Phase 2 - Badge Art Contest

[Hito Bahadur]

Okay guys/gals. This is phase 2 one of the competition to chose the art for Hardfolding Case Badges. During phase 2, we will be selecting the top 3 entries. These entries are based on results of the Phase 1 polls. Please pick the art that you like the best. This portion of the contest will continue until 10:00 PM EST on Saturday the 5th of March.

Phase 3 will begin after Phase 2 is complete. At that point I will take the top three badges from the Phase 2 poll and conduct a run-off poll. This will form the Phase 3 poll. This poll will continue until Wednesday the 9th of March. I have shortened the time to conduct the polls because of impatience and because it looks like the majority of voting was complete after 3-4 days in the first phase.

Submissions comprise art from: p[H]ant0m, Schmave, Mayhem33 and Lperry. Please thank them when you get a chance.

Full resolution images of the badges can be looked at on the following page (appologies in advance for my rough html skills):
www.nefolding.org/phase2.html

Anyways, happy voting:

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[KodiakStar]

You forgot the Poll part
edit:ixnay! . my bad, Time to vote!

 

[Hito Bahadur]

It's there. You jumped the gun

 

[KodiakStar]

Doing a good job Hito!

 

[Hito Bahadur]

Doing a good job Hito!

Thanks. Hopefully everything is viewable. I designed around 1280x1024, but haven't been on a computer with that resolution: (worked on a 1280x800 and 1400x1050 monitor). Let me know if any adjustments need to be made.

 

[TwiztedFait]

thanks for getting this all set up man, good job.

 

[Hito Bahadur]

thanks for getting this all set up man, good job.

The artists did all the work. I'm just a monkey.

Thanks to Mayhem33, P[H]ant0m, Schmave and Lperry for their submissions.

 

[Kvothe]

The artists did all the work. I'm just a monkey.

Thanks to Mayhem33, P[H]ant0m, Schmave and Lperry for their submissions.

Hito, looks real good to me. Are you the monkey that marty was talking about in his distributed monkey spanking project?

 

[Hito Bahadur]

Hito, looks real good to me. Are you the monkey that marty was talking about in his distributed monkey spanking project?

Only if Marty is a girl and cute.

 

[Schmave]

Looks good. For those of you who like the style mine are in, number 6 is doing the best, so you should probably vote for it (so as not to split my votes).

P.S. Vote for me

 

[Buckshot]

Nice work Boys like them all

Buck

 

[Gk22CoE]

will there be a minimum number of points someone has to have to be able to buy one of these? just something like 5k points to get new folders in?

 

[Hito Bahadur]

I'm working on a proposal. My first instict is yes, there should be a minimum. I'm not certain what it should be.

I also think that, depending on the design, we could have slightly different colored badges to signify major milestones: 5k, 50k, 100k, 500k, 1M or something like that (something in line with our H sigs. Any good suggestions would be appreciated.

 

[magnusvir]

how about just the numbers at the bottom of the badge?

 

[Kvothe]

I also think that, depending on the design, we could have slightly different colored badges to signify major milestones: 5k, 50k, 100k, 500k, 1M or something like that (something in line with our H sigs. Any good suggestions would be appreciated.

The different styles are a cool idea, but I'm thinking that 5k is probably a little low for the first one. It could get potentially expensive with the number of people that hit 5k and then disappear. 50k just seems more a worthwile contribution to reward with a special one of these.

 

[Hito Bahadur]

p[H]ant0m,

I'm not certain we can donate these to new users. I think it would have to be a purchase program. I haven't figured out the cost, but probably around $3 when you figure the 2 shippings involved, paypal cut and cost of the badge.

 

[Kvothe]

Oh trust me, I wasn't thinking donation style here, although my post certainly sounded that way. I'm planning on busting out the wallet for my fair share. I just think that maybe for rank specific badges, points or otherwise, we'd be better served by a moderate number like 25-50k for the low end. Just my 2 pence.

 

[Hito Bahadur]

Oh trust me, I wasn't thinking donation style here, although my post certainly sounded that way. I'm planning on busting out the wallet for my fair share. I just think that maybe for rank specific badges, points or otherwise, we'd be better served by a moderate number like 25-50k for the low end. Just my 2 pence.

