Problems with 1920x1080

AngryJim

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I posted this in the display forum and got nothing in reply, I figured I should try it here to see if I can get some info. I am not trying to play games at this resolution, just general usage for now (web browsing, word processing, iTunes, etc).

I've finally got my Westinghouse setup on my computer, but I've been having some display issues. Both DVI 1 and 2 work just fine with resolution at 1920x1080 with refresh set at 30 hz interlaced. At 60 hz, DVI 1 is a scrambled screen and DVI 2 has everything shifted to the left with a good portion of the desktop being cut off. Does anyone know if this is more likely to be a problem with my video card or the display itself? I'm running a Radeon 9800 pro. I know my card is pretty ancient, I am buying a new computer this month with an 8800, but this has to carry me over til then.

I should mention that I am running the latest drivers and the 9800 should be able to run at 1920x1080 according to a chart here:

http://ati.amd.com/products/radeon98...pro/specs.html

AngryJim
 
My 9200 can drive a Dell 2407 at 1920x1200@63Hz, so I suspect that a custom timing may fix things.

FWIW, I can drive the Dell at 1920x1080@60Hz using this timing via powerstrip:
1920x1080=1920,40,32,56,1080,61,3,88,151388,1
(i.e. HFP=40 HSW=32 HBP=56 VFP=61 VSW=3 VBP=88, Hz=60)

But before you try that, have a look at the displays' EDID (use http://www.entechtaiwan.net/util/moninfo.shtm) and see what it says re custom timings.
 
Here's what I get:

Monitor
Windows description......... Plug and Play Monitor
Manufacturer description.... LVM-42w2
Manufacturer................ Westinghouse
————————————————————————————
Plug and Play ID............ WDE4251
Serial number............... n/a
EDID data source............ I2C bus (real-time)
————————————————————————————
Manufacture date............ 2006, ISO week 41
EDID revision............... 1.3
Display type and signal..... Digital
Sync input support.......... n/a
Screen size................. 930 x 520 mm (~44")
Power management............ Active off/sleep

Color characteristics
Display gamma............... 2.20
Red chromaticity............ Rx 0.652 - Ry 0.331
Green chromaticity.......... Gx 0.277 - Gy 0.597
Blue chromaticity........... Bx 0.143 - By 0.065
White point (default)....... Wx 0.285 - Wy 0.293

Timing characteristics
VESA GTF support............ Not supported
Horizontal scan range....... 30-80kHz
Vertical scan range......... 60-75Hz
Video bandwidth............. 150MHz
Extension blocks............ n/a
Timing recommendation #1.... 1920x1080 at 60Hz
Modeline................ "1920x1080" 148.500 1920 2008 2052 2200 1080 1084 1089 1125 +hsync -vsync
Timing recommendation #2.... 1920x540 at 60Hz
Modeline................ "1920x540" 74.250 1920 2008 2052 2200 540 542 547 562 +hsync +vsync
Timing recommendation #3.... 1920x1080 at 30Hz
Modeline................ "1920x1080" 74.250 1920 2008 2052 2200 1080 1084 1094 1124 interlace +hsync +vsync

Standard timings supported
640 x 480 at 60Hz - IBM VGA
640 x 480 at 67Hz - Mac II
640 x 480 at 72Hz - VESA
640 x 480 at 75Hz - VESA
720 x 400 at 70Hz - IBM VGA
800 x 600 at 60Hz - VESA
800 x 600 at 72Hz - VESA
800 x 600 at 75Hz - VESA
832 x 624 at 75Hz - Mac II
1024 x 768 at 60Hz - VESA
1024 x 768 at 70Hz - VESA
1024 x 768 at 75Hz - VESA
1152 x 864 at 75Hz - VESA
1152 x 870 at 75Hz - Mac II
1280 x 720 at 60Hz - VESA
1280 x 1024 at 60Hz - VESA
1280 x 1024 at 75Hz - VESA
1280 x 1280 at 60Hz - VESA
1920 x 540 at 60Hz - Westinghouse
1920 x 1080 at 30Hz - Westinghouse
1920 x 1080 at 60Hz - Westinghouse

