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Plasma Dead

By the title you would think all plasma screens were going.

I would rather wait and fork out the cash for a nice plasma over a cheap LCD.
 
I own a Sony 46XBR4 but would trade it for a 50" Kuro 1080P Plasma in a heartbeat. They are the best flat panel made period. However, they are also mad expensive do to being made in Japan. (who would have thought made in Japan made something expensive) I might try to snag one of the Kuro sets and dump my Sony. Anyone interested in a XBR4 let me know.
 
Perhaps the title needs some editing? like 'Pioneers line of Plasma TVs are dead'?

One of my friends was really looking to buy a Pioneer Elite series 42', but its hard to justify when you can get a Panasonic 42' 1080p plasma for $1500 - 500 less (depending on size of course), - the only feature the Panasonic PZ77 doesn't have is the media browsing.

I REALLY want SED/OLED TVs to come out, both LCD technologies boast refresh rates of CRTs... Thats my only problem with todays 'HD'TV..
 
Boy that Pio deal brings a tear to my eye. Been a big fan of the plasma. I guess I'll go back to the Pano's or maybe Samsung, thought there pic is a little to digital for me.
 
I appears the authors like to look at the displays turned off. I could care less about how thin a display is. Give me PQ as good as a CRT at 50-60 inch size.
 
Well this does put a damper on Plasma. I think it will still be around in 1-2 Years but that is a long stretch. We'll see.(Not a fan of Plasma anyway, always been a big LCD supporter)
 
Sounds kind of odd to me. I would figure it would be some other company doing this you know, not somebody who makes the best plasma tvs period.
 
I can only think of one reason they are suddenly shutting down plasma production (when in fact they just released the kuro lines), it just means they have something tad better to offer and are just silent about it. (maybe oled?, led backlit lcds, or something), I dont think they would suddenly stop production without any reason :)
 
Pioneer is killing their Plasma's? Holy crap that is sad, I really liked their sets :(

Why couldn't they have killed off a more useless format they are supporting?
 
dyzophoria said:
I can only think of one reason they are suddenly shutting down plasma production (when in fact they just released the kuro lines), it just means they have something tad better to offer and are just silent about it. (maybe oled?, led backlit lcds, or something), I dont think they would suddenly stop production without any reason :)
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That might be but correct me if I'm wrong, doesn't pio make there own glass ? I belive there is only two left that do that, them and the pano's.
 
That's a rediculous headline on the article. They will purchase glass from Panasonic and there will be some technology sharing agreements that will enhance Panasonics glass.

Many companies outsource LCD panel production and I don't see anyone claiming LCD has been killed off.

Also, Pioneer will be manufacturing the glass for their upcoming 9G panels.

Yes it's sad to see the HDTV industry slowly get reduced to the lowest price (and performance imo) technology.
 
wow thats kinda lame. My family just bought a 60" Plasma ELITE Kuro and its the best damn TV i have EVER seen. A shame pioneer wont be making better ones anymore, will they switch to LCDs?
 
Plasma business is consolidating. Pio just couldn't compete, they're too small.

But I hear they might switch to LCD anyway.
 
Why was the headline "plasma is dead"? Last I checked there were several companies coming out with new plasma sets. And this is only stating that Pioneer is outsourcing the glass only to Panasonic. Pioneer is still making plasma TVs... Their 9G sets are going to be sweet.
 
GOOD! Plasma and LCD need to die, they're nothing more than a scam invented by Best Buy because of the monstrous profit margins on "thin" televisions. OLED, DLP, and the new laser-based technologies need to hurry up and take over!
 
this article annoys me, since whoemver wrote is a douche.

First off this isnt really breaking news. Secondly it doesnt herald the end of Plasma, the only thing that will do that is OLED (which will also mean the end for LCD anyway).

It took until the second half of the article to clarify that Pioneer is still going to make Kuro Plasma displaus (despite alot of biased article sabre rattling acting like the contrary).

