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Piracy and Console rant.

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DeadByDawn

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Warning:part piracy, part console rant.

Piracy is part of the reason PC only titles is becoming less and less.

More often are games ported from consoles to PCs.
Any game made for consoles and PCs is watered down in some way.
Sometimes developers take the time to make it better for the PC platform (COD4 for example) but ofter the design of the game is limited to work with a gamepad. This hinders the possiblities and complexity they can put into game design.

I wonder if piracy didnt exist, how much better PC game industry would be better today.
I also understand that PC gaming is much more expensive, but i wonder how much of the pie that really is? Back in the PC Only gaming hayday (UT, TFC, HL1, Quake3, Quake2, etc.) stuff was still expensive.

I'm a PC fan, and dont care for consoles. Ive tried to own and xbox, 360, and now have a PS3. I would up buyting and selling xboxs twice. I would buy it thinking ill get into it, but get bored after playing some of the games. The games seem so shallow compared to PC games. It's funny to me to see folks getting all excited when they talk about playing a game like Halo3. "Oohhh, you can play against people online" or "Ooohh, you jump in a vehicle".
All i have to say is try a game like BattleField2 on the PC folks. Been there done that years ago.

My last rant is how un-natural the gamepad feels when playing an FPS. I'm sure its becomes natural with practice and experience. To me nothing beats a mouse and keyboad.

I will say consoles are good for sports games and arcade driving games.

Alright, let the flaming begin!
 
I thought it was intel that was the reason for the sorry state of PC gaming. Integrated graphics for the loss... People pick up one game and they find out it plays like crap so they don't buy anymore.
 
PC gaming and console gaming is like night and day. PC gaming has always owned FPS, RTS, and Simulation. Console gaming has always owned sports, racing and RPG. To me PC gaming is a more personal experience while console gaming is more family. I have had great times playing the Wii with my family and great times playing by myself on my PC. PC gamers should support the PC gaming industry by buying the software and not stealing it. If you can aford top of the line hardware there is no flippen reason why you can't aford $50 bucks for a video game as well.....
 
DeadByDawn said:
I wonder if piracy didnt exist, how much better PC game industry would be better today.
I also understand that PC gaming is much more expensive, but i wonder how much of the pie that really is? Back in the PC Only gaming hayday (UT, TFC, HL1, Quake3, Quake2, etc.) stuff was still expensive.
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There is never a PC Only gaming hayday. There have always(well, if you nit pick not always) been consoles that compete with pc gaming. Hell, the PSONE was a monumental success during your quoted hayday.
 
maleficarus said:
PC gaming and console gaming is like night and day. PC gaming has always owned FPS, RTS, and Simulation. Console gaming has always owned sports, racing and RPG. To me PC gaming is a more personal experience while console gaming is more family. I have had great times playing the Wii with my family and great times playing by myself on my PC. PC gamers should support the PC gaming industry by buying the software and not stealing it. If you can aford top of the line hardware there is no flippen reason why you can't aford $50 bucks for a video game as well.....
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With the availability of racing wheels, xbox360 controllers, etc the only thing that consoles really do better are split screen multiplayer games.

PC's can do sports, racing, and rpg games as well as any console.
 
DeadByDawn said:
Warning:part piracy, part console rant.

Piracy is part of the reason PC only titles is becoming less and less.

More often are games ported from consoles to PCs.
Any game made for consoles and PCs is watered down in some way.
Sometimes developers take the time to make it better for the PC platform (COD4 for example) but ofter the design of the game is limited to work with a gamepad. This hinders the possiblities and complexity they can put into game design.

I wonder if piracy didnt exist, how much better PC game industry would be better today.
I also understand that PC gaming is much more expensive, but i wonder how much of the pie that really is? Back in the PC Only gaming hayday (UT, TFC, HL1, Quake3, Quake2, etc.) stuff was still expensive.

I'm a PC fan, and dont care for consoles. Ive tried to own and xbox, 360, and now have a PS3. I would up buyting and selling xboxs twice. I would buy it thinking ill get into it, but get bored after playing some of the games. The games seem so shallow compared to PC games. It's funny to me to see folks getting all excited when they talk about playing a game like Halo3. "Oohhh, you can play against people online" or "Ooohh, you jump in a vehicle".
All i have to say is try a game like BattleField2 on the PC folks. Been there done that years ago.

My last rant is how un-natural the gamepad feels when playing an FPS. I'm sure its becomes natural with practice and experience. To me nothing beats a mouse and keyboad.

