ppd numbers?

[Toconator]

My ppd numbers are not what they should be and I can't figure out why. Maybe some of our experts can point me in the right direction? Here's my folding configs:

Q6600 @ 3.2 GHz, 1600 FSB, Win7x64; GTX 260-216 602/1512/999
smp 6.29 , big, -smp -verbosity 9, passkeyed
gpu 6.23, big, -verbosity 9 -forceasm, cores not locked, passkeyed

Phenom II X4 945 @ 3.0 GHz, Win7x64; R4850-512MB 635/1003
smp 6.29, big, -smp -verbosity 9 -forceasm, passkeyed
gpu 6.23, big, -verbosity 9 -forcegpu ati_r700 -forceasm, cores not locked, passkeyed
CAL_NO_FLUSH CAL_PRE_FLUSH BROOK_YIELD applied to system variables

C2D e7200 @ 3.1 GHz, WinXP Pro; GTS250-512MB 702/1512/993
cpu 6.23, big, -advmethods -verbosity 9 -forceasm, passkeyed
cpu 6.23, normal, -verbosity 9 -forceasm, passkeyed
gpu 6.23, big, -verbosity 9 -forceasm, cores not locked, passkeyed

Athlon X2 6400+ @ 3.2 GHz, Win Home Server; onboard nf7050a
cpu 6.23, big, -advmethods -verbosity9 -forceasm, passkeyed
cpu 6.23, normal, -verbosity 9 -forceasm, passkeyed

Sempron 2600+ @ 1.6 GHz, WinXP Pro; onboard SiS Mirage
cpu 6.23, normal, -verbosity 9 -forceasm

According to HFM my ppd's for these should be approx. 11462, 5941, 5385, 290 with no HFM result for the lowly Sempron, either it can't get a read on the old chip or the no frame time core its running right now doesn't show a ppd (ETA is 9 days ahead of deadline tho).
That's over 23K ppd not including the Sempron. Funny thing is I only get 8-11K ppd at [H]ardfolding day in day out. I'm trying to break into the top 100 for Team33 and I've got jimbowdang chomping on my ass and several other [H]orders threatening to pass me before I reach the 100 mark. All hints and suggestions muchly appreciated

 

[Mr. Pedantic]

You're not getting any credit for any SMP units as far as I can tell. That just about matches your predicted output - the question is, why are they not getting any work, or if they are, why are not finishing it and/or sending it back and getting you a bonus?

Post up some logs. I'm intrigued as to what's going on.

 

[lehmann]

first off turn off the ati card it will kill your smp points. take the semptron and give it to a family member or someone who doesnt own a computer. double check your passkey!!! i have messed this up myself. something is very wrong as just your gtx260 and gts250 should do more points than your showing. Your athlon X2 should be running smp and should do 1,000-1,500ppd. this is a little easyer to read than hardfolding. http://folding.extremeoverclocking.com/user_summary.php?s=&u=47189

 

[sirmonkey1985]

eww your running the classic client WU's.. your running to many CPU clients.. get rid of the extra cpu clients on the dual cores and run the SMP client.. you will still get double the PPD then what your currently getting.. its also why your seeing shit points because you are not getting the bonus points.. the classic single core client does not count toward the bonus points only A3 SMP WU's.. the E7200 and x2 6400+ will have no issues meeting the deadlines for the A3 WU's..

lehmann.. hes running the ATI fix variables so its not effecting his cpu clients..

 

[ghost6303]

for the Q6600 and phenom machines, SMP client, try running with "-smp 4 -verbosity 9 -advmethods".

on the e7200 machine (and maybe the 6400+ too), replace both cpu clients with a single SMP client and run with "-smp 2 -verbosity 9 -advmethods".

make sure your passkey is entered for all of em. you shouldnt need the forceasm flag on any of the clients, unless you have stability issues, then you have bigger problems to worry about.

i find that running folding on a AIT card, given the CPU points it steals, the low points it returns, and the increased heat generated / power used, even with the hacked variables, it isnt worth folding on.

 

[zero2dash]

I will vote against using -advmethods on those machines. You also do not need to use a # after the -smp flag unless you're trying to run at a lower # (ie to keep a core idle, like running -smp 3 on the quad to have 1 idle core). Just use -smp -verbosity 9

The way WU's are going lately, -advmethods on quads and duals is just a PPD killer. (I have a q9450 and an e8400, I can verify this - which is why I removed -advmethods from all of my clients.)