Again whomever wrote this sounds kind of like a fanboy since he spends half the article stating mild heresay.
 
spincut said:
this article annoys me, since whoemver wrote is a douche.

First off this isnt really breaking news. Secondly it doesnt herald the end of Plasma, the only thing that will do that is OLED (which will also mean the end for LCD anyway).

It took until the second half of the article to clarify that Pioneer is still going to make Kuro Plasma displaus (despite alot of biased article sabre rattling acting like the contrary).

Again whomever wrote this sounds kind of like a fanboy since he spends half the article stating mild heresay.
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Agreed
 
dyzophoria said:
I can only think of one reason they are suddenly shutting down plasma production (when in fact they just released the kuro lines), it just means they have something tad better to offer and are just silent about it. (maybe oled?, led backlit lcds, or something), I dont think they would suddenly stop production without any reason :)
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I think you are right, Laser TV is just around the corner.
It was supposed to make its debut around now but has been put off until the end of this year.
From what I have read its extraordinarily good, I'm getting one as soon as I can afford.
 
dyzophoria said:
I can only think of one reason they are suddenly shutting down plasma production (when in fact they just released the kuro lines), it just means they have something tad better to offer and are just silent about it. (maybe oled?, led backlit lcds, or something), I dont think they would suddenly stop production without any reason :)
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The artical claims that they are losing money on the fabs, so they will close them down and buy the glass from somebody else. They will most likely cross license their tech with Panasonic and end up with the same thing in the long run.

It is a bad thing if it reduces compition for flat pannel TVs.

I have been thinking about buying 52 in. LCD, but I have almost given up, because quality control is just as bad as computer LCDs.

As was said already; I wish for a new tech to put all of this junk out of busniess yesterday.

Dave
 
I used to be pro LCD and hated plasma, but I think my position has switched. After seeing the sickly green/black of the darks of an LCD while trying to watch TV, I'm for plasma because of the higher contrast ratios. However, the newer LCDs that can go much brighter to increase the 'dynamic' contrast ratio are better than they used to be.
 
havand said:
I used to be pro LCD and hated plasma, but I think my position has switched. After seeing the sickly green/black of the darks of an LCD while trying to watch TV, I'm for plasma because of the higher contrast ratios. However, the newer LCDs that can go much brighter to increase the 'dynamic' contrast ratio are better than they used to be.
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but see. thats part of the problem, why in gods name would you want to go BRIGHTER? As they are they arent watchable in torch mode once you bring them home (noticeably on my top of the line Sony XBR2 when set to auto, when you turn the lights off, the tv sets itself almost dimme than a plasma to make it watchable).

LCD's need alot of things, but more brightness to improve contrast aint it, because it wotn help if the watchable level is already well acheived and then some.
 
More brightness headroom might be a good thing for rendering HDR without saturation using 10 or 12 bits per colour.
The extended colour range can be implemented as brighter shades.
This means that current games / films etc will have the same brightness but for added realism in new games / films, things like the Sun or its reflections can be made much brighter by using the extended colour range.
 
brentsg said:
That's a rediculous headline on the article. They will purchase glass from Panasonic and there will be some technology sharing agreements that will enhance Panasonics glass.

Many companies outsource LCD panel production and I don't see anyone claiming LCD has been killed off.

Also, Pioneer will be manufacturing the glass for their upcoming 9G panels.

Yes it's sad to see the HDTV industry slowly get reduced to the lowest price (and performance imo) technology.
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I'm glad you posted this and saved me the trouble. Also, those of you cheering for plasmas demise have obviously never owned one and need to read this http://www.hometheatermag.com/lcds/208hdface/index.html
 
Samsung is going to be ditching plasma as well, and going with LCD, unfortunately its going to be probably close to a year or two due to LCD shortages.

There are a couple other manufacturers dumping plasma as well.
 
RogueTrip said:
Samsung is going to be ditching plasma as well, and going with LCD, unfortunately its going to be probably close to a year or two due to LCD shortages.

