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AmongTheChosenX

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well, basically in a nutshell, I SUCK at shooters. in EVERY multiplater game I've been playing (COD4 and TF2 Mainly), I just suck. I just don't understand. I'm constantly dying. I've tried multiple load outs, settings, etc. my ping is low (except for COD which its at like 100, dont know why so high im on a cable connection).

I do play fast paced, and I have a habit of hurrying myself into the fight, bnecause if I take my time i find that I end up getting hardly any kills nor deaths (more deaths still though) because i take my time.

however I've tried slowing myself down a bit, and it does help sometimes. however, I'm still constantly sucking, and I just can't seem to get good.

I just need some help from pros. I'm literally averaging a 1 kill per 2 deaths ratio, and quite frankly every multiplayer game is just frustrating for me to play at this point I just can't seem to get good :(

Please help me.
 
Practice, practice, practice. And just remember that you're playing a game to have fun. Once you start playing for fun, you'll start getting better.

You're always going to be better than someone as well. I can name a few RL friends I'm SURE you're better than... ;)
 
Yanno, my first impression was to tell the old Carnegie Hall joke... "How do I get to Carnegie Hall?" a newcomer to New York City asked a resident.

"Practice, practice, practice..." :)
 
AmongTheChosenX said:
well, basically in a nutshell, I SUCK at shooters. in EVERY multiplater game I've been playing (COD4 and TF2 Mainly), I just suck. I just don't understand. I'm constantly dying. I've tried multiple load outs, settings, etc. my ping is low (except for COD which its at like 100, dont know why so high im on a cable connection).

I do play fast paced, and I have a habit of hurrying myself into the fight, bnecause if I take my time i find that I end up getting hardly any kills nor deaths (more deaths still though) because i take my time.

however I've tried slowing myself down a bit, and it does help sometimes. however, I'm still constantly sucking, and I just can't seem to get good.

I just need some help from pros. I'm literally averaging a 1 kill per 2 deaths ratio, and quite frankly every multiplayer game is just frustrating for me to play at this point I just can't seem to get good :(

Please help me.
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lol are u mainly finding yourself with aiming problems or do you just get shot from behind all the time.
 
download the demo for battlefield 1942: secret weapons of wwII multiplayer. play for a couple weeks online and i guarantee when you go back to your newer games ull be improved.
 
Learning the maps and player tendencies is the most important part of any shooter.
 
SouLXIV said:
lol are u mainly finding yourself with aiming problems or do you just get shot from behind all the time.
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its every freakin game i play. i'm just always getting killed. only certain maps of certain games usin certain guns i'm not good at aiming.


like, i'm not horrible.

but seriosuly, a 1:2 kill/death ratio?! tahts absolutely awful.


and I'm doing my best to have fun. its just so hard when i'm always getting the crap beat out of me...
 
load up cod or hl..play the single player

"run" through the maps just aiming for the head..that will break you in for the fps world. everytime i take a break from fps games. loading up a single player HL just running rampid with a pistol helps my reaction time.

or do the the cool kids do...HaX. lol <---- im kidding !!!!
 
AmongTheChosenX said:
its every freakin game i play. i'm just always getting killed. only certain maps of certain games usin certain guns i'm not good at aiming.


like, i'm not horrible.

but seriosuly, a 1:2 kill/death ratio?! tahts absolutely awful.


and I'm doing my best to have fun. its just so hard when i'm always getting the crap beat out of me...
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i really don't know what to say but if you're talking about CoD4 you just have to play smart. Also, just in general with ALL shooters on the PC, turn your sensitivity down and practice, the lower it is the more precise you're able to aim, unless it's at 0.
What guns/perks are u using for CoD4 btw?
 
shagvirus said:
load up cod or hl..play the single player

"run" through the maps just aiming for the head..that will break you in for the fps world. everytime i take a break from fps games. loading up a single player HL just running rampid with a pistol helps my reaction time.

or do the the cool kids do...HaX. lol <---- im kidding !!!!
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maybe this is what i have to do.

i've just realized its that i have a somewhat lame reaction time, and I cannot aim to save my life. i just noticed ater being able to kill 4 guys in a row, i didn't because i got maybe 3 shots on him isntead of the 9 i shot from my gun.