The only circumstance I would use -advmethods would be with an x6 which is powerful enough to crunch those kinds of WU's, but not allowed in the client to get a -bigadv.
Even though they've gone public and you can still get them without it - 6071's and the such, will just about 1/2 the PPD of a 3.2ghz+ quad. (My q9450@3.6 had this happen, as did my e8400@stock 3ghz.) -Advmethods is practically a "hey, give me the largest WU's you can! I can take 'em!" flag, and the way the larger WU's are now, they just drag anything but HT i7's to a crawl. You may get a 6071 once in awhile without -advmethods, but you will not get it as often. (Since removing the flag, my PPD has went up quite a bit, back to where it should be on my q9450 and e8400.)

 

[sirmonkey1985]

for the Q6600 and phenom machines, SMP client, try running with "-smp 4 -verbosity 9 -advmethods".

on the e7200 machine (and maybe the 6400+ too), replace both cpu clients with a single SMP client and run with "-smp 2 -verbosity 9 -advmethods".

make sure your passkey is entered for all of em. you shouldnt need the forceasm flag on any of the clients, unless you have stability issues, then you have bigger problems to worry about.

i find that running folding on a AIT card, given the CPU points it steals, the low points it returns, and the increased heat generated / power used, even with the hacked variables, it isnt worth folding on.

you know you dont have to put smp 2 or smp 4 right? if you just put -smp it will use all the cores.. the only reason you put the number after it is if you have say an i7 then you set the it to say -smp 7 so you have 1 thread free..

 

[Toconator]

Thx for the tips! I guess I'll change the dual cores over to smp then but I thought only the old deino was for XP and I wasn't sure if smp would run at all on WHS and I do stream video from the server once in awhile thru TVersity so I didn't know if it was a good idea but for double or more ppd I'll go for it (am getting only 300 ppd on current 2 proteins). Yes my passkey is correct as I triple checked them all. You guys might be right about the Radeon as I do get some crashes with it due to problem with the core every 2-3 days, but it only gets 3-500 ppd and the PhIIX4 gets 5.5K + according to HFM so even if I'm not around to babysit the Radeon I didn't think I was losing much. It does run LOUD tho and I had to put a fan on the side of my NZXT case to suck out the hot air too so I will shut it down and see if the PhII can make up the diff. Ya GTS250 has 4-5K ppd as per HFM, too bad I just missed a limited deal on the MSI Frozr last week for only $69! As for smp 4, I thought the default with no number was to use all cores? CPU usage on all 4 cores is pegged at 95-100% at all times on the Q6600 and 100% on the PhIIX4 (I think I put 95% usage during initial config for the Q6600). my logs indicate completed on the gpu clients. I just added the forceasm switches to most of the clients yesterday and I'm seeing higher numbers so far today. As for the headless Sempron, it just sits on the floor under a parts bench on wifi, no other need for it and maybe it's gettin' 50-100 ppd? don't care really just thought I'd put it in an old case with PS and see if it would help. maybe I'll come across an old S754 CPU I can swap in for a boost.

 

[sirmonkey1985]

Thx for the tips! I guess I'll change the dual cores over to smp then but I thought only the old deino was for XP and I wasn't sure if smp would run at all on WHS and I do stream video from the server once in awhile thru TVersity so I didn't know if it was a good idea but for double or more ppd I'll go for it (am getting only 300 ppd on current 2 proteins). Yes my passkey is correct as I triple checked them all. You guys might be right about the Radeon as I do get some crashes with it due to problem with the core every 2-3 days, but it only gets 3-500 ppd and the PhIIX4 gets 5.5K + according to HFM so even if I'm not around to babysit the Radeon I didn't think I was losing much. It does run LOUD tho and I had to put a fan on the side of my NZXT case to suck out the hot air too so I will shut it down and see if the PhII can make up the diff. Ya GTS250 has 4-5K ppd as per HFM, too bad I just missed a limited deal on the MSI Frozr last week for only $69! As for smp 4, I thought the default with no number was to use all cores? CPU usage on all 4 cores is pegged at 95-100% at all times on the Q6600 and 100% on the PhIIX4 (I think I put 95% usage during initial config for the Q6600). my logs indicate completed on the gpu clients. I just added the forceasm switches to most of the clients yesterday and I'm seeing higher numbers so far today. As for the headless Sempron, it just sits on the floor under a parts bench on wifi, no other need for it and maybe it's gettin' 50-100 ppd? don't care really just thought I'd put it in an old case with PS and see if it would help. maybe I'll come across an old S754 CPU I can swap in for a boost.

well if you need a socket 754 processor i have a sempron 3000+ sempron 3100+ and a athlon 64 3200+ clawhammer.. none of them are really being used.. the athlon 64 i have with me right now the semprons are back at home though im sure i can get some one at home to ship the processors if you want one of them..

