is increase the surface area along with the CFM power, alone, the latter can only do so much. Watercooling does come to mind though :). In fact, I'm thinking about moving to watercooling myself; my uneeringly loud fans are really starting to piss me off.

I fully realise that the heatsink/cooler itself will only benefit from so much airflow....and it does become overkill after awhile.....but the Silencer still has a way to go to hit that mark. Like I said, this is being done partially just cus I think it'll look fricken cool to pick up the card and look at the cooler.....something custom....again, something I can call my own.
 
Dude. I was sitting at my desk, and I had the best idea in a while.
tubing.jpg

I even drew a quick sketch.

Allow me to explain-- ramblocks!
Although arguably useful (it's not like RAM needs watercooling) but it will look very cool, and what's even better, you can put them on the back side of the card as well! where everyone can see them! They would also have tubing going from one to another, so that's so bonus coolness points.

here's how you could make some... you need a copper base. Sheet copper pieces will do quite nicely. Stick some salvaged fins on top (from ramsink bits, or whatnot). You can epoxy them on at the corners, and use AS5 in the middle, or solder them on with a torch. (You can buy a pocket soldering torch for about $5) Soldering makes an electrically, and thermally effecient bond. Next thing you need, is a transparent plastic cover (or not transparent, and not plastic if you so choose). There are some things you could salvage these from, although making your own would be somewhat difficult. Then you put nozzles on approperiate ends, and you're good to go. You can do that with superglue/epoxy, and don't forget to seal it with silicone sealant.

Edit: for the plastic cover, you can use a sawed-off bottom piece from a disposable scotch-tape dispenser. You'd have to glue it together down the middle, where there's a split, but does that really stop anyone?
 
sounds ghetto to me lol, but if you have the skillz then go for it! me, i'd end up frying something with agua
 
It's only not ghetto if you find the right piece of plastic to make the cover. Besides, these things are not that big.. You shouldn't be able to see them too well :) I have another idea on how to make them this time it's easier: it involbes copper tubing, a piece of copper/aluminum and nothing more. Here's a sketch:
scanimage5.jpg
 
Holy shit Darth_Fluffy, I really do like the idea of the ram h2O.....very nice. With that setup however, the VGA loop would be introduce a LOT of flow restriction....as the "compartments" of plastic around the memory blocks woudl have to fill up with water and flow around the fins before getting out the other side....and that'd have to happen 4 times. It is a great idea and I do agree that it'd look VERY custom and quite cool.....but there are still a couple small flaws as i see it.

How did we get onto the topic of custom memory water cooling BTW?

UPDATE: The stupid free shipping service that bigfoot offers doesn't offer any tracking once the product(s) ship....but last time I used the service it took two days after the day I got the email saying it had shipped from CanadaPost.....and tomorrow will be that second day.

With any luck I'll be able to unpack everything tomorrow and start playin' around with it.....as I don't work until 5pm. :D
 
Alex41290 said:
i swear on my honor i saw ram wcing somewhere...i forget where ??? great....

I'm 99% sure you saw something from this site. I've spoken with this guy a few times, he dose some really amazing work. Unfortunately, he only has time to do it as a hobby (unlike Cather) as he works for a European racing team. (I believe as an engineer) The CEO of Nvidia has one of his creations in a display box in his office.

http://zfz.com/
 
cgrant26 said:
I'm 99% sure you saw something from this site. I've spoken with this guy a few times, he dose some really amazing work. Unfortunately, he only has time to do it as a hobby (unlike Cather) as he works for a European racing team. (I believe as an engineer) The CEO of Nvidia has one of his creations in a display box in his office.

http://zfz.com/

Wow, looks pretty nice.....

Update: I got the Silencer stuff all home tonight.....yay!!! :D

I'm doing things one step at a time and recording the differences that each mod makes as I go. And this is what I've got so far:

350/1000 @ 1.3v = 46C idle / 60C load
350/1000 @ 1.3v /w 80mm Panaflo = 45C idle / 59C load

** Note ** For the 80mm Panaflo testing I merely helf the fan near the Silencers opening and pointed it up at an angle, to push some of my intake air towards the Silencer's fan. When it is actually setup properly I could see getting another 1C knocked off the idle/load temps, because the fan will be ducted onto the hole on the Silencer.....whereas how I was holding it, a large majority of the airflow was being lost inbetween the Panalfo and the cooler.

I'm gonna try simple holding the 80mm Panaflo H1A right up to the Silencer first and see if it effect the temps at all.....brb.

Tomorrow I'm gonna cut the hole for the 60mm Panaflo, cut off those tabs so I can attach the ramsinks.....and lap the Silencer. I'll be back with updates in the next 24 hours. :cool:
 
Guess what guys....i LOVE this cooler!!! :D

"All" I have done is cut off those memory tabs and lapped the Silencer.....and holy shit what a difference already.

At 1.4v with clocks of 350/1000 with the stock Silencer I had an idle temp of 47C, and a max load temp of 62C. Now, with the ramsinks added, my idle is down to 42C, and the load has dropped a full seven degrees (so far) to 55C. :D

Remember that that 80mm Panaflo is not in use with those temps, and it was worth another 1C to my idle and load. Once I let the AS5 set in for a couple days I could possibly still see another 1C drop.....and I'm considering trying out my Vantec Fancard again.....as last time I had more luck with THAT blowing air onto the exposed fins of the cooler then I did using a 60mm fan directly on the fins.

I'll be back in a bit with another update.....but I'm sure as heck happy I did the mods....more then worth the time, even though I went through 2.5 cutoff wheels cutting off those 1/4" copper tabs on the Silencer. :rolleyes:
 
I'd rather not use the panaflo.. can you get your hands on a centrifugal fan, like the one on the silencer already? That way, you could exhaust the hot air from your video card right away, and not raise the case temperature.
 
Darth_Fluffy said:
I'd rather not use the panaflo.. can you get your hands on a centrifugal fan, like the one on the silencer already? That way, you could exhaust the hot air from your video card right away, and not raise the case temperature.

How am I raising the case temperature? The 60mm Panaflo goes directly over the hole that I cut in the Silencer, and sits above the fins. There is no extra space for any air to escape.....and the Panaflo is blowing down. The probly is right now that it's creating too much back preasure and forcing the air to move every which way....instead of over the fins and out the port.

I do have a smaller 60mm fan that I'm going to try.....but right now I'd actually be quite content with the mods the way they are. Instead of adding on the 80mm Panaflo I might just duct the Silencer's "opening" straight onto one of my front intake fans.....but we'll see. :p
 
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