I will say consoles are good for sports games and arcade driving games.

Alright, let the flaming begin!
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This is a fascinating topic that has been sorely lacking in any discussion here. I'd like to subscribe to your newsletter.
 
Lets see... a 1500+ PC for decent gaming performance with new titles that may or may not be decent in two years....
OR!
A $400 console you can hook into your existing tv and be guaranteed to have new, cutting edge games for the next 4 years...
Hard choice, hard hard choice for the average middle-class middle-income family.
Oh right, did I mention that you can have more than one of your kids play at the same time on a console?
 
maleficarus said:
Console gaming has always owned sports, racing and RPG.
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LOL
In the 80s, aside from a few titles like Dragon Quest, ALL RPGs were for
PC/Apple/Commodore. Many believe the golden age of RPGs occurred on the PC platform in the 1990s. The genre has steadily declined in popularity. Most "RPGs" are watered down crap nowadays.
 
Drakan290 said:
Lets see... a 1500+ PC for decent gaming performance with new titles that may or may not be decent in two years....
OR!
A $400 console you can hook into your existing tv and be guaranteed to have new, cutting edge games for the next 4 years...
Hard choice, hard hard choice for the average middle-class middle-income family.
Oh right, did I mention that you can have more than one of your kids play at the same time on a console?
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"Cutting-edge games" are only possible on consoles for the first 6-12 months of its life. Comparing a new PC game to its console counterpart when the console is 3 or 4 years old is effectively night and day. Even now PC games are beginning to look significantly better than the console versions.

As for the whole 'console gaming is cheaper' argument, you need a decent HDTV to get the most out of the new consoles. The standard official controllers for each console are more expensive than controllers for previous generations. Add Xbox Live subscriptions, more expensive games (and the fact they stay expensive for longer - e.g. a year ago the PC version of Marvel Ultimate Alliance was AU$20 and the console versions were still AU$110). The massively-popular music-rhythm games are now the price of three new-release games. The prices add up. And since you're assuming an existing TV...putting a $400 video card into your existing (albeit, recent) computer will guarantee you cutting edge games for around four years.
 
maleficarus said:
PC gaming and console gaming is like night and day. PC gaming has always owned FPS, RTS, and Simulation. Console gaming has always owned sports, racing and RPG.
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WHAT!!!! Console gaming has always owned RPG games. Did you smoke crack before you posted that or what?

Drakan290 said:
Lets see... a 1500+ PC for decent gaming performance with new titles that may or may not be decent in two years....
OR!
A $400 console you can hook into your existing tv and be guaranteed to have new, cutting edge games for the next 4 years...
Hard choice, hard hard choice for the average middle-class middle-income family.
Oh right, did I mention that you can have more than one of your kids play at the same time on a console?
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Console games cutting edge for 4 years? You and Maleficarus must have been toking up prior to these absurd comments.

Dont do drugs all, You dont want to turn out like these two :)
 
Plague_Injected said:
"Cutting-edge games" are only possible on consoles for the first 6-12 months of its life. Comparing a new PC game to its console counterpart when the console is 3 or 4 years old is effectively night and day. Even now PC games are beginning to look significantly better than the console versions.

As for the whole 'console gaming is cheaper' argument, you need a decent HDTV to get the most out of the new consoles. The standard official controllers for each console are more expensive than controllers for previous generations. Add Xbox Live subscriptions, more expensive games (and the fact they stay expensive for longer - e.g. a year ago the PC version of Marvel Ultimate Alliance was AU$20 and the console versions were still AU$110). The massively-popular music-rhythm games are now the price of three new-release games. The prices add up. And since you're assuming an existing TV...putting a $400 video card into your existing (albeit, recent) computer will guarantee you cutting edge games for around four years.
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The XBox 360 has been out for 3 years, PS3 for 2 years, and the graphics are still pretty damn good on both platforms and not looking dated against PC gaming except for resolution. I have Fallout 3 on the 360 and have seen it on a PC. Yep the PC was playing it a higher resolution, however presuming you are not sitting around pixel peeping and actually play the game, I think it looks the same on both platforms. I do not think we are at the point where the current consoles simply look like crap compared to PC releases.

