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Pentium 4 or AMD 64?

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MatixWSTfoLiFE

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which is better for gaming, AMD 64 3200+ that runs at a 2.2ghz or a pentium 4 3ghz?

now im just asking i dont have a mobo with it or any specs i was just wondering what would run games clean and smoother?
 
if you aren't overclocking, I would say the A64

If you are overclocking, it is pretty close as the p4 will overclock quite high...
 
Gamer=A64

And while you're at it, will you buy me one, too? Me likey the 64-bit goodness :D
 
Well personally I went with a p4 3.2 ghz myself becuase I knew I had overclocking head room and which does perform better then my friends amd 64 bit 3200+ rig.


My p4 3.2 @ 3.3 not big margin but enough idle temps 28-30.6 *c load with good air conditioning *finally got* around 35 before around 50 lol.

Overclocking can be fun :p you can always change the mobo and proc later.
 
For gaming it is A64 regardless if you are overclocking or not. An AMD 64 3000+ will out perform a P4 3.2, and even a P4 3.4 in some games.
 
as said above, a64 for games. i chose the p4 because im not 100% convinced on this whole 64bit bandwagon just yet.
 
acascianelli said:
i chose the p4 because im not 100% convinced on this whole 64bit bandwagon just yet.
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It doesn't matter about the 64 bit processing right now...the A64 is still the better buy.

And if you overclock the A64, it'll perform better than the overclocked P4.
 
The question does come down to whether you will overclock or not. I'm sure a 2.4 or 2.8 @ 250 FSB will definitely be competitive, if not better than th 3200 A64. However, by the same token, take the 3000+ A64 and OC that to 2.3 or 2.4Ghz and then the A64 may actually win out.

In terms of cost, i might even say to go with the P4's as I personally would rather get a 939 vs. a 754 right now (but the 754's are considerably cheaper). So this is also an investment question.
 
Does the A64 perform better in all games? I know that the Doom 3 performance is supposed to be great, but I didn't know how other games work.

I currently have an older Northwood 1.8A overclocked to 2.4Ghz, and would like to upgrade my system sometime soon with a faster system with faster memory.
 
The Athlon64 will beat the P4 in all games. The P4 has the Athlon64 beat in the applications though. But if you game I'd go with the Athlon64.
 
Athlon 64 beats P4s in games, and it's very competitive in applications. They will beat P4s or be very strong in applications. I think right now, the one area that the P4 still owns is encoding, but if you don't do that, you really shouldn't care.
 
BillLeeLee said:
Athlon 64 beats P4s in games, and it's very competitive in applications. They will beat P4s or be very strong in applications. I think right now, the one area that the P4 still owns is encoding, but if you don't do that, you really shouldn't care.
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I totally agree with that statement. Encoding the P4 does still have the upper hand on; but not by much.

The Athlon64 is honestly the best solution right now. It's cheaper and it beats the P4 in near everything.

I have an Athlon64 3400+ and a P4 O/C'd at 3.5GHz and the 3400+ owns the P4.
 
For gaming, I would go with a A64 hands down.....In a lot of game benchmarks a 3000+ is keeping up and beating a lot of P4 3.2EE.
 
acascianelli said:
as said above, a64 for games. i chose the p4 because im not 100% convinced on this whole 64bit bandwagon just yet.
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just like the 16bit->32bit bandwagon intel had with the 286 -> 386?

itll keep progressing and 64bit is the next step
 
i'm a amd man but since only intel has pci-e motherboards atm intel won this round for me and i went with a intel 3.4 gigahertz processor.
 
in that review it says doom 3 likes its cache and alot of it. but how does the a64 with 512k of L2 cache beat a 3.4EE with 2mb of L3 cache.
 
wat about intel's hyper-thread technology

wat should i get

1. amd 64 3200+ with msi motherboard at fry's

2. 3.2 intel hyperthread technology 800 fsb and a motherboard same fry's add

1. costs 289.99
2. 249.99
 
chuckm1020 said:
in that review it says doom 3 likes its cache and alot of it. but how does the a64 with 512k of L2 cache beat a 3.4EE with 2mb of L3 cache.
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The pipeline.

The Athlons accomplish more per clock.
 
XXX-OWNEDBYME-XXX said:
wat about intel's hyper-thread technology

wat should i get

1. amd 64 3200+ with msi motherboard at fry's

2. 3.2 intel hyperthread technology 800 fsb and a motherboard same fry's add

1. costs 289.99
2. 249.99
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When you're playing games, hyper-threading does not play a huge role. Hyper-threading is nice for when you're burning cd's, playing music, rendering a few images, etc at the same time.

