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Possible Scam

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Kazappin

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I recently traded with a member here (won't post username for a while) and sold him my Adobe Creative Suite Design Premium 3. I got tired of web design after a while, so I posted a thread here and it took a while, but someone offered for it. I agreed, and as I only had one heat agreed to ship first (he had 41). Shipped it on the 23rd of December, the holidays delayed it until the 29th. While all this was going on we'd been providing contact info: phone no, address, etc. He emailed me on the 29th to say he'd received and signed for it (USPS tracking confirmed this). I sent him a reply email with my paypal requesting payment.

A week goes by and I don't hear anything from him. I sent him a few emails and called a few times to ask if everything was okay, but no response. Then on the 5th I get an email from Adobe saying a ticked had been resolved and closed regarding my serial number on the CS3 package. I went to see the ticket and it stated that he was trying to free the serial from my account so that he could "sell" it. It was decided in his favor, without me ever having anything to say about it.

Now it's 3 days later and I haven't had a single email, call, anything since the 29th. I'm just wondering what I can do, not necessarily to get my money pack (I would really like to if possible, but I understand that's going to be a long shot), but at least to let him know that doing stuff like that isn't cool. I can provide screenshots of the emails, PMs or anything else that I have to verify this.

Thank you!
 
Post his username, waiting isn't going to help. How is it that you guys are messaging each other back and forth like BFFs and as soon as he gets it, he's online doing funny business with Adobe and can't find the time to send you a measly response?

I hate people like that, what would his mother say :rolleyes:
 
I don't want to ruin anyone's reputation if he comes through. Even if he takes a while, I'd just really like to have the money.

An email wouldn't take more than 10 seconds (Hi, here's the payment coming soon) and then another 30 seconds to paypal me. I'm really not sure what he's doing.
 
If he does come through with a legit excuse for cutting off communication then his reputation won't be ruined, since a week from now people will forget about any of this.

The point is you need to post his username if YOU want to get in touch with him, posting it here should put his reputation at risk and cause him to react.

Though, I understand what you're saying, you can wait a few days but how long will you keep waiting =/, good luck!

Edit: As a matter of fact, why not put his reputation at risk? He didn't borrow your skateboard, this is your money he has. I don't **** around with money.

Edit 2 After Reading Post Below: True as hell, wtf were you thinking? The customer pays first, the customer EASILY gets the money back should he file a claim. You send your product first you ain't claiming jacks****. Everywhere you look the customer pays first, I don't want to say the customer ALWAYS pays first, because someone will post a smart-ass comment, but a good rule of thumb is the customer ALWAYS pays first.
 
[H]adouken;1033566960 said:
If he does come through with a legit excuse for cutting off communication then his reputation won't be ruined, since a week from now people will forget about any of this.

The point is you need to post his username if YOU want to get in touch with him, posting it here should put his reputation at risk and cause him to react.

Though, I understand what you're saying, you can wait a few days but how long will you keep waiting =/, good luck!
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He hasn't logged on since the 23rd of December, so he might not even be coming back X(.
 
Kazappin said:
I'm a new member with only one heat: he has 41.
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The hell with heat, when new grocery stores open up around my way, no one asks to try the tomatoes out for a day and then come back with money. The customer pays first, that's final. Why? I've already said this, customer can't get f*cked over as quick as the seller can.

Regardless of heat, what would've happened if he paid first and you scammed him? He files a claim to PayPal, he gets his money back. Thus, the customer ALWAYS pays first, it's the correct thing to do, since the customer is covered, where the seller is not.

Him: "Oh my heat is fourty one times > than yours, you send it first cuz I don't trust you.
Mindset: "If I don't pay for it, what can you do? C'mon little noob go with me here, you need to make a sale and I'm the guy!"
 
Actually the customer can. Imagine that the store sold him a tomato and after he paid for it and was leaving they swiped it from his bag? If it always should be customer first, then heat wouldn't be needed. But with heat senior members are lower on the list of who's more likely to get scammed.

But enough with that. I did what I did, might not have been the best decision but I can't change that now.
 
What? Customers can't take products out to borrow without payment in most stores. And what do you mean take it from his bag? He already paid who cares they made a sale, you weren't paid at all yet you gave the tomato away. But hey if you feel it was the right thing to do then I really can't change your mind about it.
 
[H]adouken;1033567080 said:
What? Customers can't take products out to borrow without payment in most stores. And what do you mean take it from his bag? He already paid who cares they made a sale, you weren't paid at all yet you gave the tomato away. But hey if you feel it was the right thing to do then I really can't change your mind about it.
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For a member of nine days you're awfully arrogant and eager to cut others down.
 
