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problems with scrogathon

scrogathon said:
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If All people who purchaed something from dont recieve your packages by friday, I will be glad to refund everyone in full. smartmoney I owe you 15, rouziki, I owe you 20.50, and mjstryker I owe you your tracking info, that still says its at customs.
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It's normal for packages coming from Canada to get stopped at customs. Had a stick of ram stuck there for 2 months once.

nutxo said:
LOL. So what? You dont even have any business posting anything for sale until you square these deals away.

With an attitude like that I would have ass raped you with paypal and heat so fast it would have made your head spin.
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I think you're being a little unreasonable concerning this. Part of the FS/T rules even suggests waiting 2-4 weeks before thinking about claiming someone as a troll because shipping delays are sometimes unavoidable. Scrogathon did in fact offer a token of goodwill to me in the form of a partial refund, which was totally unsolicited, so I have little reason to believe that he's guilty of anything other than being slow to communicate.

(4) In lots of cases items are sent out, but maybe not as quickly as hoped. Give the trade sufficient time to pan out before claiming someone is a troll. I suggest at least waiting 2-4 weeks before even thinking about claiming someone as a troll.
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I would not give him a chance, I do not trade much, but even if something big came up I would owe people that have paypaled me at least some explanation. I think he just wanted some money abnd trying to delay the day he gets banned. I am sorry I do not trust people that much.
 
If All people who purchaed something from dont recieve your packages by friday, I will be glad to refund everyone in full.
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How bout this.
Refund me the $15 and IF and when the package arrives i will pay you the $15 agreed.
 
nutxo said:
I would have ass raped you
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Tone it down, nutxo.

MjrStryker said:
I think you're being a little unreasonable concerning this. Part of the FS/T rules even suggests waiting 2-4 weeks before thinking about claiming someone as a troll because shipping delays are sometimes unavoidable.
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Right. This was the thing I was trying to get people to come across to.. the "give it 2-4 weeks" thing.. Yet thunderstruck and osalcido seem to overlook that and decide to "put me on their DNT list.." as if that's some sort of threat against me when I'm just trying to get people to give the boy a chance. Anyone who wants to put me on their DNT list is doing me a favor. One less idiot that I have to worry about trading with. Much like my business, I'd rather have the 1000s of quality hosting clients I have now, who don't try to get something for nothing, and don't complain about the pricing (which, by industry standards, is high.. i'd even go so far as to say we are expensive) and never sell another hosting account than add ONE single "whiner" as a path to growing the business. I've literally told clients that they should take their business elsewhere, and in 3 cases, I even processed the transfer for them myself (with their agreement, of course.. but then again, it's easy to get them to agree since our policies are clearly stated that we can stop service at any time, [just like every other hoster] for any reason)

MrjStryker said:
Scrogathon did in fact offer a token of goodwill to me in the form of a partial refund, which was totally unsolicited,
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As I suspected he would,
MjrStryker said:
so I have little reason to believe that he's guilty of anything other than being slow to communicate.
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and as I suspected was the problem
 
Scrogathon did in fact offer a token of goodwill to me in the form of a partial refund, which was totally unsolicited,
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good for you but no communication from him to me about anything but "...its in the mail"



This was the thing I was trying to get people to come across to.. the "give it 2-4 weeks" thing..
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This thread started after the 2 but before the 4 weeks and by this weekend it will be the 4 weeks so i believe my issue is warranted.
 
smartmoney said:
This thread started after the 2 but before the 4 weeks and by this weekend it will be the 4 weeks so i believe my issue is warranted.
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Agreed! I'm with you on this smartmoney, but I was also just trying to get you to see if things pan out, that is all. I do not deny that SCROG is in the wrong. What I disagreed with was that it was time to (initially) "out" him.. every day that goes by makes it more and more likely that he is a "scammer", but when I made my first reply, I wouldn't have said so.
 
