PCI Express then ?

pci-e 2 i assume but we dont know for sure. currentlly there isnt one.
 
currently there is ABSOLUTELY no need, as currently even most graphics cards arent held back by a agp 4x slot... much less a pci-e x16 slot, we will have to wait 2-3 years before a switch.. atleast
 
Yeah seriously. We JUST hit the wall with the PCI bus for the VisionTek X1300 PCI. AGP still has nice legroom for more graphic card updates (expensively so). PCI-E still has a long way to go.
 
I was reading the latest issue of Maximum PC saying that the next iteration of PCI-E is due out next year, and is backwards compatible with current PCI-E standards.

I'm still happy with my AGP based system though, it gets the job done for now.
 
coolxboxgamer said:
currently there is ABSOLUTELY no need, as currently even most graphics cards arent held back by a agp 4x slot... much less a pci-e x16 slot, we will have to wait 2-3 years before a switch.. atleast
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thats funny..
There are threads about people using x4 PCI-E slots and getting lower performance..
:rolleyes:
 
lloose said:
thats funny..
There are threads about people using x4 PCI-E slots and getting lower performance..
:rolleyes:
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Hmm, well considering that PCIe 4x runs at about 1000 Mbps, half of the AGP 8x specification, I could see how this is the case** Yeah, AGP 4x is too slow (well, a 10% drop in performance is what I consider too slow), but the 8x spec is more than capable.


**From MS's website on PCIe
 
im using AGP 8X is just as fast, can't tell much if you are playing.
my card is a 6800GT, but next year im planning on building a new rig, My current system was build 3 yaers ago, so i like to know whats next. I know DDR3 is comming sometime mid 2007.
 
DDR3 is already out.

DDR4 will be released soon, and be fully integrated into Nvidia's 8xxx refresh.
 
Arcygenical said:
DDR3 is already out.

DDR4 will be released soon, and be fully integrated into Nvidia's 8xxx refresh.
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he meant system memory not video memory
 
Arcygenical said:
DDR3 is already out.


DDR4 will be released soon, and be fully integrated into Nvidia's 8xxx refresh.
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i think you are confuse, yea GDDR3 for video cards, im speaking of desktops
Find me a mobo with support DDR3 ram. They already develop it, Samsung is a big chip making and they have it already, is not out for public or main stream yet,
http://www.micron.com/about/news/pressrelease.aspx?id=3DEDAAC1EFA2B68E
 
Oh, as this is a thread about graphic cards, in the graphic card forums, I thought you were talking about GDDR3... Guess I assumed incorrectly :eek:
 
I believe the refreshed 8xxx series will use samsung GDDR4... That's what I've been lead to believe...
 
∞Velocitymaster∞ said:
im using AGP 8X is just as fast, can't tell much if you are playing.
my card is a 6800GT, but next year im planning on building a new rig, My current system was build 3 yaers ago, so i like to know whats next. I know DDR3 is comming sometime mid 2007.
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Just to clarify for everyone else, he wants to know what the next vid card slot is gonna be (in this case, PCI-E 2) so that he can wait until a mobo comes out that supports the new spec vid cards and DDR3 ram for system memory.

Atleast that's what I got out of that conversation...
 
PCIe 2.0 is probably 2-3 years off...

I'd like to think optimistically and say maybe 1-2 years, but these things *always* get pushed back and back...
 
VulturEMaN said:
Just to clarify for everyone else, he wants to know what the next vid card slot is gonna be (in this case, PCI-E 2) so that he can wait until a mobo comes out that supports the new spec vid cards and DDR3 ram for system memory.

Atleast that's what I got out of that conversation...
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thanks for the understanding, that is true
 
PCI-Express has a lot of room to grow, besides signaling speed improvements there will be improvements in power capability will help with future video cards. Current spec is 75W that the PCI-e slot can provide, this is obviously not enough for current and next gen cards, more is needed. Beyond that there is new capabilities in PCI-Express 2.0 such as external PCI-Express. Imagine having your Dual or Quad Video Card setup in a small box outside of your main box yet connected by PCI-Express 2.0. There are also some new bit features added and fixes. PCI-SIG hasn't finilized the spec yet, I believe they are in .09 of the draft.
 
