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My friend is looking to upgrade his video card since he has an onboard one right now. The only slots he has are pci slots and i was wondering what are some good pci video cards. I was looking at the 9250 pci video card and was wondering what you guys thought of it. He only wants to play cs and wc3.
 
A PCI Radeon 9250 with 256MB of memory looks about as good as it gets for PCI. Newegg has it for around $94 with $20 rebate. That isn't too bad and should get the job done depending on the resolution he wants to run.
 
Eh.....I doubt that the 9250 will even utilize 128, or just barely over. Get the 5200, save your $$$

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Nuc_E said:
They do have the 256mb BFG 6200 OC in pci, but OUCH. Look at that price.http://www.chumbo.com/Info.aspx?id=322418
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How strange... 3D Fusion and BFG are really the same guys, so that is a heck of a price premium for 128MB extra RAM.
I am very curious about how this card would perform though - I haven't seen any reviews on it whatsoever.
The best PCI card I have used to date was the GeForce FX5700le. They are still widely availalble and dirt cheap these days.
 
I would only get a 6200 PCI if it is 128bit ram bandwidth! Those 64 bits are slower than any of the 128bit ram bw cards like 9250 and 5200 if they happen to be 128bit. Ram bandwidth is the big problem with pci slots, just not enough speed. I'm pretty sure I'm right about this but it's been a while, so I might be thinking 64bit verses 32bit. But if you can find one, a 128bit one should be bought.

~Adam
 
CleanSlate said:
I would only get a 6200 PCI if it is 128bit ram bandwidth! Those 64 bits are slower than any of the 128bit ram bw cards like 9250 and 5200 if they happen to be 128bit. Ram bandwidth is the big problem with pci slots, just not enough speed. I'm pretty sure I'm right about this but it's been a while, so I might be thinking 64bit verses 32bit. But if you can find one, a 128bit one should be bought.

~Adam
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i think the NV40 based 6200 would still be faster than the R200 based 9250, no matter what the ram bandwidth is.

clockspeed of the ram also matters, if the 9250 has much lower binned chips on a 128bit interface its gonna be slower than higher clocked chips on a 64bit interface, just needs to have twice the clockspeed.
 
BW efficiency also comes into play here but I think in pure throughput a 9250 128bit will beat a 6200 any day of the week (last time I checked).

I think a 9250 is 250mhz ram bw vs 6200 at 400mhz...

400*64 is less than 250*128. This is where efficiency comes into play as well but I think that the 9250 still wins BUT I suggest a 5200 because it has a much higher ram clock speed as well as a much higher gpu clock speed than a 9250 and find the 128bit version of the 5200.

~Adam
 
yeah...

but the 5200 gpu is an utter peice of shit. i would take the 6200 or 9250 over that peice of garbage any day.

the 6200 has 25.6GB/s of bandwidth while the radeon has 32gb/s, provided its 64-400/128-250. not exactly a deal breaker, considering the NV40 is a much better GPU than R200 ever was. any idea on clockspeeds of the two cores?
 
The 6200 is a good option but I'd personally still hold out for a 128bit card.

~Adam
 
i dont get why these cards still have such a high premium price on em. they should be like 30 bucks. i really want to get one for my sister but no way jose.
 
Nuc_E said:
They were in for a while after being listed as sold out for a very long time. Almost bought one of those 6200s for my HTPC.

They do have the 256mb BFG 6200 OC in pci, but OUCH. Look at that price.

http://www.chumbo.com/Info.aspx?id=322418
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Well, the 6200 (non-TC) is either 64-bit or 128-bit. I've NEVER heard of a 256mb 64-bit card in a model line that has a 128mb 64-bit option (doesn't mean they don't exist, just that I've not seen one), so the 256mb is also (almost certainly) 128-bit.

Which makes a pretty huge difference in performance.

Plus, large local ram makes a bigger difference for PCI cards, since swapping over the PCI bus to system ram is an ENORMOUS performance hit. The more it can store locally, the better.
 
tvdang7 said:
i dont get why these cards still have such a high premium price on em. they should be like 30 bucks. i really want to get one for my sister but no way jose.
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Because they are "the only option" short of a full upgrade to all those millions of OEM PCs Dell and HP sold that only had PCI slots in them.

You want to play BF2 on that system? You *REQUIRE* one of these two cards, period, there are no other options. Ergo, they can charge an arm and a leg for them relative to their real value.
 
Supply and demand, only like 3 or 4 cards exist that can do any good for gaming in pci and only very few companies choose to make them since hardly anyone would buy them thus the supply is lower than demand.

~Adam
 
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