scrogathon said:
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If All people who purchaed something from dont recieve your packages by friday, I will be glad to refund everyone in full. smartmoney I owe you 15, rouziki, I owe you 20.50, and mjstryker I owe you your tracking info, that still says its at customs.
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I'll be home today to check if I've gotten anything, I'll let you know later today or saturday if you should refund or not. However I am more interested in getting that joystick than I am in getting my money back so if the joystick ends up getting to my house eventually than of course I will resend the money =)
 
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If All people who purchaed something from dont recieve your packages by friday, I will be glad to refund everyone in full. smartmoney I owe you 15, rouziki, I owe you 20.50, and mjstryker I owe you your tracking info, that still says its at customs.
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Fri and no package.
Also no refund as of 5:07CST

His Last Activity: 05-01-2007
now scrog lets make good on the SECOND offer you made or i believe a total ban is in order. I am tired of waiting and the games going on here.

However I am more interested in getting that joystick than I am in getting my money back so if the joystick ends up getting to my house eventually than of course I will resend the money =)
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Rouzuki, i am with you. Would rather have the game than the $ and if it ever shows, will pay for it.
 
If I were you, I will just go ahead and still let the paypal dispute happen, later on he is just probably going to make another excuse. That's why I just usually buy my stuff from newegg or tigerdirect so things like these won't happen and I will know that when I buy stuff from tigerdirect/newegg, I will get the item less than a week.
 
CyberDeus-RagDoll said:
Right. This was the thing I was trying to get people to come across to.. the "give it 2-4 weeks" thing.. Yet thunderstruck and osalcido seem to overlook that and decide to "put me on their DNT list.." as if that's some sort of threat against me when I'm just trying to get people to give the boy a chance. Anyone who wants to put me on their DNT list is doing me a favor. One less idiot that I have to worry about trading with. Much like my business, I'd rather have the 1000s of quality hosting clients I have now, who don't try to get something for nothing, and don't complain about the pricing (which, by industry standards, is high.. i'd even go so far as to say we are expensive) and never sell another hosting account than add ONE single "whiner" as a path to growing the business. I've literally told clients that they should take their business elsewhere, and in 3 cases, I even processed the transfer for them myself (with their agreement, of course.. but then again, it's easy to get them to agree since our policies are clearly stated that we can stop service at any time, [just like every other hoster] for any reason).
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Waiting 4 weeks after a package is shipped before "claiming" someone as a troll is fine. But starting a thread discussing your shipment problems is not the same as claiming someone is a troll. It's to resolve issues and also warn others of any problems. I don't think anyone who is not buying something internationally is going to expect to wait up to 4 weeks for a package. After 2 weeks, something needs to be said and proactive measures need to be taken to find where the package is. For a seller to say, "oh.. just wait a couple more weeks." isn't going to fly with me or most of the forum community I would assume.

Also, I think they put you on their DNT lists because of this quote and not because you were saying packages may take 2-4 weeks to arrive:
His point is. "It's only a video game, i.e. not important, so, if it takes a little longer to arrive, then don't freak out" I mean, it's not like its a human heart for transplant, or your paycheck so you can pay your rent. It's a video game.
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IMHO, the type nor amount of a transaction really shouldn't have anything to do with how you should treat a sale. But that's me, and how I like to do things.

Also, it's accommodating the "whiners" which is what makes a business have good customer service vs just decent customer service.. and I hope businesses don't follow your methods of letting the "whiners" go somewhere else.
 
