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problems with scrogathon

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smartmoney

Limp Gawd
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ok follows is the problem:

April 3 - He was selling FEAR pc game
agreed on price.

April 5 - paypal was sent on 05:41:54 PDT instant transfer as he requested.

no pm's from him between

April 12 - exact pm "status of package? not got it yet."

again no pm's from him

April 16 - exact pm "last time i am asking, where is the fear cd?"

April 17 - hey just want to let you know its in the mail so hold your horses, its only a game so dont get bent outta shape if it takes a while, I was late getting it the PO, my dad had an accident and family comes first, sorry man"

......posted comment by scrogathon on April 14 in a posting about another trader..............

"good for you one less person to deal with on my end, I have people that buys things from me that start sending 9 pms a day wondering where there stuff is, after only 4 days, Id rather not tell them the obvious and let them figure it out themselves, if they paid for 7 - 10 day shipping then why expect a package to be at there door 4 days later. I do my best to let people know I shipped, but Im not gonna reply to someone that is as impatient as a little kid wanting to go to the candy store."

another posted on April 8 about another trader problem......
"delays should be expected once in a blue moon, but ten days is long enough, sometimes Im a bit late on shipping things, only around 2-3 days, but I either make up for my lateness with faster shipping than paid for, or just explain the situation and it usually goes well."


April 17 - Sent pm to him and no response.

Today April 25 - No cd as of today. If it was sent before the 17 as stated , should be here by now. Think i am just going to paypal.


I think 20 days for a package is to much, even he has stated that.
thoughts?

thanks Smartmoney
 
Well he did clearly state his "dad" had a "accident" so.... I dunno. Its hard to say what to do but. There really is no excuse. A fear game is fairly small and can be shipped off at the post office on the way to the hospital if he really put forth the effort.

Did you ask him for a refund? Is it actually shipped off now?



I checked his heat and checked yours. If I were you, I would have had him ship first. Your heat is far superior to his. Come on man. He is a newly joined member with 4 heat(4 positive which is a +). Hes only been trading since Feb. 2007.

But yes, 20 days for a package is too long. I would have wanted a refund after the first week.
 
his reply on April 17 ".......its in the mail.....its only a game so dont get bent outta shape if it takes a while"
WHAT? why does a game take longer to deliver?

i understand but here is my prob.


".....I do my best to let people know I shipped...."
this was not done

He wont respond to pm and has not logged in since then.
petty $ but the principal is I had to threaten to get a response.

No communication at all through this other than asking for $ but from that point on........basically nothing. Just pointing out future problems. If you read some of his other posts, i am not the only one to have shipping or receiving issues with him.

"I would have had him ship first"...for the $15 i did not think of that. i usually consider it after bigger items.
 
Yup. Im sorry. Like I stated, why did you pay first to someone who is newly joined and only 4 heat since feb. 2007. heh.

Your heat is far superior to his. He clearly doesnt realize how trading works yet.


File a paypal claim, that will get his attention.
 
smartmoney said:
his reply on April 17 ".......its in the mail.....its only a game so dont get bent outta shape if it takes a while"
WHAT? why does a game take longer to deliver?
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I don't think his point was that games take longer to arrive.

Also, I don't know how you could possibly get that from that sentence, in fact.
His point is. "It's only a video game, i.e. not important, so, if it takes a little longer to arrive, then don't freak out" I mean, it's not like its a human heart for transplant, or your paycheck so you can pay your rent. It's a video game.

That being said. 20 days is a while, but not unheard of. It especially isn't unreasonable if he was delayed because of the fact that his dad was in an accident. For all you know, this person DOESN'T DRIVE and needs his dad to cart him around.
He shipped on the 17th. Today is the 24th. I've heard of USPS taking 2 weeks for packages to arrive. I should know, i have family IN THE POSTAL SERVICE. Now, if he had 2nd day aired it, that'd be another story.

You have 45 days I believe to file a claim with paypal. If you paid on the fifth of this month, then I'd say waiting until 05/02/2007 (2 weeks after the 17th) would be reasonable.
You might want to double check the time-limit you have to file a claim. I would claim before it expires, obviously.



As to why he's not answering your pm's? Assuming his dad's accident is true, maybe he doesn't want to be harassed by some kid bugging him about a $15 video game. When my father DIED, I had the forethought to write the 6 or 7 people I was involved in trades with (I was leaving on a plane the very next morning) to let them know that they'd have to wait, and that they wouldn't hear from me for a week, and that their options are to reply back for a refund, or wait it out as applicable (some people were paying me, some were shipping me stuff I was to pay for, etc..). 2 users wrote me a total of -30- messages in that time frame, even though I made it clear that I would NOT BE HERE. Those users were refunded or item returned despite their desire to have the items shipped/paid for anyhow, and summarily told to fuck off.