 

[Toconator]

well thx SM, but I'm north of the border in Vancouver (thank God the Olympics are gone) and I think you're from Calif? might be more hassle than it's worth to ship it across the line. Love Calif by the way, been to SD twice and also to SF/Napa Valley/SJ. Good times, nice people, great sports

 

[Toconator]

got smp on the Server box now, took a few reboots to get the service registered and running so I could alter the Log On properties. looking good so far. wife and kids left to visit (shudder) her sister from out of town so now the e7200 rig is open for reconfig. played around with HFM on the Sempron box and it now reports 64 ppd

/sounds of Toconator scratching and clawing up the [H]orde ladder...

 

[sirmonkey1985]

well thx SM, but I'm north of the border in Vancouver (thank God the Olympics are gone) and I think you're from Calif? might be more hassle than it's worth to ship it across the line. Love Calif by the way, been to SD twice and also to SF/Napa Valley/SJ. Good times, nice people, great sports

im in washington now.. Spokane to be specific.. just moved here a month ago.. btw i hate california.. but then again i lived there for 24 years and know all the issues with that crappy state.. but ill agree the Napa Valley is awesome.. ive never been to SD but one of these days ill go down there..

hell id drive up to vancouver from here and give it to you but i left my stupid passport at my parents house in california..

 

[Toconator]

Spokane? never been there but been to Seattle many many times, quite a few Seahawk games too. Too bad about the passport, guess I'll have to drink all this cold beer myself Thx again for the offer, once NFL season starts maybe I'll come down there for a few cold ones. There a ALOT of good American beers, Henry Weinhard's Blue Boar Pale Ale comes immediately to mind from Oregon, look around for it and see for yerself

 

[sirmonkey1985]

Spokane? never been there but been to Seattle many many times, quite a few Seahawk games too. Too bad about the passport, guess I'll have to drink all this cold beer myself Thx again for the offer, once NFL season starts maybe I'll come down there for a few cold ones. There a ALOT of good American beers, Henry Weinhard's Blue Boar Pale Ale comes immediately to mind from Oregon, look around for it and see for yerself

i like canadian beer's better.. been addicted to kokanee since i got here.. since they dont sell it in california.. kinda sucks that the raiders dont play the seahawks in seattle at all this year..

 

[Toconator]

C2D now running smp after a few reboots as well, a3 core, 2K ppd. Reinstalled the GPU2 client as a service this time and ppd are way down on it (1178 ppd) but its with a new P6600 so maybe it's a heavy one. viewer on old client would BSOD the PC anyways and it's the family rig so I suspect the multi-users scenario might have intro'd the instability. No more asm switches on either either.

/more sounds of clawing and scratching ...

 

[sirmonkey1985]

C2D now running smp after a few reboots as well, a3 core, 2K ppd. Reinstalled the GPU2 client as a service this time and ppd are way down on it (1178 ppd) but its with a new P6600 so maybe it's a heavy one. viewer on old client would BSOD the PC anyways and it's the family rig so I suspect the multi-users scenario might have intro'd the instability. No more asm switches on either either.

/more sounds of clawing and scratching ...

yeah the user switching will screw it up.. the only downfall to running the client as a service is if games are played on that system you cant really disable the client without going to the service list and disabling the client that way so it may effect the performance of any games.. the low PPD sounds like the cards stuck in 2D mode.. and yes the viewer is bugged.. always has been and always will be not to mention kills PPD when its on since the cards having to render the graphic..

 

[Toconator]

Hmm, GPUz sensors reports full speeds, 99% usage, 289MB RAM use, 65C temps, 45% fan speed so it seems it's in 3D mode. ppd has changed to 1775 now, maybe it needs to ramp up over time? I didn't delete the cores from the directory, just the exe and dll's when I reinstalled, then ran as a service. Primary use is facebook/email/surf PC, kids mostly play flash games on the rig and the odd game of AOE3 now that I got them the Xbox360. If we go for a SupCom LAN match I'll have to remember to stop the service. (smack with palm in forehead) Now I remember why I didn't install as a service earlier

 

[leagle]

Depending on how you have it set up, HFM won't start giving you accurate ppd until you've run three frames on any particular client. That could be the reason that it jumped up to 1775.