No package for me either Scrogathon, so go ahead and do the refund via paypal and then when the package gets to me I'll re-send the money back to you. I'm going to send a PM with this same text just as a follow up =)
 
I received my package from Scrogathon today exactly as described. Fans were in good condition and he even gave me the screws and power adapters. I'm denying the $7 CAD payment now as I'm perfectly satisfied with the items and feel there's no reason for you to take a loss on this deal, scrogathon.
 
doggyworld said:
Also, I think they put you on their DNT lists because of this quote and not because you were saying packages may take 2-4 weeks to arrive:
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Well, then that makes them even more stupid. I was explaining HIS opinion, not mine. As I stated in later posts, my opinion is that all trades should be treated equal.
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Yes, I agree that no matter what the item is, it should be sent in a timely manner. However, inversely, no matter what the item is, extenuating circumstances could apply, whether it's a free bluetooth headset that someone says they sent me 10 days ago, yet I still haven't received it, or a box of 10 750gb hdd's that I ordered for 2 WEEKS AGO that I still haven't received (from an e-tailer, not a user)... that doesn't change the fact that "shit happens" and sometimes you have to wait.
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SEE?
I was not saying that I agree with scrog's actions. I even went so far as to tell him, when he PM'ed me that "at least I understand" that I was not "on his side".
I also don't think that a fuckup on a $15 trade is any better or worse than a fuckup on a $500 trade. They are equal. I was just explaining HIS point.
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His point is. "It's only a video game, i.e. not important, so, if it takes a little longer to arrive, then don't freak out" I mean, it's not like its a human heart for transplant, or your paycheck so you can pay your rent. It's a video game.
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THIS ENTIRE BLOCK ABOVE IS ME EXPLAINING HIS POINT, AND IS NOT, IN ANY WAY, MY OWN OPINION
doggyworld said:
IMHO, the type nor amount of a transaction really shouldn't have anything to do with how you should treat a sale. But that's me, and how I like to do things.
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Agreed.
doggyworld said:
Also, it's accommodating the "whiners" which is what makes a business have good customer service vs just decent customer service.. and I hope businesses don't follow your methods of letting the "whiners" go somewhere else.
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"He who tries to please everybody pleases nobody."- Aesop.
http://www.rickwalton.com/folktale/50fabl46.htm
If you don't read this next part, you won't understand.

Some people are just bad apples, and will whine no matter what. Diverting energy to please them means you take away energy from those who are worthwhile. I'm not talking about people who have an actual problem and need help, I'm talking about people who just want to bitch about things because they are stupid, cheap, greedy, not getting laid enough, or whatever.. There are people who are just bad for business. I choose to have them go elsewhere. (Think of the rich old woman in "Gremlins" I've had clients like that.) As someone who was homeless 16 years ago, and now is worth.. well. lets just say I won't be homeless, and neither will my grandchildren, even though I don't have children yet... I think I know how to effectively run a business. Our customers LOVE us. I've been invited to weddings, sent Christmas presents, one even extended the courtesy of asking me to come visit their town and they'd "put me up" (truly not necessary) when I was talking with them about ideas for my next vacation.
I've got something much like google's motto of "Don't be evil" but, I think that it extends to the CLIENTS as well. (My motto is "It's nice to be important, but important to be nice")
However, my motto is not unconditional. I am not nice to people who are not nice to me.

I'll give you an example of a problematic customer :
One of the many things my company does (we are very multi-faceted) is that we offer LINUX hosting & we offer Windows Hosting.
Client chose and signed up for LINUX hosting, and had been a client for about 6 months before problems arose.... On our linux hosting we support PHP, CGI-BIN, etc.. Something we don't, naturally, support on linux hosting is MICROSOFT SQL 2000. You need a windows hosting plan for that. I did not tell him which hosting plan to sign up for (in fact, i never consulted with him, he signed up online), as we have the pros & cons of each clearly pointed out. I am sure he chose the linux hosting because it's less than the windows hosting.

Customer has an existing shopping cart, and forum, which are both reliant upon MySQL. Customer BOUGHT a commercial program (never could quite get from him what it was for, I think it was some sort of cam control program?) that REQUIRED Microsoft SQL 2000. Customer insinuated that his program would not work because of something "we were doing wrong".

I offered to switch him to a Windows hosting plan, but informed him that his other infrastructure PROBABLY wouldn't move over too well (I've found porting to be less then reliable) and that he'd have to probably rebuild his store, and forum. He refused to accept that risk. Alternatively, I suggested that he could get a SEPARATE windows hosting plan for this app that he told me he spent "over a grand" on, but he complained about the expense (we were talking about $150 a year at the time).

