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pci-e/agp?

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Malikman

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Hey what do you think will happen in the future with pci-e and agp?? I mean what will happen to agp now that pci-e is creeping up... i'm asking becuase i'm trying to decide if i should upgader to 939 socket becuase it has pci-e and pci-e will eventually reign or if i should just upgade my agp card now and not worry about pci-e until it comes along... i'm trying to be cost effective.
 
Search, there have been numerous threads about this. If you have the money to upgrade mobo/cpu/video card at the same time, then I would go with PCIe. If ati follows nvidia's lead, the tip top of the line video cards might not be released in agp flavor, so consider that. With socket 939 you have a fairly good upgrade path for the next year or two, so it just makes sense to me not to cripple that upgradability with AGP (if you can afford a new video card at the same time).
 
i CAN but taht would be spending like about 100 for the mobo about 150 for the video card (i'm guessding) and like a TON (200) for a 3200 - 3500 :l-/ thats' like 450 dollars ... ya know it's a big upgrade compared to a 150-200 vid or something. i'nm not looking for the best but i want my games to look nice and a game a lot and usualy try the new games a little bit after there out with demos or whatever. but as i said i'm trying to be smart and not end buying something then a few months its' out.
 
your in the same situation that i am... i want to upgrade to a better rig but dont want to shell out the money for new ram, vid card, processor etc..... i think im going to be sitting on this one till the holidays and also when asus comes out with a board that likes sata...
 
athlon xp 2500+
40 gig hd
geforce fx 5200
1 gig ram
wireless nic (netgear)
dvd-rw
cd-rw
giggabyte mobo
 
I have 2 issues, I went with socket754 instead of 939 and I got APG instead of PCI-E.
If I could go back in time I would have spent the few extra bucks and bought socket939 with pci-E but I figured I'd save a few bucks and now my upgrade path is slowly closing. I have a nice APG videocard that would be PCI-E but I didn't look ahead and think I would need to upgrade it. Now I'm regretting that.
I hope you learn from my mistake and go for the PCI-E.
 
i'm just thinking upgading my video instad of going all out was my idea.. (this is a response to the man who went 754) if i did go all out i already know i'd go 939 becuase i'd get a 3200 or so and then from there go up to dual core so that would last me a few years (maybe 3) etc.
 
I'd definately get a new videocard. You don't need anything insane like a 7800 to run half life 2. Hell , my crap ass 6200 runs half life 2 alright. If I were you , i'd get a 6600 or a 6600 gt. That should tithe you over for awhile , after you get that card you could save a little here and there for a new system if thats what you want.
 
buy an agp card, why would you need to upgrade to pci-e right now anyways? The only reason I would upgrade to pci-e is if I knew I needed a motherboard and processor, and the pci-e version of the video card I wanted was cheaper. Just go with a 6800nu AGP (or a 9800pro even, if you are going to upgrade soon) , and wait about 6 months - a year to upgrade.
 
yea but some time... whats' the definition of that... 6 months 1 year i mean if it's under that (as an example) wouldnt' it be worth just upgading the rig.. if it's like 2-3 years yea i'll just stick with a new agp vid .. ??
 
The pci-e option seems a lot more friendly for future upgrades but agp isn't dead, expect agp versions for ati's new cores.
 
well i'd get a nvidia card anyways but still... the question is... how long until agp does die.
 
tornadotsunamilife said:
Well it's unclear because ati seem to be still supporting it but nvidia haven't suggested one for G7x core.
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no speculations?
 
Malikman said:
athlon xp 2500+
40 gig hd
geforce fx 5200
1 gig ram
wireless nic (netgear)
dvd-rw
cd-rw
giggabyte mobo
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Same dilema. My comp has similar specs and runs fine. I just picked up an agp 6800 nu (oc'ed to 400/770), my barton 2500(not mobile) + is at 3200 speeds (200 fsb = 2.21 ghz), and i have 1 gig of ram. WIth those specs i play bf2 with everything high except textures(medium) at about 55 fps. I figure if i got another gig of ram i could bump that up to all high and 60 fps. My friend has a similar system... xp 2500(mobile @ 2.3 ghz), 6600gt(oced to 600/1100 or so) but he just updraded to 2 gig of mushkin ram. In bf2, he has everything high except medium textures, and gets about 60 fps.

So, upgrading just your vid card would allow you to play pretty much any current game. Heres my recommendation: If youre only looking to spend around 200, pick up an AGP 6800 and grab a zalman fan for it if you can spare the adjacent pci slot. I highly recommend the fan because it dropped my gpu temp 10 C and allowed me to get 65 mhz more out of my gpu than i could without it.