I think we will need some input on this one. The question is how much time (not necessarily points) is a reasonable amount to wait. A lot of people took 3 months just to get to the 5k points. Is three months of folding just reward for a badge? Probably. 25k would mean badges for only the hardcore folders

Here are some numbers based on daily rates for active users: (i.e. if our active users started with 0 points today but had their current daily points averages, this is the number of users that would qualify for the badges within 3 months)

5,000 points within 3 months - 857 active Hardocp folders could get the badges within this period
10,000 points within 3 months - 581 active Hardocp folders could get the badges within this period
25,000 points within 3 months - 284 active Hardocp folders could get the badges within this period
50,000 points within 3 months - 107 active Hardocp folders could get the badges within this period


My point is, when do we want to "reward" our guys with badges for their contribution. Should they be rewarded after 1,2,3,6 or 12 months? My feeling is that it should be within the 2-3 month range. If so, I don't think we should go over 10,000 points as the minimum. Do we disenfranchise our lower daily average people by making them wait 6 months to a year for a badge when the median average points per day of our members is 112?

edit: I think the idea about different badge colors is the way to reward the hardcore folders. I'd like a million point badge, and I could actually earn it in less than 2 years. On the other hand a lower producing member (say the median of 112) that is hardcore in dedication should be proud of getting a 100k badge at the 2 year point.

Comments?

 

[Kvothe]

Aahhhhhhh OK Hito, I see where you're going now (its too early to be workin the forums ). Instead of rank or point specific, you're looking at more of a time dedicated to the cause type thing. In that case, what you've proposed (2-3 month range) sounds quite good.

 

[Hito Bahadur]

Aahhhhhhh OK Hito, I see where you're going now (its too early to be workin the forums ). Instead of rank or point specific, you're looking at more of a time dedicated to the cause type thing. In that case, what you've proposed (2-3 month range) sounds quite good.

Yeah, what is a reasonable nunmber of points to one person is very unreasonable to another because of the huge variance in Points per day our team members produce. And, of course, the idea is to get the person "hooked."

I woke up at 0530 this morning and couldn't get back to sleep. D'oh!

 

[Kvothe]

Yeah, what is a reasonable nunmber of points to one person is very unreasonable to another because of the huge variance in Points per day our team members produce. And, of course, the idea is to get the person "hooked."

I woke up at 0530 this morning and couldn't get back to sleep. D'oh!

Only 5:30? Yer a lazy bum I say! j/k I cringed when the alarm went off at 4, being stuck at home with a bum knee gave me a real good excuse to sleep in and spend every minute of the day here and playing GT4. It did kinda suck not being able to monitor the work boxen, but it looks like the firewall at least let them out to play nice with Stanford.

 

[Hito Bahadur]

Only 5:30? Yer a lazy bum I say! j/k I cringed when the alarm went off at 4, being stuck at home with a bum knee gave me a real good excuse to sleep in and spend every minute of the day here and playing GT4. It did kinda suck not being able to monitor the work boxen, but it looks like the firewall at least let them out to play nice with Stanford.

Yeah, I'm moving to a new house over the next 3 days so I'm going to be crazy busy, not to mention I have some work I have to complete (although I am technically taking the next 2 days off). Plus I've got to figure out how to not lose too much production while I transfer to a new broadband carrier (Going from Verizon to Cox). I think my secondary router will become my primary router with the wireless router being a drop off my primary. Wow that didn't make sense. Hopefully I can get all the boxes on the same series of IPs this time.

 

[unhappy_mage]

My point is, when do we want to "reward" our guys with badges for their contribution. Should they be rewarded after 1,2,3,6 or 12 months? My feeling is that it should be within the 2-3 month range.

The problem is that production varies wildly. If you've got one computer at a64 3200+, then 3 months of effort won't get you very far compared to the corporate folder with 50 3.2gHz p4s. Given this, there's no real way to keep track of who's been folding for the past 3 months unless you keep the stats yourself. XO doesn't keep 3 months back, IIRC... Perhaps King_N could make a script that tells you how much activity a person's account has had...