I'm going to try this asap.
 
learn the maps. one of the biggest things for me is trying to think like the other people and where I would be moving to if I was in their position.

once you get that part down, its just practice to get better aim.
 
use to play progect igi, with unlimited ammo with the glock..hardest setting and just pistole whip people..trying to end the level with speed.
 
lamil said:
learn the maps. one of the biggest things for me is trying to think like the other people and where I would be moving to if I was in their position.

once you get that part down, its just practice to get better aim.
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this
 
For me, playing Quake3 against bots for a while each night helped me get my old aim back. I played UT2k3 and 2k4 religiously for years and after a 2.5 year stint with WoW, my aim had deteriorated to the point that giving the keys to an amusement park to a bunch of monkeys would have been more productive. And Quake3 is a lot of fun by itself...I never understood why so many people said it was better than UT2k3 and 2k4 until I played it for myself for a few hours...damnit now I feel the urge to reinstall it.
 
AmongTheChosenX said:
its every freakin game i play. i'm just always getting killed. only certain maps of certain games usin certain guns i'm not good at aiming.


like, i'm not horrible.

but seriosuly, a 1:2 kill/death ratio?! tahts absolutely awful.


and I'm doing my best to have fun. its just so hard when i'm always getting the crap beat out of me...
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Ok, what monitor do you use.

Two what mouse and mousepad do you use.

ALso try out this

Sheep Reaction Test

and this

Reaction test

and report back you avg or best for each.

Also how many different FPS games do you play in a month, for example. Do the mouse sensitivity settings vary from game to game or did you make an effort to adjust them all so they all equall from game to game.
 
DeadSkull said:
Ok, what monitor do you use.

Two what mouse and mousepad do you use.

ALso try out this

Sheep Reaction Test

and this

Reaction test

and report back you avg or best for each.

Also how many different FPS games do you play in a month, for example. Do the mouse sensitivity settings vary from game to game or did you make an effort to adjust them all so they all equall from game to game.
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.200 average on both for me. I usually hover around 1.3/1 KDR in most FPS games. The best I've ever managed consistantly was 3+/1 in COD 2. Back then I was playing between 6 and 8 hours a day.
 
cgrant26 said:
.200 average on both for me. I usually hover around 1.3/1 KDR in most FPS games. The best I've ever managed consistantly was 3+/1 in COD 2. Back then I was playing between 6 and 8 hours a day.
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Interesting, I guess you don't really game much anymore. For some reason on color changing reaction tests my time is usually 0.2ms average but on the sheep reaction test I get 0.16 avg no problem. Dont game that much anymore either but I spent an entire summer and a good portion of fall 2008 perfecting my cs skills constantly deathmatching and practising so I wonder if that has something to do with my time on the sheep test. Must be all that peripheral vision snap shot stuff.
 
Install CS or any fps online and play on TP servers. There are some videos on YT showing you how to kill. Aim for the head and don´t play on higher resolution than 1024x768:)
 
dx00 said:
Install CS or any fps online and play on TP servers. There are some videos on YT showing you how to kill. Aim for the head and don´t play on higher resolution than 1024x768:)
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I dont know if the 1024x768 advice applies anymore b/c originally that was a way to run games with maximum min avg fps. Unless you have a really $@!% pc you dont need to run low res anymore.

In OPS case I dont think that applies at all and that his problem lays elsewhere
 
It could be as simple as having a good ear.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CwgkFLvNElY

I was going back and forth because i keep hearing footsteps and gunshots behind me. Every kill in that video (and pretty much every FPS game i play), i hear coming. When you hear footsteps, you can work out if he's above, below, or around a corner. It definitely helps knowing where the enemy is even if you have a horrible reaction time. I even dodged a grenade when i heard it bounce in that video. You can actually see me look at the wall while i work out where he is.

I used to play with my friends a lot. My reaction time is so-so, my aim average (maybe less). Yet i keep getting on top solely because of my headsets. Apparently, players that can locate enemies by sound are rare. Take away the headset and i'm just a regular player. Try it. It helped with me, maybe it'll work for you too.

@DeadSkull
+1 I haven't used the lower resolution trick since CS. These days i max the resolution and minimize the special effects. Lowering the texture quality usually makes players stand out more. At high res, you can easily see the few pixels that is a partially hidden sniper against a blurry background. Cheap? Maybe.


Btw, if you pay attention, you can actually tell which ones ingame has a headset ;)
 
PS: I use the same crappy mouse and keyboard as everyone else when i'm in a gaming cafe. But i ALWAYS bring my own headset.
 
DeadSkull said:
Ok, what monitor do you use.

Two what mouse and mousepad do you use.

ALso try out this

Sheep Reaction Test

and this

Reaction test

and report back you avg or best for each.

