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Problems with Conroe build

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ATW

Limp Gawd
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I got this thing all put together, everything is installed and connected properly. When I tried powering it on the first time, it fired up, then stopped for a split second and then came back on. The motherboard then made a constant beep, the video card fan sped up and slowed back down repeatedly, and there was no picture on the monitor (as I'm assuming it's not posting). Never had a problem like this, so I'm clueles to say the least.
 
Double check that you've plugged in the power for the motherboard and the cpu's fan power cable into the motherboard.

You're motherboard manual should have a guide to what those beeping error messages mean.

If all else fails go component by component and see what's cutting out your power.

It could possibly be that somethings not plugged in properly, power supply is bad or perhaps it's even grounding issues.
 
I originally had my my CPU fan plugged into the PSU thinking the board might have the feature that my DFI NF3 had where the fan shut off below a certain temperature. After the problems mentioned in my first post during the intial power on, I moved the CPU fan to the motherboard and powered on again. This time the fan didn't even spin for a good 10 seconds after the system started running and began right as I was flipping the power switch to keep it from overheating, so I'm not sure if it will stay running or not.

Lostinrehab...I can't update the bios because I can't even get into it.
 
According to the manual it's a memory error. Guess I'll have to try 1 stick at time, but that still doesn't explain why the video card is going nuts.
 
make sure the vid card is not cocked and also make sure the power connector is in. is your 12v p4 connector plugged in?
 
^^^^^^^ I have done that before :(
Try doing a hard reset on your bios (take out battery and jumper it)
 
I can't even say for sure the memory is seated properly. On any other board I've ever owned I've been able to push them in and they'd lock right in. I'm done everything but take a hammer to these and they come up just a hir short of locking the clips all the way down.
 
vanilla_guerilla said:
make sure the vid card is not cocked and also make sure the power connector is in. is your 12v p4 connector plugged in?
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Both power connectors are in. I've check, rechecked, and checked them a 3rd time. Pulled the video card and put it back in, looks to be in correctly. Tried each stick of ram in both colored slots. Still getting a hiccup at power on, no CPU fan for about 10 seconds, several slow beeps, and a video card with a mind of its own.
 
Grab a stick of ddr2 533 and boot it that way. your ram may want to run at 2.0 or 2.1v but default for the mobo may be 1.8. may cause it to act wierd.
gwarren007
 
gwarren007 said:
Grab a stick of ddr2 533 and boot it that way. your ram may want to run at 2.0 or 2.1v but default for the mobo may be 1.8. may cause it to act wierd.
gwarren007
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I don't have access to any other DDR2 and I'm definitely not buying any.
 
Tried to get a POST without the video card and got several long, loud beeps.
 
ahhh, just noticed you have ds3 and gskill. Not a good combo. You probably need to swap RAM because those gskill HZ have been known to cause issues. Gskill said they would replace the RAM on XS forum, so you might ask them about it.
 
My guess is.... your ram isn't getting enough juice.

All of these fancy sticks of ram need more than default voltage to run, and the problem is the motherboard is trying to boot with default voltage of 1.8v which won't allow you to post. The later BIOS's F4, F5, F6 all start the ram out with 2.1v. But a lot of the boards came with BIOS F1, F2 or F3 on them!! Thats why people where using DDR2 533 or 667 that ran at 1.8v to boot, and either flash to new BIOS or manually set ram voltage, then put their other sticks in.
 
chrisf6969 said:
My guess is.... your ram isn't getting enough juice.

All of these fancy sticks of ram need more than default voltage to run, and the problem is the motherboard is trying to boot with default voltage of 1.8v which won't allow you to post. The later BIOS's F4, F5, F6 all start the ram out with 2.1v. But a lot of the boards came with BIOS F1, F2 or F3 on them!! Thats why people where using DDR2 533 or 667 that ran at 1.8v to boot, and either flash to new BIOS or manually set ram voltage, then put their other sticks in.
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That's how I got mine to boot. My board shipped with F3 on it, and it wouldn't make it through the post screen. I flashed it to F5, and it worked fine...except one of my memory sticks was bad. I could run perfectly fine with one stick in though. Tonight, I'm going to F6 before I start to install XP for the first time on it.
 
Anyone got a stick I can borrow? :D

Going to cost me another $30-40 just to get this pain in the ass to POST. Shoulda' stuck with AMD.
 