Also the XBL subscriptions and music games are optional expenses. Not to mention the best control pad for PC games (if you want a control pad) IS the 360 controller.
 
ocellaris said:
The XBox 360 has been out for 3 years, PS3 for 2 years, and the graphics are still pretty damn good on both platforms and not looking dated against PC gaming except for resolution. I have Fallout 3 on the 360 and have seen it on a PC. Yep the PC was playing it a higher resolution, however presuming you are not sitting around pixel peeping and actually play the game, I think it looks the same on both platforms. I do not think we are at the point where the current consoles simply look like crap compared to PC releases.

Also the XBL subscriptions and music games are optional expenses. Not to mention the best control pad for PC games (if you want a control pad) IS the 360 controller.
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Another Crack smoker. We have a surplus of rocks being chopped and smoked tonight.

Having an opinion is one thing. People should have the priviledge to think and believe what they wish. However, When factual evidence arises that can negate ones opinion ( such as the whole, Consoles=PC - resolution in respects to graphic quality and texture size), ones opinion should conform to the evidence on the table, and therefore change
 
Technoob said:
So, making a reasonable argument that makes your rantings look like kindergarten drivel = smoking crack?
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Technoob, not actual crack my good sir or maddam. I am speaking of metaphorical crack.

Its a hyperbole! (KS, 2008)
 
edifyingkarma said:
Technoob, not actual crack my good sir or maddam. I am speaking of metaphorical crack.

Its a hyperbole! (KS, 2008)
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I was SO unaware that you were not referring to real crack.









Since we're pointing out the obvious, that was sarcasm.
 
Plague_Injected said:
"Cutting-edge games" are only possible on consoles for the first 6-12 months of its life. Comparing a new PC game to its console counterpart when the console is 3 or 4 years old is effectively night and day. Even now PC games are beginning to look significantly better than the console versions.

As for the whole 'console gaming is cheaper' argument, you need a decent HDTV to get the most out of the new consoles. The standard official controllers for each console are more expensive than controllers for previous generations. Add Xbox Live subscriptions, more expensive games (and the fact they stay expensive for longer - e.g. a year ago the PC version of Marvel Ultimate Alliance was AU$20 and the console versions were still AU$110). The massively-popular music-rhythm games are now the price of three new-release games. The prices add up. And since you're assuming an existing TV...putting a $400 video card into your existing (albeit, recent) computer will guarantee you cutting edge games for around four years.
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The average user != recent, upgradeable computer.
Most of the average users do have a somewhat recent HDTV because of the switch in feb 09 though. Which makes it all the more compelling. Besides, how many people are going to play a 'under the radar' game over xbox live? nobody? PC games that are popular have about the same shelf life as popular 360 games. 360 games that nobody likes, I do admit, stay expensive longer.
Most people don't much care about if the games look their greatest either, they just want them to look good, and a $600 pc is not going to do that for them.

Also: wasn't this thread about piracy? lol
 
What is sarcasm? Im not familiar with such terminology

Geez, you guys make me want to smoke crack. I have white dust all over my face due to second hand.

Remember

"Arguing on the internet is like running in the special olympics; No matter who wins, you're still fucking retarded"
 
edifyingkarma said:
What is sarcasm? Im not familiar with such terminology

Geez, you guys make me want to smoke crack. I have white dust all over my face due to second hand.

Remember

"Arguing on the internet is like running in the special olympics; No matter who wins, you're still fucking retarded"
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You're just full of originality aren't you. You went with the never before heard "yer smokin crack" joke, straight into an incredibly hilarious retards arguing on the internet joke. You sure showed us dude.
 
Technoob said:
You're just full of originality aren't you. You went with the never before heard "yer smokin crack" joke, straight into an incredibly hilarious retards arguing on the internet joke. You sure showed us dude.
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CRACK FOR YOU AS WELL! Wow this is turning out to be major fun.

Seriously dudes, If you honestly cannot discern the difference in quality between consoles and PCs, then you are either blind or must be smoking crack
 
edifyingkarma said:
Another Crack smoker. We have a surplus of rocks being chopped and smoked tonight.

Having an opinion is one thing. People should have the priviledge to think and believe what they wish. However, When factual evidence arises that can negate ones opinion ( such as the whole, Consoles=PC - resolution in respects to graphic quality and texture size), ones opinion should conform to the evidence on the table, and therefore change
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I have all three consoles along with a gaming PC that a keep pretty updated, my household easily drops $1000+/year into games. Apparently unlike some people, I like to play games more than staring at wall textures. When playing consoles games, I never look at something like a fence and go "Damn, that fence would look so much better if I was looking at the fence in 1600x1200 with 8xAA on my PC!" With almost all PS3 and 360 games playing at 720P currently, I am simply not seeing a big discrepancy in how the PC is visually superior during game play.