[H]adouken;1033567042 said:
The hell with heat, when new grocery stores open up around my way, no one asks to try the tomatoes out for a day and then come back with money. The customer pays first, that's final. Why? I've already said this, customer can't get f*cked over as quick as the seller can.

Regardless of heat, what would've happened if he paid first and you scammed him? He files a claim to PayPal, he gets his money back. Thus, the customer ALWAYS pays first, it's the correct thing to do, since the customer is covered, where the seller is not.

Him: "Oh my heat is fourty one times > than yours, you send it first cuz I don't trust you.
Mindset: "If I don't pay for it, what can you do? C'mon little noob go with me here, you need to make a sale and I'm the guy!"
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Its pretty customary to ship first to people with high heat....I personally will never send money to someone with little or no heat.
its that persons prerogative to trust me or not...I have 258-0-0 on heat, so I have proved myself trustworthy...
BUT...this is not to say just because someone has good heat, there might not still be a problem, its just that it not as likely.


As far as your paypal comment, that one just does not hold water..paypal is not safe for anyone really...if you send money to someone and don't get your goods, sure you can file a claim, but if there is no money in that acct, you get nothing......and scammers know this, so the chances of any money being in their act are slim to none..

Anyway, I digress........OP, I think you should out this person....they have up until this point, scammed you..post the name..let them come in here and explain....if the deal goes well, no harm no foul...if not, the rest of us know not to deal with them ever again.
 
posting his name can resolve it for you, whether you want to or think it is right, so many times on here when someone gets called out they do the right thing.

Even though it's not the right thing to dick around with someone like he has in the first place.

Call him out and if results are to be had you will get them.
 
Can we stop talking about who should ship first, etc.? I'm sorry, but as much as I'd like to I can't change what I've already done.

Username: Absinthe
 
Kazappin said:
For a member of nine days you're awfully arrogant and eager to cut others down.
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LOL okay I'm not the one who got scammed, I was trying to say personally I wouldn't have shipped something first, however arrogant that came off I apologize, but for future reference be aware.
 
Why not contact Adobe, tell them it was stolen (which apparently it was), and see if they can invalidate it from thier end?
 
I sold something to Absinthe a few months back and everything went fine.. I'll vouch for absinthe and say he is a good trader.. maybe something is wrong with him, but yeah it does seem fishy he hasn't paid you yet.

And his heat isn't fake.
 
does anyone else think it sounds like he planned to get it at no cost, resell it, and then pay the OP out of what he got for it and keep whatever was left over as profit from the deal...?
 
You said you got his phone # and address correct? Why don't you call him? Perhaps send an invoice in the mail? I mean maybe he was making toast while taking a bath and had an ill fated accident thus the reason for no payment or contact. If nothing else maybe he still lives at home with his mom and you can explain the situation to her.
 
[H]adouken;1033567159 said:
LOL okay I'm not the one who got scammed, I was trying to say personally I wouldn't have shipped something first, however arrogant that came off I apologize, but for future reference be aware.
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It's fine, I;m just really jumpy now. I also apologize for being overly-defensive.

Fenris_Ulf said:
Why not contact Adobe, tell them it was stolen (which apparently it was), and see if they can invalidate it from thier end?
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I'm going to do that in a few days if he doesn't come through. I only hope that they do allow me to do that, not thinking that he now has ownership to the license. It's under my name, so...

wol-va-rine said:
does anyone else think it sounds like he planned to get it at no cost, resell it, and then pay the OP out of what he got for it and keep whatever was left over as profit from the deal...?
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Whatever works for him as long as I get the money. I probably could have sold it for more, but i didn't feel like going to eBay.

btell74 said:
You said you got his phone # and address correct? Why don't you call him? Perhaps send an invoice in the mail? I mean maybe he was making toast while taking a bath and had an ill fated accident thus the reason for no payment or contact. If nothing else maybe he still lives at home with his mom and you can explain the situation to her.
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Called him a few times and I'm assuming he's either out of town (won't get mail) or ignoring me (won't care about mail). A letter might work if he's still living with his parents, but I highly doubt that.
 
I'd only ship first to people with 300-400+ heat.
 
As Fenris pointed out, call Adobe and see if they can invalidate it. You will at the very least need the receipt, or some kind of proof of purchase.
 
id say whatever he is doing, he is still wrong. dont wait to call adobe, he got it , contacted them already, why should you wait. there is no excuse for no contact. he could say dude i really dont have the money to send. but at least be up front. maybe a cod would have worked in this example, it shows up he has to pay and bam. id have loved to get the software myself just did not have the money.

now whatever is going on, he is just making it worse by the cold shoulder routine. call him 10-15 times a day maybe he will get sick of hearing it ring. And deal with it. good luck anyway
 
I'm going to call a few more times and see what happens. Then it's off to adobe to invalidate the serial. What happens if you don't have the receipt, just a credit card statement? (I purchased it form a nonprofit auction).
 