Today April 25 - No cd as of today. If it was sent before the 17 as stated , should be here by now. Think i am just going to paypal.


I think 20 days for a package is to much, even he has stated that.
thoughts?

thanks Smartmoney
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Is my calendar off? It's the 24th as far as I know.


ivan_gromov said:
Every time a trade goes bad, there is always a family emergency, the kid is full of shit, He told you that the game has been shipped, and it wasn't. He is a kid, obliviously, he is either too lazy, or he was a few bucks short on wow monthly fee, and he simply scammed it. Whatever the case is, file a Paypal claim and leave negative heat, 20 days is way too long, and I do not think he has shipped the item yet anyway.
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That's very cynical, and naive. Sometimes people actually do have family emergencies, as shown above by my example. The difference is, I'm in my 30s, and the other person might be in his teens, so HOW it's handled is going to be different.
According to scrogathon's profile, he's 19, and in canada.
His email address is "blunt blazer 69 420" so, obviously, he's either a stoner, or thinks of himself as one, so it may just be that he's really really stupid.
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Every time a trade goes bad, there is always a family emergency, the kid is full of shit, He told you that the game has been shipped, and it wasn't. He is a kid, obliviously, he is either too lazy, or he was a few bucks short on wow monthly fee, and he simply scammed it. Whatever the case is, file a Paypal claim and leave negative heat, 20 days is way too long, and I do not think he has shipped the item yet anyway.
 
Today April 25
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my bad, guess that is why i missed my dentist today!

I am not filing yet but just perturbed. No communication.
My dad, this weekend, fell off his deck and is in the hospital , but i still have the time to take care of my business. (other than forgetting about the dentist) But like you said, i am also in my 30's so i have responsibilities and know what and when to do that.

I don't mind but waiting almost 30 days from the sale date to file is i believe to long if on principal alone.

I don't think his point was that games take longer to arrive.

Also, I don't know how you could possibly get that from that sentence, in fact.
His point is. "It's only a video game, i.e. not important, so, if it takes a little longer to arrive, then don't freak out" I mean, it's not like its a human heart for transplant, or your paycheck so you can pay your rent. It's a video game.
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this was merely a funny. I guess you could put a EVGA 8800GTX in the same ballbark as that statement above. Just a VC is all. I did not take that part literary but in reality does not matter if i steal a pack of bubble gum or a BMW. Still the same in the end. stealing. so where I was going is it doesn't matter what the item is, if sold and paid for. should be sent in a timely manor, correct?

He shipped on the 17th. Today is the 24th. I've heard of USPS taking 2 weeks for packages to arrive. I should know, i have family IN THE POSTAL SERVICE. Now, if he had 2nd day aired it, that'd be another story
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if you read some other post he had he stated if he was delayed in sending,( which clearly it was) he upgraded shipping, which i'm sure he didn't. That ALSO would be fair and the correct thing to do.

What i am getting at is he need some clearer vision when dealing. His decisions so far have not been very good and i am passing along future dealing people of his to be weary of this fact. Is that not what this thread section is for? I am not in total panic mode but more in the information stage at this point. I would think in my past thati might not have made all the right decisions and have been called out on those as should be. Jst what i am doing. He can take this as a woopin or a learning experience. Up to him.
 
Smartmoney, I am with you on this one.

I had a purchase going on from last week. I paid him on a friday morning for it to be shipped that day. he came on that evening and said that his wife and child were in a car accident and were at the hospital and would mail either saturday or monday.

He sent me a PM on Monday evening with a tracking number and he shipped it overnight.

I initially was worried, but he came through. So even when issues happen, they can get resolved.