Also how many different FPS games do you play in a month, for example. Do the mouse sensitivity settings vary from game to game or did you make an effort to adjust them all so they all equall from game to game.
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keyboard and mouse are an MX3100 Laser Combo. the mouse is great. I have noticed lag lately, but i can't sit here and blame the mouse, thats definitely NOT the problem (its me, lol).

I have a Sceptre 24 inch LCD, with 2ms response time.
the sheep reaction time i got about .25 seconds, and the dot reaction i got .27 seconds. i don't think thats half bad, but i don't tend to go that fast during games.
 
A couple easy tips you can do right away:

#1 Keep the enemy on one side of you at all times. Keep to the outside of the maps. Move from cover to cover, checking your surroundings at each cover point. Cutting across an area not only exposes you to damage from more enemies, but it also increases the amount of area you have to focus on to acquire enemies.

#2 Try to keep it to one enemy at a time, for obvious reasons. Advance into known enemy areas slowly, or only expose yourself from cover enough to find one target. Rince, repeat. As you become more proficient at killing enemies 1 v 1, you'll naturally progress to handling multiple targets at once. When you find yourself confronted with multiple enemies, take the biggest threat first, ie the guy who knows you're there. Stun, hit the floor, put something between you and the threat, retreat, whatever you need to do to make it as close to 1 v 1 as possible.

#3 Watch the kill cam if available. Figure out what you should have done differently, and better yet, know where the next guy you're going to kill is.

#4 Try joining a clan. You'll learn alot from other players' habits.

Other than that, just consciously aim. Pick a body part. Start with the chest (easiest), then try the neck as you get better. Aiming for the neck leads to a suprising amount of head shots, after recoil is all said and done, and it still leaves room for the chest shots if you're aim is off. You'll get faster, and eventually it will be a good habit you don't have to think about.

I'm not sure how to practice vision, but it's a necessity. Finding targets based on slight movements in your peripheral, and watching your radar and screeen at the same time.

Learn the maps. Learn the least exposed routes around and through them. They're the bread and butter trails that most take. Then, learn where a good vantage point on these trails is to have an advantage on the enemies taking them. This is where everyone else is, or is trying to get to. Knowing these areas will focus your vision and cut down on target acquisition times.


Most imporantly, have fun. It's just a game.
 
When you shoot, do you do bursts or spray? Of course its best to aim for the head, but sometimes its not always that easy, so in that case i usually aim for the waist/legs and spray, the recoil tends to lift the bullets up into there torso. I usually do pretty well in COD4 and CSS, though i dont play much anymore. And of course you just have some bad runs sometimes.

Get used to using side strafing alot as well if you dont already.
 
Sly said:
PS: I use the same crappy mouse and keyboard as everyone else when i'm in a gaming cafe. But i ALWAYS bring my own headset.
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+1 for headset. I always use my Everglide S-500 for gaming and during cs scrims I would hear absolutely everything on the map. In cpl_mill I was camping a site as ct and I heard the door open at b site and I went "bsite, hes at b" all over vent. My clan mates were like wtf, how did you hear him.

AmongTheChosenX said:
keyboard and mouse are an MX3100 Laser Combo. the mouse is great. I have noticed lag lately, but i can't sit here and blame the mouse, thats definitely NOT the problem (its me, lol).

I have a Sceptre 24 inch LCD, with 2ms response time.
the sheep reaction time i got about .25 seconds, and the dot reaction i got .27 seconds. i don't think thats half bad, but i don't tend to go that fast during games.
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I don't know how that 2ms response time holds up in real world gaming. Usually higher up LCD screens have high real world gaming no matter what. Your sheep reaction and colour dot test times are somewhat high, higher then the average reaction time actually. Don't pay to much attention to those scores though; doing those tests for the first time can produce innacurate results because of anxious mental state. If you are really interested I would do the tests once every a couple of days to see what your real time is.

What are the main mp games that you play? I take it that you mostly play cod4 and TF2 right? What are your mouse sensitivity settings for both?

Also I hope to god that your have windows mouse acceleration disabled, whether you are in xp or vista. Because if you dont that may be the chief cause of your problems. g2 mouse properties> pointer options > and deselect mouse enhancement. Also google cpl mouse fix and download that.


MX3100 laser combo??? Never heard of that during my time gaming cs so I'm going to jump to a conclusion and say its a cheap pos for gaming. Do yourself a favor and pickup an mx518 for starters.
 
Practice makes permanent.

Just keep playing and take note of what others are doing (who are decent) and adapt accordingly.
 