ATW said:
Anyone got a stick I can borrow? :D

Going to cost me another $30-40 just to get this pain in the ass to POST. Shoulda' stuck with AMD.
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Actually memory issues were pretty well documented on the forums. You really should have done your research on what memory to buy with your motherboard. Many people are getting these things to post with the right memory right out of the box even with an old bios.

Sorry you are having issues though. I was very worried about not getting mine to post when I built it since I didnt have any cheap slow memory(or an extra PCI video card) to get mine up and running but I did some research before I bought and used what others used with success.

Every time we have new memory standards there are some incompabilites. DDR was the same way back in the days of the early 754/939 days of amd and earlier. If I remember correctly even new DFI AMD boards dont like some brands of memory.
 
Yeah thats why I bought the ram that I did b/c its voltage was rated at 1.9v. You want the fastest sticks with the lowest voltage, that way hopefully you can give them more juice and squeeze more Mhz out of them. If you're buying ram rated at 2.2v at ddr2 800, all your buying is pretested OVERCLOCKED (probably 667) ram.

You want ram that does DDR2 800 at 1.8v preferrably.

Imagine if Intel sold you a chip and it was marked at 3Ghz at 1.5v.
I think I'd rather the 2.93Ghz at 1.325v, b/c the other cpu at 1.5v is already going to maxed out.

Anyway, my quick take on the dram voltage fiasco. All of these sticks SHOULD do their rated speed at 1.8v, and maybe tighter timings or ddr2 1000+, etc... at 2.0+v
 
Do the newer Bios revisions definitely default at <2.0v and boot with these sticks? If so, I'm just going to take the thing to a computer store and pay them to put a stick in and adjust vdimm and then I'll flash it.
 
Well the repair shop wants $35 for a 2 minute job, so I guess I'm going to have to buy a stick, as much as I don't want to. Found some $24 no-name junk DDR2-533 on newegg so I should finally have it running early next week.
 
ATW said:
Well the repair shop wants $35 for a 2 minute job, so I guess I'm going to have to buy a stick, as much as I don't want to. Found some $24 no-name junk DDR2-533 on newegg so I should finally have it running early next week.
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That sucks man. I hope you get it up and running soon. I've been pleased with my conroe system.
 
I'm still waiting on the cheapo stick I ordered to arrive (should be Monday) but the more I research the more worried I get that there is another issue. I haven't seen any mention of the several slow beeps from people that have had the memory voltage problem. Has anyone else here run into the same thing with the DS3 and gotten those beeps? Because of the amount of time this fiasco has taken up I'm cutting myself close on the 15-day RMA and if something turns up defective I've got a problem. The way the video card acted the 5-6 times I fired it up I think it may be bad, but I can't be sure until the thing runs for more than 15 seconds at a time.
 
ATW said:
I'm still waiting on the cheapo stick I ordered to arrive (should be Monday) but the more I research the more worried I get that there is another issue. I haven't seen any mention of the several slow beeps from people that have had the memory voltage problem. Has anyone else here run into the same thing with the DS3 and gotten those beeps? Because of the amount of time this fiasco has taken up I'm cutting myself close on the 15-day RMA and if something turns up defective I've got a problem. The way the video card acted the 5-6 times I fired it up I think it may be bad, but I can't be sure until the thing runs for more than 15 seconds at a time.
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If you shop at Newegg, you'd researched through the user reviews you'd see that this problem was first mentioned as an "AMD-->nVidia" memory problem. The very GKill I had was said to be Intel Only because it had this same problem with nVidia boards. be they AMD or Intel based boards. Please read what Chris said more carefully, he is dead on. I bought a cheap stick of DDR2 to test someone else's system. So yes, having a cheap stick on hand is not a bad thing.

DS3's stopping and starting is normal after a cold boot, not the first system to do that BTW. I never had any slow beep problem though. If your ram doesn't fully seat, you have it offset or back wards. I've found that DDR2 is easier to mount than DDR1. The Notch on DDR2 is not quite in the middle or centered as it looks. Might be the cause of your beeps.
 
Just stuck the cheap stick of memory in and it's doing the EXACT same thing it did before. Slow beeps, sluggish to start, and the video card fan going nuts. Any ideas before I literally throw this damn thing out the back door?
 
well, the thing I normally do is try testing each component seperately.