And if the guy that dealt with me reads this, thanks a lot. I owe you thanks..
 
smartmoney said:
I am not filing yet but just perturbed. No
communication.
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I AGREE with you about that. I would say doing future dealings with scrogathon would be something to steer clear of, however, I think it's a bit premature to "out him" either.
smartmoney said:
My dad, this weekend, fell off his deck and is in the hospital , but i still have the time to take care of my business. (other than forgetting about the dentist) But like you said, i am also in my 30's so i have responsibilities and know what and when to do that.
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That's the difference between being a teenager and a 30 something. I'm sure you weren't anywhere near as "responsible" at 19 as you are today. I know I sure as hell wasn't. Hell, at 19.. I was homeless.
I don't mind but waiting almost 30 days from the sale date to file is i believe to long if on principal alone.
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Personal preference. I'd say as long as I get my claim in before the "deadline" i'm happy. Like I said, I think it's 45 days @ paypal, but you might want to double check on that.
this was merely a funny. I guess you could put a EVGA 8800GTX in the same ballbark as that statement above. Just a VC is all
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No. $15 vs $600
One lets you play a specific video game. The other allows your computer to display a picture at all. Without a video card, you can't use your computer. Without a copy of F.E.A.R. you can't be bored out of your mind playing a predictable FPS.
I did not take that part literary but in reality does not matter if i steal a pack of bubble gum or a BMW.
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I don't think he's "stolen" from you quite yet. It's possible he has, but that analogy you make is incongruous with the issue here. If you steal a pack of bubble gum, and you are caught doing it, you can't deny it, any more than you can about stealing a BMW.
If a pack of bubble gum disappears, but NOBODY saw you take it, then only MAYBE can you be accused of such, same thing with the BMW. If it's stolen then "vanished" to a chop-shop with no witnesses, than only MAYBE can you be responsible. There's a certain portion of uncertainty with this transaction, and while it may be VERY LIKELY that scrogathon has jerked you around, it may be just as likely that he's telling the truth.
it doesn't matter what the item is, if sold and paid for. should be sent in a timely manor, correct?
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Yes, I agree that no matter what the item is, it should be sent in a timely manner. However, inversely, no matter what the item is, extenuating circumstances could apply, whether it's a free bluetooth headset that someone says they sent me 10 days ago, yet I still haven't received it, or a box of 10 750gb hdd's that I ordered for 2 WEEKS AGO that I still haven't received (from an e-tailer, not a user)... that doesn't change the fact that "shit happens" and sometimes you have to wait.
In both cases on deals I'm involved in, I'm having to wait. I'm having to wait on the $0.00 item, and the $3,000 item. I can't rightly complain about the $0.00 item, and, tbh, since I know I trust the e-tailer, I am not complaining to them, either.
The funny thing is, I'll admit, (as will others who see me posting in this thread) that I'm a bit of a hardass sometimes, [right, ockie?] so, it's unusual for me to be cavalier about things. All I am saying is.. I think you might want to give him a bit more time. 1 week from his supposed ship date, in my opinion, isn't enough time to take USPS out of the equation as being partially guilty.

thunderstruck! said:
CyberDeus-RagDoll just made my DNT list.;)
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Funny. You've been on mine for a while.
/edit - Oh, wait, no, that wasn't you. That was someone else. But you are on it now. Someone who can't understand that shit happens is someone I wouldn't want to deal with. Cause when THEY fuck-up, they'll just make excuses.
I practice that ideology that we in the united states pretend to hold so dear. "Innocent until PROVEN guilty"

I'm apt to give scrog the benefit of the doubt.. but.. soon, even I'd say it's a bit too long.. just not quite yet.


Patience is a virtue people. I turned in the paperwork for an express upgrade system (purchased in NOVEMBER 2006) to gateway for vista home premium (turned in the paperwork on 12/16/2006) and to this day, I still haven't received it.

Hell, I've been waiting for DNF for a decade.
 
Long story short, has it been recieved yet? Because regardless of extenuating circumstances, a commitment involving money was made.
 
He can have plenty of time to cry on the walk to the post office and standing in line.

It doesn't take to long to deliver a package.
 
CyberDeus-RagDoll said:
20 days is a while, but not unheard of. It especially isn't unreasonable if he was delayed because of the fact that his dad was in an accident. For all you know, this person DOESN'T DRIVE and needs his dad to cart him around.
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your right on that aspect. I dont have my full licence yet so He was my main transportation before he fell down the stairs at my home onto concrete

Smartmoney said:
He wont respond to pm and has not logged in since then.
petty $ but the principal is I had to threaten to get a response. .
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i hate how you say you had to threaten to get a responce, more or less you have to wait to get a responce that works well too, I dont have a desktop computer here at my grammas so im typing from my uncles labtop and its not like its here every day.

CyberDeus-RagDoll said:
He shipped on the 17th. Today is the 24th. I've heard of USPS taking 2 weeks for packages to arrive. I should know, i have family IN THE POSTAL SERVICE. Now, if he had 2nd day aired it, that'd be another story.
I am also in Canada so there is a small thing called customs they like to hold and play fetch with your package, maybe thats where the actuall shipping delay is coming from, I am really sorry for sending the package out so late.

jordan12 said:
Smartmoney, I am with you on this one.