∞Velocitymaster∞ said:
whats the next graphics slot after pci express?
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Good question, especially since PCI-e isn't a graphics slot like the AGP was. PCI-e is an interconnect bus that is capable of supporting hardware much more than just graphics alone, were as AGP was specifically "accelerated graphics port".

Since servers with high end RAID cards had needs that finally exceeded the PCI-X standard (64bit PCI slots at 66MHz instead of 33), Intel and crew developed the next generation interface to help scale server needs beyond PCI-X. Amazingly, PCI-e will satisfy those server needs for a while longer yet. When those demands are no longer met, then you'll see a newer interconnect developed. Intel and others fortunately saw the potential for PCI-e to work very well in the consumer market for graphics adapters as well. This is why you see PCI-e for consumer products where as you almost never saw any PCI-X support in the consumer market previously.

Currenly I see the following trend, chipsets that support more lanes of PCI-e than before. For example, the first chipsets like nForce4 SLI supported 20 lanes, then the next gen supported 38 and so on. Servers will simply add even more lanes to allow multiple x16 RAID cards or HBA for Fiberchannel.
 
You also have to remember that with companies wanting to use GPUs for physics and other stuff, they will need all the bandwidth they can get.
 
Ah found it, December issue of Maximum PC.

PCI Express 2.0.

Doubles the speed per wire on PCI Express slot and is backwards compatible.

In other words, if you have two PCI Express slots, one original one version 2.0, and both operate at 16x, the 2.0 version would run at the equivilent of 32x due to the new pipeline.
 
Cool, When reading I found that GDDR3 for System memory is slated for mid 2008 release along with the whole AM3 socket. Which will be semi-backwards compatible. You can use an AM2 chip on an AM3 board buy not the other way around. I think, I might have got it backwards.
 
The gap between PCI-E and AGP solutions is less than 2% with both video card choices.
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I grabbed that from AnandTech's article about the ASRock 775i65G mATX motherboard, which uses an AGP 4x/8x AND a PCI-E 4x slot. In the test they used a 6800 Ultra PCI-E and AGP, and a 7600GS PCI-E and AGP.
http://www.anandtech.com/mb/showdoc.aspx?i=2814&p=3

Also, This site shows only a 3% difference between an Epox board using a 6600GT in x16 and the ASRock 775Dual in x4 (PCI-E)
http://www.ocworkbench.com/2005/asrock/reviews/775dual-915gl/b5.htm

Basically, if I was in the market for a new, cheap motherboard, I would consider the ASRock even knowing it only has a 4x slot, because 3% of 100 frames is: you guessed it, 3 frames per second.
 
Dude...that's on a 6600GT....looooooooooooooooooooooooooool

jeez...I think my pants are soaked...FU :mad:
 
VulturEMaN said:
Dude...that's on a 6600GT....looooooooooooooooooooooooooool

jeez...I think my pants are soaked...FU :mad:
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Laughing out out out out out out out out out out out out out out out out out out out out out out out out out out out out out out out out loud?

I guess my point was, even on a better card than the 7600GS, whats the difference gonna be? 5%? 8%? Whats 10% of 100 FPS? 10 frames per second. So instead of getting 100 FPS with a 16x slot you will get 90. Does anybody see what I'm trying to say yet? If 4x only makes a 10 frame difference, why would there be any need for some crazy PCI-E 32x? Why would any company make it? Unless the new CPU socket type only comes with PCI-E 32x boards, it would be a waste of money to put it out any time soon, because nothing would even kinda use it. Do you see all the people buying the PhsyX card for the 2 games that currently use it? Me neither.
 
My point is that you were comparing loss with a 6600GT. It's obvious that they wouldn't lose any power being put on a 4x slot, cause they have no power to put out. They run 8 pipes!

If you were talking something that used maybe 12 pipes, then we might have a decent slowdown. Or hey...why not 42? :p

You would see a huge slowdown.
 
Arcygenical said:
DDR3 is already out.

DDR4 will be released soon, and be fully integrated into Nvidia's 8xxx refresh.
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btw its gddr3/4 and both of them are just modified ddr2. There currently is no memory used on graphics cards that uses ddr3 archtechure it is a mutually disjoint product.
 
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