Unfortunately, its not feasible or practically for most people. Luckily, like when I first got my new mobo & CPU, everything else I already had with my old system so if anything was bad, I would have been able to narrow it down to either the CPU or mobo. And I had a Pentium D that I could have tested in the mobo to eliminate the mobo as the problem.

Anyway, I've had problems like that before that were as simple as forgetting to plug in the 4 prong 12v line, CPU fan header, ram not all the way in / seated properly. I've also seen people have something on the case short something out on the motherboard. Like an extra standoff in a place that wasn't needed.

I'd take everything apart, reassemble it outside of the case where you can see that every component is seated perfectly. And you can be sure nothing is shorted, etc.
 
I just took everything out of the case and re-assembled it on the cardboard box. Took the heatsink off, the CPU, RAM, and GPU out and re-seated them. Now it won't beep at all. No POST, no several long beeps, nothing. And if I plug the CPU fan into the motherboard it doesn't start spinning until nearly 10 seconds after the rest of the system starts, so the CPU has to be getting hot. If I plug it into the PSU it starts right away. Only difference now is the video card is running correctly. Both power connectors are in, the RAM is seated correctly, I don't know what else to try. I'm going to call Gigabyte tech support but my only guess is something is faulty.
 
Well, Gigabyte support was of no use. He said the PSU, CPU, RAM, or motherboard could be bad. No kidding. If no one has any ideas all I can do is RMA the CPU, RAM, and motherboard and try new or build something else.
 
ATW said:
Well, Gigabyte support was of no use. He said the PSU, CPU, RAM, or motherboard could be bad. No kidding. If no one has any ideas all I can do is RMA the CPU, RAM, and motherboard and try new or build something else.
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most likely problems in order:
# 1 - user error (nothing personal) - you did something wrong or broke something :(
# 2 - motherboard
# 3 - ram
# 4 - PSU
 
chrisf6969 said:
most likely problems in order:
# 1 - user error (nothing personal) - you did something wrong or broke something :(
# 2 - motherboard
# 3 - ram
# 4 - PSU
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I've built a few PC's before so I'd like to think no user-error is involved. Some of the things it's doing has got me confused. At first it'd beep several times (memory error) and the video card wouldn't run right. Now I get no beeps and the video card runs fine. But the oddest of all....with the system shut down, if I press on the RAM to check seating, or plug in the video card or hard drives, the CPU fan will spin a couple times like it's recieving a quick pulse of power.
 
No idea, try taking everything apart, triple checking everything one more time, then RMA the motherboard. As its mostly likely the problem. But what kind of made me think there's some user error is that you're getting different problems when you reassembled it.

IF you can, try testing the videocard and ram in someone else's computer if possible.
 
I think brand of ram / voltage is your problem.

I've just built a p965ry and noticed a gigabit lan issue.

I was using Corsair 5-5-5-12 1.9v ram got a puase on power up but with no beeps.

I did have to disable lan in the bios even after updating bios thru a usb device and get a network card.

It would just cut the power whenever I tried to load that lan driver on.
 
chrisf6969 said:
But what kind of made me think there's some user error is that you're getting different problems when you reassembled it.

IF you can, try testing the videocard and ram in someone else's computer if possible.
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That thought crossed my mind, but I don't think I could've possibly damaged anything and be unaware of it.

I don't know anyone that has a PCIe or DDR2 system to test things on. All I can really do is swallow what little pride I've got left and take it somewhere to have each component checked one by one. If I started RMA'ing things peice by peice until it works, it'd be 2007 before I ever see so much as a Bios screen.
 
ATW said:
That thought crossed my mind, but I don't think I could've possibly damaged anything and be unaware of it.

I don't know anyone that has a PCIe or DDR2 system to test things on. All I can really do is swallow what little pride I've got left and take it somewhere to have each component checked one by one. If I started RMA'ing things peice by peice until it works, it'd be 2007 before I ever see so much as a Bios screen.
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Yep. That can be a pain in the ass, to RMA each part. I've been SUPER lucky that off all of my builds, I've only had 1 bad stick of ram, and one bad PSU.

The PSU I should have expected to fail. I built a very BASIC granny email box with an Aspire case with 400W PSU, Celeron 2.53Ghz OC'd to 3Ghz, GF4 Mx, 512Mb ram and after a week the PC started randomly rebooting. When it did that while in the BIOS, I realized it was probably the crappy PSU, swapped it out for an OLD 300W PSU I had laying around and its been purring along ever since.
 
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