I had a purchase going on from last week. I paid him on a friday morning for it to be shipped that day. he came on that evening and said that his wife and child were in a car accident and were at the hospital and would mail either saturday or monday.

He sent me a PM on Monday evening with a tracking number and he shipped it overnight.

I initially was worried, but he came through. So even when issues happen, they can get resolved.

And if the guy that dealt with me reads this, thanks a lot. I owe you thanks..
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who are talking about? I didnt make any deals with you at all.


ivan_gromov said:
Every time a trade goes bad, there is always a family emergency, the kid is full of shit, He told you that the game has been shipped, and it wasn't. He is a kid, obliviously, he is either too lazy, or he was a few bucks short on wow monthly fee, and he simply scammed it. Whatever the case is, file a Paypal claim and leave negative heat, 20 days is way too long, and I do not think he has shipped the item yet anyway.
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This trade hasnt gone bad, maybe a bit sour but its still being worked out, In this case there actually was a family emergency and I am not full of shit. People do get sick and People do have accidents, although its the most common excuse, I have no other as this one is legit.
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scrogathon said:
who are talking about? I didnt make any deals with you at all.
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That poster was talking about a similair transaction he had with another user here, and was comparing it to your and smartmoney's transaction.

scrogathon said:
This trade hasnt gone bad, maybe a bit sour but its still being worked out, In this case there actually was a family emergency and I am not full of shit. People do get sick and People do have accidents, although its the most common excuse, I have no other as this one is legit.
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Like I said to you in PM, scrog. Yes, it sucks your dad was hurt, but, you still need to make good with smartmoney. If I were you I'd do everything in my power to make sure he is treated fairly.

On a side note, I am posting the contents of the PM scrog sent me, as well as my reply. I don't see why scrog would write me a PM to tell me that my theory that he was NOT full of shit is true, if he was scamming.

Code: 
 Re: thanks man
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Hey at least someone understands whats going on, I hated it when I was writing that my dad was hurt, but in my case I was tellign the truth.
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To whit, I replied
ME said:
Woah partner.
I'm not saying I believe OR disbelieve you. I'm just saying they should give you the benefit of the doubt. Make good on your issue with him one way or another, and the thread will die quickly!

You are, in many ways, responsible for this! It is not smartmoney's "fault" or "problem" that your father fell ill/was hurt.

You have my sympathy regarding your dad (as I said, my father DIED) and I was involved in trades at the time, and had to fly across the country 8 hours after hearing the news..

Take care of smartmoney!
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Even taking the above into consideration. I still say that it is fully the onus (obligation) of scrog to now make sure everything proceeds positively from here on out. If he truly did ship, and can somehow get some tracking info, he should do so. If he sent on the 17th, perhaps he has a shipping receipt of some sort he can scan? (hint, scrog = I'm talking TO you)



BaronBamboo said:
He can have plenty of time to cry on the walk to the post office and standing in line.

It doesn't take to long to deliver a package.
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Wow. childish. You have no idea where this guy lives. He's in canada, it could be 15 miles to the local post office, hell it could be 15 miles to the closest town.
He is also shipping across the border, so, as he said, customs might have held it up. I won't even ship to canada because of the hassles.
 
I also have a deal going on with Scrogathon at the moment. I understand extenuating crcumstances do happen every now and then, and I have no plans of filing a PayPal Dispute until the very last possible day, but I would like some sort of communication via PM. A valid tracking number would be nice and I wouldn't have to bother you again after that.

You had the time to make 7 posts after my first request for tracking information. Even if you hadn't shipped by then, you could've easily just informed me so and all would be well.
 
I will gather and send everyone there receipts tommorow after I go to work, I screwed up bad on my behalf by not shipping everyones package out on time and will make up for it someway, wheather it be give them there money back and wait untill they recieve the packages, or just keeping in touch untill they do. Ill be back online at 3-4pm tommorow to let everyone know what they need.
 
scrogathon said:
I will gather and send everyone there receipts tommorow after I go to work, I screwed up bad on my behalf by not shipping everyones package out on time and will make up for it someway, wheather it be give them there money back and wait untill they recieve the packages, or just keeping in touch untill they do. Ill be back online at 3-4pm tommorow to let everyone know what they need.
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That is 'extra'? That is what could have avoided this mess to begin with.
 