Also since piracy has effectively killed off used PC game trade ins, I definitely find myself getting more value when spending cash on console releases. Usually after spending $60 on a console game, the trade in value is ~$30+ to help get new games when you factor in Gamestop promotions.
 
Because piracy doesn't exist on a PC right?

It's much easier to develop a game on a console because you know the exact hardware, so you can make it look as best it can, no more no less. And with the xbox/360/PS3 you have a wide audience of gamers looking for online multiplayer, without the largest PC budget in the world (a teenager with no job can afford a 360). Where as PC gamers expect to have support for onboard graphics all the way up to Quad SLI, with an ever expanding list of resolutions with different quality levels of models, textures, and effects, etc. This runs production costs very high with a smaller return, to satisfy a comparably sized audience.

Just a while back, hardocp had a link to a story explaining how it's harder for third party publishers to turn a profit on a majority of games. The only thing that keeps them in business is the ocassional hit, that sells a few hundred thousand copies or more. And thats why you have all these rehashes and generic titles, because they try to fit the formula that they know will make a profit with less risk (and less originality).
 
ocellaris said:
Go watch some of the RE5 footage over here:

http://www.gametrailers.com/player/41915.html

Do you really think that looks worse than most of the newer PC games?
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Actually, Yes, its fairly obvious. They did a fantastic job within the limitations of the consoles with the character textures. The "hero" is well rendered and looks fairly smooth. However all other aspects of the surrounds are fairly dull in comparison to PC counterparts, No surprise there really, that is always the case. That is not just attributed to a lack of resolution but texture sizes as well. The environment and enemies are lackluster when you compare it to the capabilities of even a mid-range machine.

The graphics look pretty nice, but are limited by the hardware of the consoles. Even older games such as Mass Effect with the comparison here, really defines the difference between the two http://www.videogamer.com/features/article/28-05-2008-425-5.html,

However I will concede that it is a matter of preference. Some folks are happy with the ability of the consoles in the department of graphics and configuration. Do the consoles look like crap, Hell! NO! They look pretty damn good, and for some, good enough.

But they lack a definite vibrance that comes with the decent hardware of a PC. For some, the environment (fence for example) is very important as is facilitates emmersion. I am one of those people. However if you enjoy your consoles, more power too you, they look nice as well.




OP, sorry for hijacking your thread, you have permission to shit on my doorstep
 
edifyingkarma said:
WHAT!!!! Console gaming has always owned RPG games. Did you smoke crack before you posted that or what?



Console games cutting edge for 4 years? You and Maleficarus must have been toking up prior to these absurd comments.

Dont do drugs all, You dont want to turn out like these two :)
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LOL my bad
 
How the Phuk do you think consoles OWN PCs in role-playing games! Have you ever heard of WOW, EQ2, WARHAMMER just to name a few.
 
archevilangel said:
With the availability of racing wheels, xbox360 controllers, etc the only thing that consoles really do better are split screen multiplayer games.

PC's can do sports, racing, and rpg games as well as any console.
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Thank you!
 
Well damn, I could have sworn they involved running around completing quests, leveling up, killing monsters, getting loot, talking to NPCs... Perhaps I'm working on a different definition of RPG here. In fact, since MMOs let you play with other people and clearly are more expansive and addictive than most single-player RPGs, I'd say that they're pretty much RPG 2.0.
 
I agree with the trend, I disagree with the cause.

I think the consoles becoming more PC like is the cause, developers and publisher are still in the end, in it for the money, making a game which works on both platforms from the begining reaches the widest audience and makes the most money, whether piracy exists or not.

The adoption of PC technology, such as API's like directx and other PC formats, as well as hardware engineerd from technology created and matured in PCs, has allowed developers to write engines such as the Unreal3.0 engine which are compatible with multiple platforms.
 
ocellaris said:
The XBox 360 has been out for 3 years, PS3 for 2 years, and the graphics are still pretty damn good on both platforms and not looking dated against PC gaming except for resolution. I have Fallout 3 on the 360 and have seen it on a PC. Yep the PC was playing it a higher resolution, however presuming you are not sitting around pixel peeping and actually play the game, I think it looks the same on both platforms. I do not think we are at the point where the current consoles simply look like crap compared to PC releases.
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There are still some console games that look better than PC games IMO.
Haven't yet seen anything on PC that looked quite like Wipeout HD in 1080p.
 
Another one of these threads...

What the world would be like without opinions...
 
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