There are a couple other manufacturers dumping plasma as well.
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Link? Haven't heard anything about Samsung and as far as I know Fujitsu is the only company that recently dropped plasma. The link in the OP is simply an opinion that plasma is going away (kind of a haha we told you first type of thing) but even they state that Pioneer isn't leaving the plasma business...simply buying their panels from Panasonic. Here is a more down to earth article about the same thing http://www.cnbc.com/id/23454069/for/cnbc
 
brentsg said:
Yes it's sad to see the HDTV industry slowly get reduced to the lowest price (and performance imo) technology.
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-I'm partly kidding- And its not going to stop there, as within LCD there is a large drift to crappier types at reduced(but not as much as it should) pricepoints. Imagine, a 42" TN lcd :D
 
Pioneer's Kuro plasma is currently the best display on the market.
I am very disappointed with Pioneer's demise!
 
I love my plasma TV. The colors are rich and the viewing angles are great. That's not to say that LCD's are crap, because they aren't, but Plasma just seems to have that extra "something" that makes the picture a little better.
 
Surprised if this is the case... the kuros are currently the best mass market displays any movie lovers can buy. As a gamer I tend to prefer LCD screens, but if I was watching mostly HD films there would be no better choice than one of the high end Pioneer plasmas.
 
After owning a plasma and an LCD I can't say this surprises me. I see little visual difference running blu-ray on either and the Plasma was twice the cost.
 
Wow. That's unexpected. Pioneer made the best plasma TVs in the industry.
 
I know some of you are just shocked that Pioneer is not going to make plasma panels anymore....but some of your posts seem like you are taking the thread title literally.:p Plasma is not going away...Panasonic, Samsung, LG, Philips, Vizio....your usual assortment of lower tier makers (Maxent, etc..) and yes....PIONEER are still making plasma displays for the foreseeable future. In spite of the tone of the article originally linked...it is simply outsourcing of the actual plasma panel that is happening. This has been going on forever in the lcd world....does it shock you guys that of the hundreds of different brand names on the outside of desktop lcd's....there are only a handful of places where the actual lcd panels are manufactured?;)
 
all that is happening is that the plasma panel modules are being out sourced, they will still be manufactured to pioneers spec. Nothing else is happening, thats it... LCD will dissapear first not Plasma which has far more commercial presence than any other display technology.
 
I think Pioneer might've priced themselves a bit out of the market with their plasmas. When I went looking for TV, the Panasonic plasma looked *almost* as nice as the pioneer at about half the cost. I think plasma is far from dead. I actually prefer it over LCD. Until OLED/Laser or the next big thing in technology, I don't think Plasma or LCD should be killed off.
 
joemama said:
I know some of you are just shocked that Pioneer is not going to make plasma panels anymore....but some of your posts seem like you are taking the thread title literally.:p Plasma is not going away...Panasonic, Samsung, LG, Philips, Vizio....your usual assortment of lower tier makers (Maxent, etc..) and yes....PIONEER are still making plasma displays for the foreseeable future. In spite of the tone of the article originally linked...it is simply outsourcing of the actual plasma panel that is happening. This has been going on forever in the lcd world....does it shock you guys that of the hundreds of different brand names on the outside of desktop lcd's....there are only a handful of places where the actual lcd panels are manufactured?;)
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kleox64 said:
all that is happening is that the plasma panel modules are being out sourced, they will still be manufactured to pioneers spec. Nothing else is happening, thats it... LCD will dissapear first not Plasma which has far more commercial presence than any other display technology.
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Yeah just about everyone understands that. You see the problem is few if any of those outsourced production facilities are likely to make as good of panels as Pioneer did. Therefore Pioneer Plasma's are dead. Rebranded plasma's have gained another brand name.
 
Paul_Johnson said:
Yeah just about everyone understands that. You see the problem is few if any of those outsourced production facilities are likely to make as good of panels as Pioneer did. Therefore Pioneer Plasma's are dead. Rebranded plasma's have gained another brand name.
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They will have to be as good, pioneer will still be building the TV's and the QC wont be changing.
 
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