Raw EDID base
00: 00 FF FF FF FF FF FF 00 5C 85 51 42 01 01 01 01
10: 29 10 01 03 80 5D 34 78 2A 33 B0 A7 54 47 98 24
20: 10 49 4B BD EF 80 71 4F 81 80 81 C0 81 00 01 01
30: 01 01 01 01 01 01 02 3A 80 18 71 38 2D 40 58 2C
40: 45 00 A2 08 32 00 00 1A 01 1D 80 18 71 1C 16 20
50: 58 2C 25 00 A2 08 32 00 00 9E 00 00 00 FD 00 3C
60: 4B 1E 50 0F 00 0A 20 20 20 20 20 20 00 00 00 FC
70: 00 4C 56 4D 2D 34 32 77 32 0A 20 20 20 20 00 A1

Display adapter
Adapter description......... RADEON 9800 PRO
Adapter device ID........... 0x4E481002
Display settings............ 1280x1024, 32bpp

User/computer information
Registered user name........ Jim
Registered organization..... Jim's Organization
Network user name........... AngryJim
Network computer name....... JIM
Windows version ............ Windows XP
Windows build .............. 5.01.2600 Service Pack 2
Installation date .......... 3/5/2007 12:00:00 PM
 
Alright I played around with custom resolutions in powerstrip for awhile and it seems I've got a 1920x1080 resolution that properly fits the screen, but there's another problem. When I first started messing around with resolutions on this new monitor (I always used to be at 1280x1024) these weird blue pixels started showing up in random places. Sometimes dragging a window across them caused them to disappear, but it's been gradually getting worse. Now that I'm using Powerstrip at 1920x1080, it's gotten out of hand (pictures below). Does this mean my current card is totally corrupted? I was thinking of replacing it with a Radeon 1650 AGP so that I can still use it once I get my new gaming rig, would that possibly fix this or is there something else in the computer that's causing problems? Both Xbox360 and my friends computer (w/ a 7950gtx) run fine on the monitor, it's just my computer that's having problems.

(Having trouble with the pictures, will post later)
 
What was the timing you got to work?

The EDID shows that Timing recommendation #1 ( = prefered native resolution timing) 1920x1080p60 is actually the formal EIA/CEA-861-B #16 timing which is the same as the SMPTE 274M-1998 #1 timing. The problem with these timings is that they have horizontal timings based on 4-pixel blocks (e.g. HSW=44). According to the makers of PowerStrip your 9800 can't generate that sort of timing, but your friends' 7950 can (http://www.entechtaiwan.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=20). PowerStrip lists EIA/CEA-861-B timings (which you could also try if you haven't yet), but I have discovered that the PowerStrip timings are not true EIA/CEA-861-B timings:-
EIA/CEA-861-B #16 <=> SMPTE 274M-1998 #1
H-scan 67.500 kHz, Hres 1920, HFP 088, HSW 044, HBP 148, Htot 2200. V-refresh 60.000 Hz, Vres 1080, VFP 4, HSW 5, VBP 036, Vtot: 1125.
"Pseudo" EIA/CEA-861-B 1920x1080p60 (PowerStrip)
H-scan 67____ kHz, Hres 1920, HFP 088, HSW 048, HBP 144, Htot 2200. V-refresh 60____ Hz, Vres 1080, VFP 4, HSW 5, VBP 036, Vtot: 1125.


My experience with the Dell is that it is very sensitive to HFP/HSW/HBP changes. Other panels care a lot less ...

Re the blue pixels:
Others are having similar problems (e.g. http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1162881); all sorts of cards are affected ...
 
Ok, here's what the monitor is currently doing. I removed powerstrip and went back to 1280x1024, which worked just fine before. Now the image is really, really corrupted. Its to the point that I'm on my roommates pc because mine is so unusable. I have tried both DVI and VGA with three different monitors (42" westinghouse, 19" LCD, 19" CRT) all with the same result. I am convinced my video card is destroyed. I am currently running with my 19" CRT because if any damage is being inflicted on my display, I'd rather destroy that one than any other. These pictures are from the CRT, but all three monitors look the same.



 
Yeech!

I don't think I can help with that!

But if it is doing it on other monitors too then yep, I'd agree that it looks like the card is stuffed.
 
spring break starts on friday for me, so my roommate is going to let me borrow his 6600 from his secondary computer to see if that works. If it does, I'll just buy a new AGP card.
 
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