This is to bad. I did a cross trade with Absinthe and it went really smoothly.
 
Just talked to him on the phone and everything has been worked out. Family issues got in the way of things but it's all covered now.

Thanks for everyone's input, he truly is an honest trader.

This can be closed now :)
 
I have spoken with Kaz and there is no intent of any foul play involved with this transaction. To summarize the situation:

1. Kaz has been an excellent trader to work with. He shipped immediately and upgraded the shipping to USPS Express, as I had requested. This CS3 was to be a Christmas present for my brother and I needed it immediately. Kaz shipped immediately, via Express on 12/22/08. The package was not received in the 24 hours as USPS Express had promised, but instead I had to pick it up at the post office on 12/29/08.

2. I then contact Adobe to verify the products authenticity. They tell me there is no way to validate the product aside from checking the serial number, which I gave them. I was told the product was registered to Kaz and that it is worthless unless the license is transferred to me. I was then informed of the protocol for transfer. I do not think the customer service agent's native language was English, as she was very hard to understand and communicate with, which leads to this next point.

Kazappin said:
Then on the 5th I get an email from Adobe saying a ticked had been resolved and closed regarding my serial number on the CS3 package. I went to see the ticket and it stated that he was trying to free the serial from my account so that he could "sell" it. It was decided in his favor, without me ever having anything to say about it.
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This part completely baffles me. I did indeed call Adobe Customer Service to confirm the authenticity of the product and all the CSR told me was that it was registered in Kas's name and it is worthless unless the license is transferred to me. I was explained the protocol for transfer and was told we would both need to contact Adobe to complete the transfer. I did not request to free the serial from his account so that I could "sell" it; my only question was "is this product authentic?” My intent of purchasing the product was to be a Christmas gift for my brother, which unfortunately it came 4 days after Christmas (completely the fault of USPS, not Kaz as he shipped immediately as requested). At this point, I am assuming Kaz is not aware of this issue and plan to contact him to resolve this before submitting payment for an item that maybe worthless due to registration issues.

3. I leave town due to an unexpected family emergency and while away, I come down with Pneumonia as well as take a fall on a sheet of ice, reinjuring a herniated disc (L4-L5). I know this sounds good, but it gets better. I remain out of town staying with family during part of my recovery. I completely forget of the transaction that is going on with Kaz and assume complete and total responsibility for lack of contact during this time.

4. I return home last night and my internet connection is down due to my power adapter of my modem has died while I was away. Today, I get my system back up and running and while weeding through literally hundreds of emails, I notice the last one from Kaz. I promptly emailed him, sent a PM, here on Hard and then realized I also had his phone number in one of our many email correspondence. I then promptly call him and explain the situation and apologize for my oversights. Kaz is very understanding of the situation and we agree that I will submit 1/2 the payment now (trusting in good faith that he will transfer the license). The PayPal payment was completed immediately after I got off the phone with him. The other 1/2 will be paid immediately upon the transfer of the license.

I take full responsibility for the lack of contact over the last two weeks, RL things came up that I had to attend to, I got sick during the process and now here I am resolving this issue as quickly as possible. At this point, I have paid Kaz 1/2 the payment, trusting that the license will indeed be transferred without a problem and at the point I will immediately submit the other 1/2 and would be willing to add an additional amount for his inconvenience with the issue. I'll leave that out for the peanut gallery to discuss what might be fair for his inconveniences.

Please bear in mind, at this point the copy of CS3 I have is NOT registered in my name and I have absolutely zero control over this but I completely trust Kaz to make good on the transfer. He has been an absolute excellent seller, shipping quickly, packed well, and defiantly not at fault for USPS's delay in delivery. I trust it to be an oversight about the registration issue as he has told me he is going through a similar issue with another software package.

Once again, I would like to publically apologize to Kaz for RL getting in the way of this transaction. I am a completely honest trader and I greatly appreciate you guys that have stood up for me. Thank you very much. To those who question my ethics, please review my heat (Absinthe), as this situation was a completely isolated incident, for which I am deeply sorry to Kaz for the frustration created due to the lack of contact. I believe we have this situation under control and thanks to everyone who brought a positive light to the issue.

Best regards,
Nathan
-Absinthe
 
:D

Makes me happy to see things like this resolved on a good note.
 
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