thunderstruck! said:
That is 'extra'? That is what could have avoided this mess to begin with.
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No, and he doesn't say that. I don't see a sentence that says "I'll do extra work"
So, wtf are you emphasizing "extra" for. He never used that word.


scrogathon said:
I will gather and send everyone there receipts tommorow after I go to work, I screwed up bad on my behalf by not shipping everyones package out on time and will make up for it someway, wheather it be give them there money back and wait untill they recieve the packages, or just keeping in touch untill they do. Ill be back online at 3-4pm tommorow to let everyone know what they need.
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See?
It seems to me as if he's going to at least try to make good on his transactions, and at this point, that's all that can be asked. Yes, he fucked up, but yes, there was a reason. No, it doesn't mean it's fair to the people affected, but that doesn't change the fact that shit happens and he wasn't able to deal with it. He is dealing with it now. So, take a step back and watch what happens.
Until smartmoney comes back and says that the game he ordered came in pieces and scrog told him to go to hell, this issue seems like it's getting resolved, or at least it's ATTEMPTING to get resolved. scrog is communicating. smartmoney is communicating.

Hopefully smartmoney will actually wait a bit longer to see if it shows.
If It doesn't, scrog should refund the $, IMHO, but that might be a moot point, if smartmoney is pushing a claim already.
 
wow you guys all need control here......

Scrog keep in touch with the peeps and make sure everything follows through
thunder..... yeah
Ragdoll - simma down.... other than that have fun! :)

Lets get this resolved, the smoother this finishes the better things are
 
just because he is communicating doesnt mean anything could just be stalling untill the paypal is cleared and into his bank account, sounds liek a bunch of excuses to me. I could be wrong and i hope i am but be careful guys. hope all goes well
 
=Leefdawg= said:
just because he is communicating doesnt mean anything could just be stalling untill the paypal is cleared and into his bank account, sounds liek a bunch of excuses to me. I could be wrong and i hope i am but be careful guys. hope all goes well
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yep while i like to see the best in everyone I have had this happen before, stalling with lies and then once paypal is empty you have no way back.

but yeah it could be genuine too.
 
smartmoney said:
I did get a pm from scrog today.

No game today.

will give it some more time

thanks all
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Glad you got a reply from him. I'm still waiting for one regarding my package.

pumbertot said:
yep while i like to see the best in everyone I have had this happen before, stalling with lies and then once paypal is empty you have no way back.

but yeah it could be genuine too.
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This happened just recently with todd258. Lost $100 in that scam. He apparently cleaned out his PayPal almost immediately. I'm betting todd just spent the cash immediately since withdrawing takes 3-5 days, but using the PayPal Debit card is instant.
 
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@Scrogathon:

I got the email you sent me consisting of $7.00 CAD. Might I ask that you PM me or email me letting me know what exactly it is for? I stated before that I would not pursue any sort of refund with PayPal until the last possible day as I understand you're going through some problems. The only thing I do ask for is some communication. I also do not intend to accept your payment until I know what it's concerning.
 
Today is April 28 and no game today. The next opportunity is April 30. That would be 25 days after i paid.

I 'm only giving a couple more days
 
u better file a complaint with paypal after 30 days they wont do a thing
thats what he is waiting for
do something now or your going to lose your money
 
smartmoney said:
Today is April 28 and no game today. The next opportunity is April 30. That would be 25 days after i paid.

I 'm only giving a couple more days
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I would say that, since @ paypal you have 20 days to change a "dispute" to a claim, that this monday you should definately file a DISPUTE(if it doesn't arrive with your mail).

That is again based on your 04/05 date given.

You'll have started procedures, and still have almost 3 weeks before you are "really" out of luck.
 
You should go ahead and file a claim with paypal, if at the end of it all the package eventually comes then all you need to do is resend him the money that paypal refunds you or cancel the claim if it is still in the process of investigation.

I bought a joystick from him and its been 14 days since payment, I'm going to relax and give him some more time given his family situation he had, but I think I may file my claim on the 20th day just as an insurance policy.
 
wow @ ragdoll's commentary...

Unless you are physically unable to ship out your items, you are responsible. Even then you could get someone to do it for you.

This is not pennies you're holding. This is people's hard earned money.

When you sell an item, you're responsible for making sure the product gets there in a reasonable amount of time. If you're not ready for that responsibility then don't bother. If something happens, you're not excused from that responsibility.