I don't think you'll be doing much else while enjoying Doom 3 ;)
 
Any processor will run good on doom 3 above 2.0 ghz and 512 mb of ram so why would it matter yet.

Get a good graphics card and your set.

Your choice is your choice.
 
AMDXPCottonFire22 said:
Any processor will run good on doom 3 above 2.0 ghz and 1024 mb of ram so why would it matter yet.

Get a good graphics card and your set.

Your choice is your choice.
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Fixed. Doom 3 uses well over 512 mb of ram on my system. But you are right, graphics card is by far this most important component.
 
amd 64 hands down (esp. for games).....if you do a lot of video editing (or stuff like that), go with the p4
 
I dont think it really matters anymore, when you think its slow then its slow.
 
chuckm1020 said:
in that review it says doom 3 likes its cache and alot of it. but how does the a64 with 512k of L2 cache beat a 3.4EE with 2mb of L3 cache.
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Because not all programs/app. use that L3 cache. Its like having 4gigs or ram in your motherboard when the maximum that you will ever use is 512. the other 3 and a half gigs are almost usless cause it isnt getting used to its potential. That and like the other guy said better pipeline instructions
 
Mav451 said:
The question does come down to whether you will overclock or not. I'm sure a 2.4 or 2.8 @ 250 FSB will definitely be competitive, if not better than th 3200 A64. However, by the same token, take the 3000+ A64 and OC that to 2.3 or 2.4Ghz and then the A64 may actually win out.
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If that paragraph isnt thee most n00bish thing ive read in along time that was posted in all seriousness I dont know what is.

But seriously that argument is flawed in all so many ways that all im gonna say is its completely wrong and leave it at that

If somebody wants to en knowledge this guy in why hes wrong it would be very generous of you ;)
 
DemonDiablo said:
If that paragraph isnt thee most n00bish thing ive read in along time that was posted in all seriousness I dont know what is.

But seriously that argument is flawed in all so many ways that all im gonna say is its completely wrong and leave it at that

If somebody wants to en knowledge this guy in why hes wrong it would be very generous of you ;)
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Hahaha, I was laughing about that too. That is great logic Mav.
 
I would definately go A64...


But, I don't understand... I once saw the top ten list of 3dMark03 scores (can't remember link) and almost all top 10 scores had a P4 in them... Is it because they overclock higher? I remember them being ridicuously overclocked... like around 4ghz :confused:
 
3DMark03 has a definite bias towards the Pentium 4 architecture...
 
DemonDiablo said:
Because not all programs/app. use that L3 cache. Its like having 4gigs or ram in your motherboard when the maximum that you will ever use is 512. the other 3 and a half gigs are almost usless cause it isnt getting used to its potential. That and like the other guy said better pipeline instructions
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Sorry, I think you need a bit of training in computer architectures. If your logic was correct, then the Athlon XP would be smoking the P4 also, since the XP's pipeline is pretty much the same as the 64. The P4 beats the XP very handily in Doom 3, and Quake 3 (The AMD 64 beats the P4 in both Doom 3 and Quake 3).

The reason the 64 wins is because of uses an internal memory controller, rather than the traditional northbridge architecture. This means memory latencies are extremely low. For example, every dram access on the P4 might take 200 CPU cycles. However, it might only take 80 on an Athlon 64. That's a huge difference in efficiency.

Since the P4 has to wait longer to access dram, cache plays an important role in performance. Cache reduces the times dram has to be accessed. However, since the 64 accesses dram so much faster, it doesn't really need a huge cache.

A P4 EE beats the Northwood by about 15% in Doom 3, so yes, that L3 cache is used. Programs and apps don't decide if the L3 cache is used or not, fundamental computer architecture dictates that it will always be used! Now whether or not it's usage will make a substantial difference in performance depends on the app.
 
MatixWSTfoLiFE said:
which is better for gaming, AMD 64 3200+ that runs at a 2.2ghz or a pentium 4 3ghz?

now im just asking i dont have a mobo with it or any specs i was just wondering what would run games clean and smoother?
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It could be ethier and some say amd others say intel. :p


I don't care anymore .
 
specter554 said:
Hahaha, I was laughing about that too. That is great logic Mav.
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Haha its great i humor you guys. Now that I read it (a week later), I'm laughing myself.

Though I can't promise I'll top that with anything anytime soon.
 
It's not the answer you want, but pick the motherboard (and more specifically, chipset) that you want then choose the appropriate brand CPU.

I go against the grain on this board and choose Intel, only because I want the Intel chipsets above all else. YMMV.

Robert
 
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