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Pentium 3 or Celeron?

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lifeinchains

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Hey all,

I'm starting a new project soon, gutting an old peavey guitar amp I have and modding it into a pc based recording setup. I have most of the parts for it lying around at home, but I need a processor. My question is what would be my best bet for recording, a 1ghz P3 or the same clocked prescott core Celeron? I don't think I'll be overclocking this pc as of yet but that could change :D .
 
I'd get the P3. At a 1ghz clock rate, the IPC on the P3 will be much more efficient than a Prescott core'd Celeron clocked at the same speed thus a P3 should perform better. Now, if you say had a Prescott Celeron-D chip clocked at 2.4+ghz, then the story might be different as the 140% clock increase should make up for the IPC deficiancy of the Prescott line.
 
But all Prescott core Celeron-D's should be A HELL of alot faster than 1GHz in clock speed. There shouldn't be any at less than 2GHz. Which a 100% increase would be enough.

Don't forget also the limitations of Pentium 3 motherboards in terms of drive controller performance, memory technology and basic chipset performance all around.

A Pentium 4 board with an Intel chipset, with a Celeron-D at 2GHz+ will rape that Pentium III 1GHz in almost if not EVERY category.
 
You could most likely get a 400mhz faster celeron for the same price as the pentium III, and I would go with that one.
 
i think if all you need is the processor, which means you already have your mobo.. id get a p3 off of ebay and be done with it, as if you get a prescott celly youll need a new mobo..
 
Yea, I already have a P3V4X just sitting here since i pulled it out of my main machine. I don't need anything much faster than 1ghz for what I'm gonna use the machine for, so I'm not gonna get a new mobo, etc. If I were to do that I'd just upgrade my main box.

The reason I ask is because I was in the FS/FT forum and saw a 1ghz p3 for the same price as a 1ghz celeron with the same size cache. So I was wondering what's the difference? It might see some gaming like q3, wolfenstein or cs, nothing to intensive, mostly just music recording.
 
lifeinchains said:
Yea, I already have a P3V4X just sitting here since i pulled it out of my main machine. I don't need anything much faster than 1ghz for what I'm gonna use the machine for, so I'm not gonna get a new mobo, etc. If I were to do that I'd just upgrade my main box.

The reason I ask is because I was in the FS/FT forum and saw a 1ghz p3 for the same price as a 1ghz celeron with the same size cache. So I was wondering what's the difference? It might see some gaming like q3, wolfenstein or cs, nothing to intensive, mostly just music recording.
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go for the p3. pentium>celly ALWAYS, its marketing. id guess(guess!!) they have a different core, that p3 could be a tutalin while the celly would probably be a coppermine. also, a prescott core will not work in a socket 370 board, only 478.. maybe 775? not up on my cellys, lol
 
Yea thats what I was thinkin, so I'm gonna go for my gut reaction P3 over celeron. I didn't know if that was a prescott or not but I saw it had 256k of cache and assumed it was. Been kinda out of the loop for awhile.

So now that thats settled whats a good choice for slotkets? The P3 is s370 and the p3v4x is slot 1 so I want to get a good quality adapter.

Thanks for all your help.
 
Are we talking about a socket 370 Celeron or a Socket 478 Northwood Celeron? Because a Northwood Celeron will have a clock speed so much higher than any Pentium 3 that the Pentium 3 would lose.

If were only talking about socket 370 and slot 1 Pentium III's vs. Celeron's then of course the Pentium III all the way. But the first post mentioned Prescott. Which a Celeron D would destroy even a Tualatin Pentium III just by being 1GHz faster.
 
Ok just to clear up, its a socket 370 celeron against a socket 370 p3. I guess I probably shouldn't have referred to it as a prescott, but I wasn't aware that they made other celerons with 256k of L2 cache. That's what ya get for not paying attention to this stuff and then jumping back in after a year or so.

Anyway, sorry for the confusion. Just trying to establish a difference between what seemed to be similarly spec'd cpu's. Though I knew theres a catch to the celeries (sp???) I didn't know what it was/is.
 
In socket 370 the Celeron's have less cache and have a lower FSB speed. 66MHz vs. 100 or 133 on the Pentium III. That's why Celeron<Pentium III.
 
Nothing personal guys but some of you have posted incorrect info.

Socket 370 PIII chips all had 256K of cache. The only exception were the 1.13Ghz to 1.4Ghz Tuallitin chips which were bumped up to 512K on some chips.

lithium726 said:
that p3 could be a tutalin while the celly would probably be a coppermine.
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Not possible. Tuallitin P3 cores started at 1.13Ghz. Coppermine 1.13Ghz P3 chips were rare, but did exist. On this list Tually cores are .13 Microns. The H-PBGA is a 1Ghz Tually but it's a laptop chip and will not physicall fit in a desktop board.
http://processorfinder.intel.com/scripts/list.asp

Sir-Fragalot said:
In socket 370 the Celeron's have less cache and have a lower FSB speed. 66MHz vs. 100 or 133 on the Pentium III.
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Celerons from 600Mhz to 933Mhz range had 128K of cache and ran on a 66Mhz bus. At 1Ghz and above they were upgraded to the Tuallitin cores running on 100Mhz bus with 256K of cache.

Speeds being equal, the only difference between the PIII chip and the Celeron is the bus speed the chip itself runs on and how hot the chip is (which is still much cooler than current chips by far)

If you're simply recording audio and not processing it as you record, both chips will work perfectly fine. Your limiting factors are going to be the speed of your hard drive and the IDE transfer rate. Since both chips are the same price, you might as well get the P3, it'll run just slightly hotter than the celly would.

One word of advice, either chip you get invest in a PCI ULTRA 133 controller card. Ultra 133 has less CPU usage than Ultra 66 or 100. That and the card will support larger hard drives than the standard bios could. I'm guessing that motherboard's bios would not be able to support a hard drive larger than 20GB or 40GB.
 
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