 

[sirmonkey1985]

Hmm, GPUz sensors reports full speeds, 99% usage, 289MB RAM use, 65C temps, 45% fan speed so it seems it's in 3D mode. ppd has changed to 1775 now, maybe it needs to ramp up over time? I didn't delete the cores from the directory, just the exe and dll's when I reinstalled, then ran as a service. Primary use is facebook/email/surf PC, kids mostly play flash games on the rig and the odd game of AOE3 now that I got them the Xbox360. If we go for a SupCom LAN match I'll have to remember to stop the service. (smack with palm in forehead) Now I remember why I didn't install as a service earlier

lol damn i need to get me a real internet connection i miss not being able to play supcom:FA online.. i still think theres something being reported incorrectly because you should be in the 6k PPD range with that gpu.. might want to check and make sure that you dont have 2 clients running.. because the actual exe used on boot up is in your application data folder not the folder installed on your C drive..

 

[Toconator]

Hey SM, it is only running 1-smp and 1-gpu clients. I've got HFM calc ppd by effective rate so that's why it fluctuates a little I guess, 2.1K/2.5K gpu/smp right now. The C2D rig is running XP Pro and both clients are installed to the root of c:\ so it's not in the app data folder. I got in the habit of doing this because I'm the only one with admin priviledges on all the PCs. My teens and admin priv's don't mix well

 

[Toconator]

Just downloaded a new gpu client, still P6600 but diff parts. Now HFM reports 3.6K/2.6K gpu/smp so I think you might be right leagle, HFM needs more time

 

[sirmonkey1985]

Hey SM, it is only running 1-smp and 1-gpu clients. I've got HFM calc ppd by effective rate so that's why it fluctuates a little I guess, 2.1K/2.5K gpu/smp right now. The C2D rig is running XP Pro and both clients are installed to the root of c:\ so it's not in the app data folder. I got in the habit of doing this because I'm the only one with admin priviledges on all the PCs. My teens and admin priv's don't mix well

okie dokie.. lol whats up with kids these days.. i mean shit i was building my own computers when i was 6 and always had admin privs on my own computers.. by the time i was 12 i had 3 computers just to myself..

 

[Toconator]

You're lucky! The personal PC wasn't even invented when I was a teen. Had a smokin' PC at the high school tho: dual floppy drives! I'm talking the original 8-inch floppies that held a whoppin' 64K ! Still have one here in my shop with old BASIC and Assembler prog's on it. Ah, the good old days filling out line after line of code on cards and running the stack and watching the DOS prompt on a black and white monochrome monitor ...

 

[sirmonkey1985]

You're lucky! The personal PC wasn't even invented when I was a teen. Had a smokin' PC at the high school tho: dual floppy drives! I'm talking the original 8-inch floppies that held a whoppin' 64K ! Still have one here in my shop with old BASIC and Assembler prog's on it. Ah, the good old days filling out line after line of code on cards and running the stack and watching the DOS prompt on a black and white monochrome monitor ...

lol my first ever computer i used was a 486.. first computer i ever built was a pentium I 166mhz.. thought that thing was awesome.. then i got my pentium II 300 overclocked it to 500mhz with my uncles help and then from that point on i was an overclocking addict..

 

[Toconator]

Heh, OCing sure sparks the interest doesn't it? I tried OCing my P233mmx but it wouldn't do a thing, then I got a P266 to do 300 on 75MHz bus but mobos were crude back then, PCI and AGP busses would go too far out of whack. Shoulda seen the [H] back then, you wouldn't recognize it. Then I got the fabled Celeron 300/Abit BH6 combo and a PII300 and ASUS P2B combo and had 2 top end rigs at once. Been hooked ever since, always have something OCed around here

 

[amdgamer]

lol my first ever computer i used was a 486.. first computer i ever built was a pentium I 166mhz.. thought that thing was awesome.. then i got my pentium II 300 overclocked it to 500mhz with my uncles help and then from that point on i was an overclocking addict..

Brings back memories, I just opened up my 486/66/DX2 up today as it needs a new CMOS battery. It has both a 3.5 and 5.25inch floppy drive, and has a VESA Local Bus video card on it with a Cirrus Logic graphics chip.

I think i'm going to leave the CMOS battery alone as it isn't very accessible and I don't want to take the time which I don't have right now.