 

[Hito Bahadur]

The problem is that production varies wildly. If you've got one computer at a64 3200+, then 3 months of effort won't get you very far compared to the corporate folder with 50 3.2gHz p4s. Given this, there's no real way to keep track of who's been folding for the past 3 months unless you keep the stats yourself. XO doesn't keep 3 months back, IIRC... Perhaps King_N could make a script that tells you how much activity a person's account has had...

Unhappy_mage. I am not saying to track by time folding. What I am about is making sure we set a point limit that is reasonably justified based on expected time to get to the goal.

 

[LPerry]

Just a suggestion, but what if there were levels of badges...

1K
5K
10K
100K
1 M
2 M
etc...

Then anyone could order a badge that fits their "level" and then upgrade as they reach goals. May be too much trouble, but anyone who is folding should be able to get one of these IMHO.

 

[Hito Bahadur]

Just a suggestion, but what if there were levels of badges...

1K
5K
10K
100K
1 M
2 M
etc...

Then anyone could order a badge that fits their "level" and then upgrade as they reach goals. May be too much trouble, but anyone who is folding should be able to get one of these IMHO.

LPerry that is what I'm suggesting, although I think it might be better just to keep it simpler:
10k, 100k, 1M

at leats for now.

 

[unhappy_mage]

Unhappy_mage. I am not saying to track by time folding. What I am about is making sure we set a point limit that is reasonably justified based on expected time to get to the goal.

Ok, just wanted to make sure that was where you were going with that. Like LPerry said, everyone who folds should be able to get these.

edit: lperry did you get my email? I sent it to the one listed at em-dc.com...

 

[TwiztedFait]

LPerry that is what I'm suggesting, although I think it might be better just to keep it simpler:
10k, 100k, 1M

at leats for now.

While I agree with how you want to distribute the badges, I think there needs to be smaller 'goal' lvl's for badges. The average person gets 112 points per day. That would be 3 months for their 1st badge. I don't see a problem with that. If the next jump was 100,000 they wouldn't get another badge for almost 800 days. The people that you are trying to hook are most likley going to be people like me. I have 1 comp that I can fold with(while I am currently trying to BorG some more I don't have access of the funds to create my own farm or a mass amount of machines) How am I suppose to get hyped about getting my next badge if i have to wait over 2 years for it?? And then for the next badge I would have to wait for 24 years.

I personally think that smaller steps between badges would be better for everyone. If someone is running a farm they most likely will jump over badges and not even need them anyways. Lvl's like 10k, 25k, 50k 75k, 100k, 150k 200k, 500k, 1M 1.5M 2M etc would allow people to feel that they are actually getting something accomplished. In all honesty MOST people will not even see a 100k badge or higher unless they are running a farm.

If you are worried about costs involved, I am sure that most people will be willing to shell out a couple of bucks for a badge to put on their case. Then the DC project can raise some funds to run more contests to get even more folders.

Just my thoughts on the deal, Don't forget the little guy when you set milestone events. If you set the goal to high at 1st it will overwhelm people and they may give up.

 

[Hito Bahadur]

I personally think that smaller steps between badges would be better for everyone. If someone is running a farm they most likely will jump over badges and not even need them anyways. Lvl's like 10k, 25k, 50k 75k, 100k, 150k 200k, 500k, 1M 1.5M 2M etc would allow people to feel that they are actually getting something accomplished. In all honesty MOST people will not even see a 100k badge or higher unless they are running a farm.

If you are worried about costs involved, I am sure that most people will be willing to shell out a couple of bucks for a badge to put on their case. Then the DC project can raise some funds to run more contests to get even more folders.

Part of it is order of magnitude. Part of it is management of all the different badge types and we do need to make sure we have the art for all the different badges. I agree that 10k, 100k, 1M is too many steps. Any other ideas? I'll take everything on board and start fleshing out a more refined plan.

