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PENTIUM 5 coming

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http://www.x86-secret.com/index.php
(link from Inq - but they didnt talk about naming and the Pentium 5 )

has Asus's new motherboard names.... notice the naming scheme... P5xxxx

all of the current Pentium 4 boards are P4XXXX
like the P4C800, P4P800, etc
looks like its
XX-Y-ZZZ

XX = chipname = P4 = pentium 4

Y = chipset letter = C =canterwood, P=springdale, A = alderwood, G = grantsdale, S= sis, v = Via

ZZZ = memory type /fsb

ex:
P4S333 = Pentium 4, sis chipset, DDR333 support
P4C800 = Pentium4, canterwood, dual ddr 400 (400x2=800)
P5GD2 = Pentium5, Grantsdale, DDR2
 
*sigh


Intel has said and said again that Prescott will be Pentium 4. And Tejas will be Pentium 4. When will people realize that?


EDIT: I'll probably get the P5GD2-VM this april
 
I have to agree with rayman2k2.....Tejas will still be Netburst based and remain a P4....as someone else said in another thread, Intel changes the designation with new architecture. I would expect Nehalem to be the P5.
 
asus has already made the P5 series, P5A-B was a super socket 7 lol, frankly if they call it pentium 5, im going to be sick, come up with a new name already :rolleyes:
 
"Pentium 5"... sounds kinda redundant.

They should maybe move to Hexium or something. Then they could start all over; Hexium II, Hexium III, Hexiu....
 
Originally posted by rayman2k2
*sigh


Intel has said and said again that Prescott will be Pentium 4. And Tejas will be Pentium 4. When will people realize that?


EDIT: I'll probably get the P5GD2-VM this april
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When has Intel specificaly said that?

We know they are going to be based on the same cores, but that has nothing to do with what they name it.

Originally posted by JetUsafMech
I have to agree with rayman2k2.....Tejas will still be Netburst based and remain a P4....as someone else said in another thread, Intel changes the designation with new architecture. I would expect Nehalem to be the P5.
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Pentium Pro, II, III were all variations on the P6 core.
 
Originally posted by VVVVVVVVVVVVVVVI
Pentium Pro, II, III were all variations on the P6 core.
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Which begs the question why the needed to rename it so many times? lol
 
The name changing really seems arbitrary. The difference between P2 and P3 was essentially nil except for SSE, until Coppermine that is, which you could argue was the first real P3.

If Intel was as ecstatic about changing names as they used to be, they would have gone from P4 to P5 at Northwood (there was a pretty big jump there), and maybe to P6 at Prescott.

I agree that a new name might be nice, but marketing would cost quite a bit to promote the new brand. A CS teacher I had a while back thought that Intel would go Pentium, Hexium, Septium, etc.
 
Originally posted by NightRaven
The name changing really seems arbitrary. The difference between P2 and P3 was essentially nil except for SSE, until Coppermine that is, which you could argue was the first real P3.

If Intel was as ecstatic about changing names as they used to be, they would have gone from P4 to P5 at Northwood (there was a pretty big jump there), and maybe to P6 at Prescott.

I agree that a new name might be nice, but marketing would cost quite a bit to promote the new brand. A CS teacher I had a while back thought that Intel would go Pentium, Hexium, Septium, etc.
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Quick check with the trademark office would tell you.

Like back when AMD was scooping up a bunch of names... including Opteron.
 
I think Pentium5 = surprise 64-bit extensions....

Intel announced IA-32e = (e)xtended? on its Prescott & Nocona
(equivalents to Northwood & Gallatin on .09 with extra stuff in it)

Yahoo News

Its on the front page of [H] and the Inq'

That explains the 2nd execution trace seen on the core... apps on 64 bit OS will use both maybe Prescott will be more exciting afterall.

Going to be something like HT was in the beginning... only on servers & workstation, but then will be mainstream shortly.
 
does anyone realize there is a difference between the terms "P6" or "P5" and the Pentium names? They DON'T reflect each other. as said earlier in this post the "P*" numbers are designation of the core model.

Pentium Pro, II, III were all variations on the P6 core.
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AFAIK, its just a continuation of the core revision names. 286, 386, 486, Pentium (586), then they kept the Pentium name from then on but the P6 core could be considered 686.
 