He insisted that I install Microsoft SQL 2000 "extensions" onto his linux based hosting account, for free.
1) I don't think it'd be possible to do it at all ;) If it is, please tell me how.
2) SQL licenses cost me money, which is part of the reason why our windows hosting costs more than our linux hosting.

I later found out, by reviewing his site (i mean, actually visiting it) that he was in violation of our terms of service anyhow (He was allowing "dirty pictures" on his forum), so problem was solved. He moved to another hosting company, and when I checked 6 months later, his site was down. I contacted the owner of that hosting company (a personal friend), and he told me that "the guy was backing up his 'warez' to our server"

So.. should I have kept this client? I say no. Could his activitiy negatively effected my business, my other clients, our servers? Yep. I mean, if the RIAA, MPAA, or SPA saw some of the content he had, I probably would have been fined.

We don't "go into and look at" the content of our clients sites (especially back-end) as we respect our clients rights to privacy. Some of our clients have some very good websites, so I am sure that we do see their FRONT-ENDS quite often. I am sure there are probably a hundred+ "violators" right now, but until I notice a traffic surge on any host, we have no "cause" for checking things out. I don't care if someone puts an .iso of his legally purchased copy of XP into a private, non-publicly accessible area of his storage for backup purposes (Doesn't XP require a CDKey - Yeah). I don't care if they store all their MP3s that they got from napster on our server, either. (I mean, doesn't napster have DRM?), but if he posts a pic of britney spears going down on somebody, and it gets 47 million hits, that's another story, or if I see that XP iso being downloaded 12 times a day....

My reason for visiting his site was that he had complained that his forum was "buggy" (which, btw, is true..., but I've found no forum software that isn't) and I saw the porn there.
 
You guys needs to take this private argument to PMs. It was orthogonal to the original convo at some point, but now is just nearing on a flame-fest.
 
But there in lies the problem. Though I do not believe him to be a bad seller, he isn't the quickest at answering PMs either and it would therefor be a very one sided discussion. ;)
 
Rouzuki said:
But there in lies the problem. Though I do not believe him to be a bad seller, he isn't the quickest at answering PMs either and it would therefor be a very one sided discussion. ;)
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I think he was talking about me and the others, rouzuki, not scrog & smartmoney.. :)
 
MjrStryker Limp Gawd

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what was the ship date stamped on your package and when did you paypal?
PayPaled on April 5, 2007

Shipping Date was April 26, 2007, approximately 3 weeks after payment was received.
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that is funny how this thread started on the 24. Had this not started maybe he would not have even sent it in the first place.

scrogathon Limp Gawd

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I will gather and send everyone there receipts tommorow after I go to work, I screwed up bad on my behalf by not shipping everyones package out on time and will make up for it someway, wheather it be give them there money back and wait untill they recieve the packages, or just keeping in touch untill they do. Ill be back online at 3-4pm tommorow to let everyone know what they need.
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he posted this and he still had not sent out your package.



At this point i am glad i got this threat started. Look at the thread and see whats going on here.

no paypal as of today either as he stated in this thread he would.
Just pisses me off!!
 
Anyone else received their packages or refunds or any communication from scrogathon? --Edit: My bad, looked at wrong profile.--
 
:p What I do not understand is the fact that he is not banned yet. Whaterver you fellas wanna say, he is a BAD trader, not questions asked. For one, it has been over a month, and seing the fact that he still posts on forums, his excuse for not shipping is bull. Plus, he could come in this thread and drop a line or two instead of hiding. I believe that he just wanted some money, yes he probably had some of the stuff he was selling, but he wasn't going to give it all away. I think a mod needs to come in here and do the /ban
 
I told you all here to starta claim against him, there is no way in hell you are getting anything from him. And even if he "plans" to ship the items out, or maybe even refund some of ya'll, it has been going for way too long and whatever he gets, he deserved, period.
 