DeadSkull said:
+1 for headset. I always use my Everglide S-500 for gaming and during cs scrims I would hear absolutely everything on the map. In cpl_mill I was camping a site as ct and I heard the door open at b site and I went "bsite, hes at b" all over vent. My clan mates were like wtf, how did you hear him.



I don't know how that 2ms response time holds up in real world gaming. Usually higher up LCD screens have high real world gaming no matter what. Your sheep reaction and colour dot test times are somewhat high, higher then the average reaction time actually. Don't pay to much attention to those scores though; doing those tests for the first time can produce innacurate results because of anxious mental state. If you are really interested I would do the tests once every a couple of days to see what your real time is.

What are the main mp games that you play? I take it that you mostly play cod4 and TF2 right? What are your mouse sensitivity settings for both?

Also I hope to god that your have windows mouse acceleration disabled, whether you are in xp or vista. Because if you dont that may be the chief cause of your problems. g2 mouse properties> pointer options > and deselect mouse enhancement. Also google cpl mouse fix and download that.


MX3100 laser combo??? Never heard of that during my time gaming cs so I'm going to jump to a conclusion and say its a cheap pos for gaming. Do yourself a favor and pickup an mx518 for starters.
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its a logitech keyboard and mouse set, i paid about $80 for it about 3 years ago. its done
well for me.
its actually an MX1000 Mouse: http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/428/783&hub=1&selectedcrid=398&selectedcid=783&cl=us,en

i'l ltry the tests a few times a day every day.

as for shooting, i try to keep it to semi long bursts, but I try my best not to spray. I've been using the M4 assault rifle and the skorpian as of late (as per another [H]'ers recommendation)
 
DeadSkull said:
What are the main mp games that you play? I take it that you mostly play cod4 and TF2 right? What are your mouse sensitivity settings for both?

Also I hope to god that your have windows mouse acceleration disabled, whether you are in xp or vista. Because if you dont that may be the chief cause of your problems. g2 mouse properties> pointer options > and deselect mouse enhancement. Also google cpl mouse fix and download that.
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i tried to bring the sensitivities as low as possible. COD4 is a bit higher than TF2, and I found TF2 easier to aim with, so i'll have to bring the COD4 sensitivity down. the problem comes as recoil, its harder to keep my gun aimed at a person with lower sensitivity. then again, i guess thats where short bursts come in....

mouse acceleration is bad?! aw wtf?! i probably have it on.......... shoot me.
 
AmongTheChosenX said:
i tried to bring the sensitivities as low as possible. COD4 is a bit higher than TF2, and I found TF2 easier to aim with, so i'll have to bring the COD4 sensitivity down. the problem comes as recoil, its harder to keep my gun aimed at a person with lower sensitivity. then again, i guess thats where short bursts come in....

mouse acceleration is bad?! aw wtf?! i probably have it on.......... shoot me.
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Oh wow...yea mouse acceleration will kill you in fps gaming. Basically windows decides where to move the mouse cursor for you based on how fast you move the mouseand not how far you moved the mouse. I guess Bill Gates was playing Quake one day and he was getting pwned so he was like $!@% :mad::mad::mad: and added mouse acceleration feature to windows xp as a revenge on fps gamers :D
So you can move the mouse the same distance but with different speeds and the cursors will end up in different places each time. What instead should happen is regardles of the speed you move the mouse assuming you moved it same distance each time the cursor will move the same distance on screen. You can see why this will be a huge problem in gaming because you / your brain will never be able to pick up on the pattern of how much force to apply on the mouse to move it in order to move the cursor so and so many pixels on screen. IE your are going to suck and not going to be able to snap shot worth shit.
 
DeadSkull said:
Oh wow...yea mouse acceleration will kill you in fps gaming. Basically windows decides where to move the mouse cursor for you based on how fast you move the mouseand not how far you moved the mouse. I guess Bill Gates was playing Quake one day and he was getting pwned so he was like $!@% :mad::mad::mad: and added mouse acceleration feature to windows xp as a revenge on fps gamers :D
So you can move the mouse the same distance but with different speeds and the cursors will end up in different places each time. What instead should happen is regardles of the speed you move the mouse assuming you moved it same distance each time the cursor will move the same distance on screen. You can see why this will be a huge problem in gaming because you / your brain will never be able to pick up on the pattern of how much force to apply on the mouse to move it in order to move the cursor so and so many pixels on screen. IE your are going to suck and not going to be able to snap shot worth shit.
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Damn, I just noticed I had this turned on.. I'm going to blame it for my 1 : 3 k/d ratio in world at war.
 