Originally posted by NightRaven
AFAIK, its just a continuation of the core revision names. 286, 386, 486, Pentium (586), then they kept the Pentium name from then on but the P6 core could be considered 686.
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Quick History someone fill in or correct any spots

8088 - OLD ass tandy's, etc - no harddrives, 1 color displays (B&W)
286 - 8/16 bit ?
386 - 16 bit?
486 - 32 bit
586 - Pentium1, Pro, 2, 3 - 32 bit
686 - Pentium 4
 
Originally posted by chrisf6969
Quick History someone fill in or correct any spots

8088 - OLD ass tandy's, etc - no harddrives, 1 color displays (B&W)
286 - 8/16 bit ?
386 - 16 bit?
486 - 32 bit
586 - Pentium1, Pro, 2, 3 - 32 bit
686 - Pentium 4
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Actually the Pentium (P54C, P55C (MMX)) were 586.

IIRC, the P-Pro, PII & P3 are all 686.

The P4, based on Netburst architecture, is considered 786 or the P7 core...or at least that's what went around when it was introduced. Of course I could be totally wrong.


That said, if the next generation is considered 886, they should call it Octanium. Sounds kind of like an SGI box. ;)


Tom
 
The 386 was 32bit.

The P5x was the 5th gen Pentium 1 (586*)
The P6 was the 6th gen Pentium Pro/II/III (686*)

*They are not officially called 586 or 686, but that would appropriate if Intel had continued that naming convention.

When you get to the Pentium 4, things start to get complicated.

Intel had two development teams working on alternate generations of chips.

The Santa Clara team built the P5. After they were done with that, they moved onto the P7. Shortly thereafter, the Oregon team finished the P6, and moved onto the Netburst (Pentium 4).

The P7 was canceled and never released, and the Santa Clara team moved onto Itanium.

The Pentium 4 core architecture could be considered a replacement 7th generation architecture, or even 8th generation, but Intel stopped using the 'P' desination and called it 'Netburst', so who knows.
 
Originally posted by VVVVVVVVVVVVVVVI

When you get to the Pentium 4, things start to get complicated.

Intel had two development teams working on alternate generations of chips.

The Santa Clara team built the P5. After they were done with that, they moved onto the P7. Shortly thereafter, the Oregon team finished the P6, and moved onto the Netburst (Pentium 4).

The P7 was canceled and never released, and the Santa Clara team moved onto Itanium.
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Ahh, interesting. Never knew that. Thanks for the info... :)

What I was saying about x86 core classifications was regarding generation, not the official architecture designation...just what they would be "considered".


Tom
 
nice educational class on the history of Intel processors ... good work! :)

There should be a stick thread.... "Introduction to Intel processors".....
start with history...
talk about LOCKED multipliers so noobs stop asking how to change multiplier (or overclock) on their Dell or Gateway!!

And end with a little future stuff. PRescott, Tejas, Nocoma, Dothan, etc.
 
Originally posted by VVVVVVVVVVVVVVVI
The 386 was 32bit.

The P5x was the 5th gen Pentium 1 (586*)
The P6 was the 6th gen Pentium Pro/II/III (686*)

*They are not officially called 586 or 686, but that would appropriate if Intel had continued that naming convention.

When you get to the Pentium 4, things start to get complicated.

Intel had two development teams working on alternate generations of chips.

The Santa Clara team built the P5. After they were done with that, they moved onto the P7. Shortly thereafter, the Oregon team finished the P6, and moved onto the Netburst (Pentium 4).

The P7 was canceled and never released, and the Santa Clara team moved onto Itanium.

The Pentium 4 core architecture could be considered a replacement 7th generation architecture, or even 8th generation, but Intel stopped using the 'P' desination and called it 'Netburst', so who knows.
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Great info! After a quick search, this came up:
http://www.intel.com/pressroom/kits/quickreffam.htm
 
It would actually make sense that intel would continue the Pentium X designation, as there is name recognition there. They have spent alot of money in marketing to achieve that name recognition. So if they were to keep the pentium name would it really be such a suprise?
 
Originally posted by Fafnir
It would actually make sense that intel would continue the Pentium X designation, as there is name recognition there. They have spent alot of money in marketing to achieve that name recognition. So if they were to keep the pentium name would it really be such a suprise?
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They will probibly keep the pentium name until at least after p5. After that, it wouldn't probibly be something dumb like hexium or anything, they would probibly rename it like they renamed the p4's core to netburst.

And your right its total name recognition, what average PC buyer knows that pentium goes back to the 586 core... All that they know is pentium = Intel made CPU.
 