We have completed our investigation of this case. We attempted to process a refund from the seller's account to your account. Unfortunately, the seller's account does not contain the funds necessary to cover this refund. We were able to recover $6.62 USD. We have taken action against the seller and are working to recover the remainder of your refund. We will contact you when we have more information. No further action is required of you at this time.
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he is officially a TROLL

What is worse is because of this MY paypal has been effected because i can now only send e-checks. This is total BS!
Trolls burn you more than the $
 
i don't know why. I have well over 100 on my paypal rating and it's a premier account with several CC and other available accounts and i have tried to send money to two people and now my only option is a e-check. I have a personal account for non cc paypal and i cannot even send that account $5 from my paypal balance . This only occurred since i filed the claim over this.
 
smartmoney said:
he is officially a TROLL

What is worse is because of this MY paypal has been effected because i can now only send e-checks. This is total BS!
Trolls burn you more than the $
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Only if everybody would listen to teh Sexy aka Ivan from the start:cool: :p . I am sorry this has happened, but you guys have been giving him way too many chances. I smell trolls from thousands of miles away, and this guy has had a special odor to him. I truly hope you did not lose too much money, well let's forget about this guy and move on. This is in no way a sign that you should never trade with noobies, liike me, it is simply a sign of the fact that a person with less heatware should do their part first.
 
Vertigo Acid said:
Yeah, i'm confused. Normally, that would occur if you didn't have a credit card on file
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Or your card expired..I noticed a while back that I could only send an E-check payment when I tried to pay someone...I looked at my account, and my card was expired ... I had never updated my acct with the new expiration date..as soon as I updated it, all was well again..
 
How is this guy not banned yet? And what excuses is that guy who has been defending him going to come up with now? I am shocked at the delays in punishing people on the forums that are so clearly scammers.
 
CalvinGT said:
How is this guy not banned yet? And what excuses is that guy who has been defending him going to come up with now? I am shocked at the delays in punishing people on the forums that are so clearly scammers.
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I'm guessing you're talking about me? :confused: At this point the lack of communication is unexcusable. I doubt he's had another family emergency so shortly after promising to issue refunds. He did send me my items though so I suppose he only had some of what he was selling as another forum member suggested earlier? Either way, all of you are justified in notifying law enforcement about this and pursuing other methods to get your refunds.
 
MjrStryker said:
I'm guessing you're talking about me? :confused: At this point the lack of communication is unexcusable. I doubt he's had another family emergency so shortly after promising to issue refunds. He did send me my items though so I suppose he only had some of what he was selling as another forum member suggested earlier? Either way, all of you are justified in notifying law enforcement about this and pursuing other methods to get your refunds.
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I'm pretty sure he's talking about me "defending" scrog.. but then again, he's another one of the idiots who doesn't actually have any reading comprehension. I don't defend scrog (I even corrected scrog when HE thought I was) I was just trying to get people to be more LEVEL headed, not lopsided to one side or another.


My excuse would be that he has made good on at least one trade, so he's obviously trying.
 
ivan_gromov said:
Only if everybody would listen to teh Sexy aka Ivan from the start:cool: :p . I am sorry this has happened, but you guys have been giving him way too many chances. I smell trolls from thousands of miles away, and this guy has had a special odor to him. I truly hope you did not lose too much money, well let's forget about this guy and move on. This is in no way a sign that you should never trade with noobies, liike me, it is simply a sign of the fact that a person with less heatware should do their part first.
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By my calculation, smartmoney lost $8.38
 
just a heads up to the powers to be.
Scrog has been logged in several times since this last post and still has not made good by refunding my money to me. Paypal has a clam against him but i only received less than half of what was owed to me.

Isn't being a troll a bannable offense? i would hope that it is but that has not happened. I bet if a mod was trolled he would be! :confused:
 
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