Most maps in COD people tend to do similar things. You can predict where a camper may be, etc. Past that, just play. I think those of us who played for ages just have a feel for it. Even if I do not see somebody, I can spray em down relativly quick, even if I have to pull 180. Personally, I do not usually camp, I run around, even with a sniper :p.
 
DeadSkull said:
Oh wow...yea mouse acceleration will kill you in fps gaming. Basically windows decides where to move the mouse cursor for you based on how fast you move the mouseand not how far you moved the mouse. I guess Bill Gates was playing Quake one day and he was getting pwned so he was like $!@% :mad::mad::mad: and added mouse acceleration feature to windows xp as a revenge on fps gamers :D
So you can move the mouse the same distance but with different speeds and the cursors will end up in different places each time. What instead should happen is regardles of the speed you move the mouse assuming you moved it same distance each time the cursor will move the same distance on screen. You can see why this will be a huge problem in gaming because you / your brain will never be able to pick up on the pattern of how much force to apply on the mouse to move it in order to move the cursor so and so many pixels on screen. IE your are going to suck and not going to be able to snap shot worth shit.
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SO THATS WHY I could never snipe! oh kill me!

Loser_guy said:
Damn, I just noticed I had this turned on.. I'm going to blame it for my 1 : 3 k/d ratio in world at war.
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glad i'm not the only one *phew*
 
Most of this has already been mentioned or you might already do it, but here is my $0.02:

1. Make sure your min FPS ALWAYS stay above your monitor's refresh rate. If not, you will lag.
2. Make sure you don't have background processes eating your bandwith. What I've done in the past is write down all of them (or do a couple of screenies) and research all of them. Make sure you have applications set to not auto-update. For example: Windows Media Player is a huge resource hog. It is set to update frequently and when it does you lag. I have set it up to auto update monthly (couldn't turn off), but before I start any matches I go to processes and shutdown wdfmgr.exe and turn it off. This kills the Media Player. That was just one example. If you don't need it kill it, but be careful. I would create a restore point before starting. I now know by heart most processes so when I peak at it I know if it's ok or not.
3. Check your internet. Make sure that you have good upload. Upload is more important than download. If not, packets will be lost.
4. Get a good soundcard like others suggested and good headphones. Turn down music and other crap and turn up FX.
5. Change FOV if possible to see more with your peripheral vision. For COD is a must. Widescreen LCD helps.
6. For COD I would always use stopping power until you get better.
7. Learn the maps. Run through them in your mind. If you don't know where to go go back and look.
8. and of course practice, practice.

Hope this helps man.....
 
i'll set up some QoS settigns tonight on the D Link DIR-655 to route the gaming data to my PC at high priority, that should help drop my ping a bit. upload is about 5-7 mbps, and download is about 10mbps, so those should be good, i'll double check the router settings.

I'll go thru my processes and services but I don't think thats going to help any bit.

i found a few links to change a few settings. FOV was one of them. maybe I'll do that.


Heres some help pages i found a little while ago:

(This one has methods to change the FOV, blur settings, etc)
http://www.edgegamers.org/forums/showthread.php?t=60209

http://www.cod4forums.com/index.php?showtopic=557

http://www.nextgg.com/index-xbox 360 COD4.html

http://www.gameolosophy.com/Games/Action/Call-of-Duty/How-to-Improve-at-Call-of-Duty-Four.432737

http://www.wikihow.com/Improve-Your-Call-of-Duty-4-Multiplayer-Game
 
tips for me besides practice, practice, practice.

Headshots... work in single player mode on headshots. 9 of your shots and 2 of his shots....yet you die.... yeah he prolly got your head.

Learn the maps and find places to have an advantage... ie you see a few buildings were you have a vantage point and can run between them as you fire... use that to your advantage.

check the leaderboard, who is the leader on your team.... now find him and shadow him in game. For 1, you can use him as a shield, and 2 you can learn from his habits and tendencies to get better yourself.

think about COD4 in single player mode.... it's a real pain to just run and gun alone, but with your squad at your side working as a team... the game is actually a little easier. same thing in online multi-play. don't go at it alone... especially if ou suxxors.... :p stay with a small group and work together.
 
Practice makes perfect. I can go 10:1 in COD4 because it's just easy to know where people are going to be usually.

Trying playing in some hardcore servers. It'll teach you to choose your shots wisely instead of spray and pray.
 
Do you panic when you see someone?

I try to stay to the perimeter of maps, and calmly pick guys off. Rushing down the middle is a good way to get caught off guard.
 
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