Coincidentally Intel released the PENTIUM to coincide with the release of Windows 95. With Microsoft poised to release the Longhorn project at about the same time then perhaps we'll see a non-Pentium name that will fit the MS theme. I just don't see "Pentium 5" or "Sextium" or anything along these lines fitting that theme.

A name like "Sidewinder" would be appropriate: 1. "...small snake..." 2. "A heavy swinging blow from the side, which disables an adversary." 3. "...horned..." (Dictionary.com)
 
It will be Pentium 5 cuz people are afraid of change.. espically when it comes to money...
 
Originally posted by MadRat
Coincidentally Intel released the PENTIUM to coincide with the release of Windows 95. With Microsoft poised to release the Longhorn project at about the same time then perhaps we'll see a non-Pentium name that will fit the MS theme. I just don't see "Pentium 5" or "Sextium" or anything along these lines fitting that theme.

A name like "Sidewinder" would be appropriate: 1. "...small snake..." 2. "A heavy swinging blow from the side, which disables an adversary." 3. "...horned..." (Dictionary.com)
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Are you sure? I always thought it was simply because it was the 5th generation of the x86 architecture...
 
Intel has spent millions of $$ promoting the Pentium name of the past 7-8+ years, it has become a household name/ brand recognized by everyone!

Lots of layman(non-technogeeks) have no idea what it means.... but they just want a computer with a "Pentium" in it versus an Athlon or Via/Eden, etc. So I seriously doubt they would drop the name with the penetration that the name/word has had.

BTW... cool video here... about microchips... history.. future...
http://stanford-online.stanford.edu/courses/ee380/040218-ee380-100.asx
 
Originally posted by NightRaven
Are you sure? I always thought it was simply because it was the 5th generation of the x86 architecture...
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AFAIK:

This is completely correct. PENTIUM was because the next step up from 486 was 586. Intel wanted to make some of the more lay-people out there to feel more comfortable with computers (so they could sell more) so they came up with PENTIUM rather then 586. 586 was the next step in the x86 arcetecture. If Intel had started out from the get-go with names rather than nunbers it would have been somthing like this:

Turdatorium = 8080
Craptastisticum == 8088
Fantasticum == 8086 (name changed cuz of arc.)
Fantasticum 1 == 80186 (yes there was a 186)
Fantasticum 2 == 80286
Fantasticum 3 = 80386
Fantasticum 4 = 80486
Fantasticum 5 (really called Pentium) = 80586.

Notice the all the 5's all over the place in that last list item. Pentium also has the root pent which we all know has to do with the number 5. This is also why they are still using that blasted name Pentium because they havent gien us any major diferences in arcetecture since the Pentium I days. All we get is more cache, smaller components, faster FSB.

What I want is a SEXTIUM (or Fantasticum 6 in my nameing world) that kicks the ass out of a Pentium (like all the x86 changes). *shrug* thats how I see it anyway.
 
I hypothesize that they'll just throw a nice letter on the end...EG.
Pentium X, or Pentium B4 etc...
 
Originally posted by USMC2Hard4U
I dont care what its called, as long as its fast as hell
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yeah..i hear that.

they could call the new chips " dog shit :=p " for all that matters..
as long as the tech is crisp and it don't stink...
*confirm-order-click*

unless this is an advertisement strategy thread...then my bad :p
 
Originally posted by RandomTrend
yeah..i hear that.

they could call the new chips " dog shit :=p " for all that matters..
as long as the tech is crisp and it don't stink...
*confirm-order-click*

unless this is an advertisement strategy thread...then my bad :p
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I can imagine the case badges: Dog Shit Inside!
 
Originally posted by Flipside
I hypothesize that they'll just throw a nice letter on the end...EG.
Pentium X, or Pentium B4 etc...
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Maybe it'll be "Pentium V"

V == 5
 
Originally posted by Anarchy
Maybe it'll be "Pentium V"

V == 5
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They ditched the roman numerals because people are stupid and don't know what IV is.......seriously!
 
Originally posted by batotman
They ditched the roman numerals because people are stupid and don't know what IV is.......seriously!
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damn ... that sooooo true - it [H]urts :(
 
Pentium IV, what is that? Something they hook up to you when you're in the hospital....:D
 
Pentium XP to go along with Windows XP, Office XP, Athlon XP, and all the other XP's :) lol

Lets review this again.

Pentium
Pentium Pro
Pentium II
Pentium III
Pentium 4
Pentium 4 EE (most recent, but based on old P4/Xeon arch)
Pentium M
then.....
Pentium N
Pentium O
Pentium P....

maybe N, since its after M and its the only new architecture.
 
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