Ragdoll is definitely on my DNT list
 
mon now and it is still not here.
Paypal here i come seeing that there is more than me not getting stuff from him.
 
osalcido said:
Ragdoll is definitely on my DNT list
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Good, remind me of that if I ever see something you are selling. Because your logic is flawed. Why is it flawed? Here's why.

osalcido said:
This is not pennies you're holding. This is people's hard earned money.
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the amount of the money shouldn't be the determining factor of you being patient or not. 50 cents or $50 should be treated the same way. The principal is either you will, or will not, be tolerant of people problems whether they are, or are not true. I choose to give people the benefit of the doubt. I was raised to believe that you are "innocent until proven guilty", or "fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me", or whichever axiom you'd like to apply here. My entire point of my replies was that MAYBE scrog is actually having issues. Maybe he isn't, and is just full of shit. A week after the item was shipped (april 17th as per scrogs statement) to the time the buyer complains is, IMHO, not enough of a grace period when you consider that the item has to cross a national border. 2 Weeks is pushing it, however, which is why even I say that smartmoney needs to file.

It is quite possible that MY opinion in this matter is wrong, and that scrog has jerked smartmoney around. Every day that passes makes it even more likely. However, I've had dealings where items just never showed for weeks on end, and when they do show, the DATE STAMP on them shows they were shipped on time. I've shipped items UPS and had them take 3 weeks to get there, even though I had a tracking # to show the buyer.

Shit happens is what I am saying. Until the item shows up, or never shows up, WE can't be certain what has happened. scrog says he shipped on the 17th. I was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt, which might have been a mistake.

osalcido said:
Unless you are physically unable to ship out your items, you are responsible. Even then you could get someone to do it for you.
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My situation was that I found out @ 5:30pm that my father was killed. I arranged a 2 am Red-Eye flight. I lived alone @ the time. When would I have had a chance to go to fedex? For the people I was buying from, they'd have to wait for me to send payment (see, the two BUY transactions I was in at the time were "they ship first") when I got back, as the items would arrive while I was away. As for the "SELLS" I was in, In my situation, I hadn't received ANY monies, and was telling people to withhold payment, or that if they couldn't, I'd be delayed in shipping. In all those cases where I was selling, I was receiving money first. Some were paypaling, some were money ordering, etc. Two users, as I said, even though they read the PM's I sent them kept sending me MANY pm's about "where's my money, where's my item"

Technically, even if I am physically unable to ship, i'm still responsible. It wasn't the other parties fault, in my case, that I had to cause a delay. 2 people decided to be dicks about it. the other 4 or 5 didn't, and didn't complain, or even leave negative heat.
 
smartmoney said:
paypal dispute started today.

Will inform if i hear anything.
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best path to go this long in to transaction, id say the seller just didnt have it in the first place and tried to get you to wait more time for paypal to clear. but like i said previously he might have already xferred the money out, hopefully you get your refund.
 
smartmoney said:
scrog is also selling here
http://www.savage-central.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=68670&highlight=
no game today
also he plays a lot of BF2

At this point i think a heat comment in his profile is warranted correct?

if i do so and he posts bad back unwarranted just because of that, can i get that removed?
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SO what if i have something for sale on another forum, I actually havent been selling those parts as you dont know what is said in private messages, Ive told anyone that wants something from me that I will ship first from now on to avoid these kind of problems.

go ahead and post negative heat, I will give you positive for my mistakes, Really I screwed up and deserve neg heat to let other buyers or sellers know that I can fuck up. I am saying this now and will again, if your package doesnt arrive or comes all mangled I will refund your money.


EVERY Person that purchased something from me will infact see there package sometime soon, Im sorry for everything that has happened.
 
smartmoney said:
also he plays a lot of BF2
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If All people who purchaed something from dont recieve your packages by friday, I will be glad to refund everyone in full. smartmoney I owe you 15, rouziki, I owe you 20.50, and mjstryker I owe you your tracking info, that still says its at customs.
 
scrogathon said:
SO what if i have something for sale on another forum, I actually havent been selling those parts as you dont know what is said in private messages, Ive told anyone that wants something from me that I will ship first from now on to avoid these kind of problems.

go ahead and post negative heat, I will give you positive for my mistakes, Really I screwed up and deserve neg heat to let other buyers or sellers know that I can fuck up. I am saying this now and will again, if your package doesnt arrive or comes all mangled I will refund your money.


EVERY Person that purchased something from me will infact see there package sometime soon, Im sorry for everything that has happened.
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LOL. So what? You dont even have any business posting anything for sale until you square these deals away.

With an attitude like that I would have ass raped you with paypal and heat so fast it would have made your head spin.
 
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