As far as price is concerned, I'm not too worried. Lots of 25 are much cheaper than 10, but there isn't a huge price savings above that. I think $3.00 (per badge) will cover all the costs regardless. If people purchase a lot, any savings would go to the next CPU contest, or other initiatives, etc.

 

[Kvothe]

I've been doing some thinking about this, and TwiztedFait spoke some pretty true words. I like his idea of the smaller steps, but maybe start with 5k, 10k, 25, 50, 75, 100, 250, 500, 750, 1mil, and maybe in half mil increments from there on.

Actually to me, 5k looks like a good base to start most things out. Maybe that should the base amount for everything here, as it worked quite well with the CPU contest.

As for the art, that shouldn't be a problem as I'm sure there are at least a few of us that would be willing to kick in.

What kind of badges are you looking at Hito? Domed, or just flat sheets?

 

[Hito Bahadur]

I've been doing some thinking about this, and TwiztedFait spoke some pretty true words. I like his idea of the smaller steps, but maybe start with 5k, 10k, 25, 50, 75, 100, 250, 500, 750, 1mil, and maybe in half mil increments from there on.

Actually to me, 5k looks like a good base to start most things out. Maybe that should the base amount for everything here, as it worked quite well with the CPU contest.

As for the art, that shouldn't be a problem as I'm sure there are at least a few of us that would be willing to kick in.

What kind of badges are you looking at Hito? Domed, or just flat sheets?

I'm thinking domed and that the art should be the same badge but just different color themes (for the different levels)......

5k does make a lot of sense. And as long as we can come up with sufficient color schemes that work then more divisions shouldn't be a big problem.

 

[Kvothe]

I'm thinking domed and that the art should be the same badge but just different color themes (for the different levels)......

5k does make a lot of sense. And as long as we can come up with sufficient color schemes that work then more divisions shouldn't be a big problem.

Well how about just using the current color scheme, maybe just with a little more contrast between the inner and outer color. Also, are you thinking of going with different art, or using whatever wins the contest?

 

[Mayhem33]

Wow theirs a lot to cover here.
1) I like the 5000 starter level
2) I think after 50,000 points levels could be further apart, like 5, 25, 50, 100, 200
3) at each point level there is a base color, use that...only 1 [H] from xENo's color scheme
4) maybe work in actuall # of score on badge....no need for ledgend

These are my thoughts!

 

[Schmave]

Different badges for points:
I think we should start with 5K, then 10, 25, 50, 100, 250, 500, and 1M.

It might be interesting to use the different color schemes for different point values, but something just seems odd about a big green [H], if you know what I mean. I think we could maybe print normal ones for the lower point values with some simple variation on the theme (maybe even put point amount on there). For the higher value ones, we could print the logo on a silver (metallic-looking) badge or something. Of course, it depends on which logo is chosen, but that's what I think.

 

[Hito Bahadur]

I like the though of changing the background color because it would be very apparent, but black seems to be popular. And we all love the red on black theme of Hardocp. What about a color border stripe. Maybe a 20-30 pixel border around the art that would be a different color for the different levels. Make it wide enough so it is within the curved area of the dome.

 

[Kvothe]

I like the though of changing the background color because it would be very apparent, but black seems to be popular. And we all love the red on black theme of Hardocp. What about a color border stripe. Maybe a 20-30 pixel border around the art that would be a different color for the different levels. Make it wide enough so it is within the curved area of the dome.

We'd almost have to have another contest to see what the best way to do it would be. I know I'd like basic [H] with maybe a glowing effect around it, not as overt as a border, but enough that you'd get the point, without taking over the badge.

 

[Hito Bahadur]

We'd almost have to have another contest to see what the best way to do it would be. I know I'd like basic [H] with maybe a glowing effect around it, not as overt as a border, but enough that you'd get the point, without taking over the badge.

Probably not worth worrying about much past what we have done until this contest is over.

 

[Kvothe]

Probably not worth worrying about much past what we have done until this contest is over.

You're probably right. Hito, do you not sleep or something?

 

[Hito Bahadur]

You're probably right. Hito, do you not sleep or something?

On average, about 6 hours a day. I can never go back to sleep in the morning even though I might want to.

 

[Kvothe]

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