PC vs. MAC - Vista

MrGuvernment said:
mm, i guess i meant it that OSX is so secure and tight because Apple decides who can do what and what it will allow in or not, leaving it with a considerably smaller base to support for hardware, where as windows... well, you know the almost unlimited possible hardware configurations you can buy / put together.
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The amount of hardware it works with has no real impact on the security of the operating system. They're two different problems. Shoddy drivers and shoddy hardware is indeed one of the primary causes of instability in Windows, but it doesn't mean you get hacked more easily. I'm pretty sure Mac OS X would be a lot more unstable if it had to run on crap hardware, but it wouldn't be less secure.
 
OSX has been on a closed platform for years. You can add some hardware but it has to have Mac compatable drivers (i.e. Vid cards, Sound cards, etc) or the stuff that generally doesn't need special drivers (i.e. Hard drives, memory). Its not so much crap hardware...Windows is designed to run on millions and millions of combinations of hardware. Then you have OSX which is (still) on a closed platform. I would think if Windows was on a closed platform, we wouldn't have as much bashing as we do. Frankly if you have a software company making an OS that can handle as much hardware as it does (1.5 million drivers alone in Vista), thats an accomplishment in itself.

If you wanna say OSX doesn't crash as much as Windows does...then that better be true. You have hardware that you pick and choose to work with your OS. That means it better fuckin work. There isn't any excuse for crashes. And if thats how you have to advertise your platform being better than the other, it doesn't really make sense.
 
markt435 said:
OSX has been on a closed platform for years. You can add some hardware but it has to have Mac compatable drivers (i.e. Vid cards, Sound cards, etc) or the stuff that generally doesn't need special drivers (i.e. Hard drives, memory). Its not so much crap hardware...Windows is designed to run on millions and millions of combinations of hardware. Then you have OSX which is (still) on a closed platform. I would think if Windows was on a closed platform, we wouldn't have as much bashing as we do. Frankly if you have a software company making an OS that can handle as much hardware as it does (1.5 million drivers alone in Vista), thats an accomplishment in itself.

If you wanna say OSX doesn't crash as much as Windows does...then that better be true. You have hardware that you pick and choose to work with your OS. That means it better fuckin work. There isn't any excuse for crashes. And if thats how you have to advertise your platform being better than the other, it doesn't really make sense.
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What? :confused:

You need Windows-compatible drivers for hardware in Windows, just like you need Mac-compatible ones in OS X. The only real difference is that Windows has more drivers available, since there is a bigger market for it.
 
You two are both saying basically the same things, yanno. Just wanted to offer a perspective on it from outside... almost the exact same thing. :p
 
Well, my point is that Windows wasn't really designed to run on more hardware than any other OS; it's just happened because people write drivers for it.
 
wow, check out the mac zealots on the comments on those vids. crazy people.
 
Black Morty Rackham said:
A couple of years ago, my girlfriend's mom wanted to show me something funny on some website. Some ActiveX thing popped up, and she clicked "ok" so fast that I didn't even have time to read the first paragraph. :rolleyes:

It's not faulty software that makes a machine unsecure; it's faulty users. I don't see how this will change with Vista.
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QFT
 
Black Morty Rackham said:
A couple of years ago, my girlfriend's mom wanted to show me something funny on some website. Some ActiveX thing popped up, and she clicked "ok" so fast that I didn't even have time to read the first paragraph. :rolleyes:

It's not faulty software that makes a machine unsecure; it's faulty users. I don't see how this will change with Vista.
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maybe you ought to set her up as NOT an admin, eh?
 
the general populace is just going to ok everything with uac on like they have been ok'ing it for years every time a dialog pops up in XP. Thinking vista is going to solve that situation is laughable.
 
Black Morty Rackham said:
What? :confused:

You need Windows-compatible drivers for hardware in Windows, just like you need Mac-compatible ones in OS X. The only real difference is that Windows has more drivers available, since there is a bigger market for it.
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The real diff is there is more hardware for your PC then MAC, because MAC is closed platform. Apple decides what goes into their comps, and who writes the drivers, as said above if windows said, okay, you can only buy an x1900 or x1900XT, but no x800 pro's or 9800 Pro's or x1300 or radeon 7500's.... then fine, that is a hella lot less compatibility issues that can conflict and kill your os.

a while back i checked AT';s site, since their first cards i think mac had like 17 total cards to choose from - PC had over 50.

thas alot of diff hardware to write drivers for.
 
MrGuvernment said:
Apple decides what goes into their comps, and who writes the drivers, as said above if windows said, okay, you can only buy an x1900 or x1900XT, but no x800 pro's or 9800 Pro's or x1300 or radeon 7500's.... then fine, that is a hella lot less compatibility issues that can conflict and kill your os.
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That's not how it works at all. ANYONE can write drivers for Mac OS X, just like with Windows. It works basically the same way: someone makes a piece of hardware, and they write some drivers for it. The only difference is that Windows gets a lot more attention in the driver department, since the market is a lot bigger.

The reason you can't buy a Mac version of this or that hardware isn't that Apple said "oh no, we don't want your cheesy hardware"; it's that the hardware mfg simply decided against spending the money on Mac drivers.
 
Nope not with bootcamp around. Only if MAC is not too expensive and allows greater upgradeability in the hardware department. It will totally win me over. At this time, buying new hardware is a pita and you have to endured dated graphic cards with your "old mac" where else your friends are drooling over a 8800GT or 9950GT.
 
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