My other concern: what power supply are you running? If you are getting a new vid card, you might need to upgrade your psu if it is weak...
 
well yea i could do that but then pci-e is coming in is MY CONCERN and shooting out agp so i mean it'll end me up upgading soon if you think bout it you know? so why buy a new agp video card you know?? thats' what i'm concerned about.. i'm trying to find the best way to spend money so i dont' waste any like if i got an agp card and pci-e butts in in 6mo to a year then i'd have wasted that money for the card becuase i'll need to ugpade... since like the games are getting crazy these days with specs (fear and some other 2005-06 games look crazy)
 
Malikman said:
... i'm trying to be cost effective.
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My recommendation was for if you REALLY want to be cost efficient. You can still get good performance with what i suggested...but its ultimately up to you. If you dont want to feel trapped by having an agp card and being limited to an agp board and are really concerned about upgrading potential, then go pcie... Another option to note - you could get an agp card now, save your money until you really want to go with 939 and sell your agp card.

By the way, you still didnt mention your psu.
 
not sure about my psu yet here i'll look now.. looking ... opening case.. being very careful i dont' touch anything :p it's probably some shitty ass psu with the case antec 350W not sure about much else can't see well in there modle:sl350
 
rgratto2 said:
My recommendation was for if you REALLY want to be cost efficient. You can still get good performance with what i suggested...but its ultimately up to you. If you dont want to feel trapped by having an agp card and being limited to an agp board and are really concerned about upgrading potential, then go pcie... Another option to note - you could get an agp card now, save your money until you really want to go with 939 and sell your agp card.

By the way, you still didnt mention your psu.
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oh and i have good performance really CSS,DOom 3 hl2 and bf2 all run fine for me but i mean i'm just thinking of future gaming etc. and i'll need to uprade i'm sure and i would like a new gfx card becuase as you can tell mine's ok but not great ... but with pci-e bumpbing out ya know :-/
 
Well...its really up to your budget. Antecs are usually pretty reliable, but id say it depends on how nice of a card youre looking to get.
 
hauntedfury said:
AGP is here to stay.......at least for some time
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Not in the high end and certainly not in the mainstream. Most of the PC's you'll find in the retail stores today are PCI-Express based.

AGP is dying and no wishfull thinking will change that. Buying AGP is buying into the past. Leaving little to no upgrade path.
 
Malikman said:
Hey what do you think will happen in the future with pci-e and agp?? I mean what will happen to agp now that pci-e is creeping up... i'm asking becuase i'm trying to decide if i should upgader to 939 socket becuase it has pci-e and pci-e will eventually reign or if i should just upgade my agp card now and not worry about pci-e until it comes along... i'm trying to be cost effective.
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I'm going to ignore all the other responses for this one...

Do the math man. PCI-E has been built to overcome most, if not all of the shortcomings of the PCI bus. The AGP bus is an enhanced part of the PCI bus thus it succumbs to much of its weaknesses.

PCI-E has been created to make use of independant channels to send and recieve data for which up to 16 have been used thus far. In reality however there is no video card and CPU combo that can make use of even four of those lanes to their fullest. At this point in time AGP 8x doesn't do much better than AGP 4x...we're talking less than 5% margin most of the time. You can see where this is going.

PCI-E is essentially worthless at the moment however all technologies need a starting point and this is where it's at for PCI-E. Where PCI-E will make a real impact is when mobos are out there that are all PCI-E and there are no legacy PCI services running. With this kind of motherboard you'd also have add in cards that are PCI-E as well. So for things like the Creative Labs sound cards that are PCI bus hogs you won't run into those issues.
 
Another thing i thought of: what card are you planning on getting? If youre planning on getting a 6800 nu, going agp wouldnt be too bad of an idea because they are A. cheaper and B. you have the potential to unlock 4 extra pipelines. The PCI-E 6800 nu's can Never unlock extra pipelines.

Just a thought.
 
well i don't overclock much but i might if i get better cooling but idk what are pricse on the good cards these days... AGP i'm thinking about it.
 
If you want to play everything with maximum settings, then upgrade your mobo to 939/PCIE.

For now if you can't spend too much money, get GeForce 6 series card and use that for a while. You will see a huge difference in gaming over your FX5200. It should be good for a long time until you need to upgrade again. Maybe next time you will need to go with PCIE.
 
I can pay for it but the thing is i don't like seeing a 600 dollar dent into my banik account at once.... and that's really the only reason i dont' go pci-e i have the money in my bank but i don't like seeing dents... also i'm truly trying to ask myself... do i need that... i don't want maximum i just want say medium but i'm not sure fi i should go 6xxxx since in say a year i'll need to go pic-e anyways ya know?
 
You, for sure, will be fine with a XFX 6800 128MB AGP since it's $165 dollars. That is really a good price for its performance. It has to run today's games flawlessly for 1024x768 and some at 1280x1024 (CSS and BF2) :) I'm actually looking forward to buying this card soon.
 
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