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Passed CCNA

Captain Colonoscopy said:
Yah, his stories are the best. :)
<--- A+, Net+, MCP, MCSA:2000 and now CCNA

Mitzi wants me to write a letter explaining why they need more class time for the ICND class and suggestions for additional cisco gear for individual students. Apparently they've been having difficulty getting their students to pass and complaints of insufficient courseware. Admittedly, I felt ripped off until I retook the class because I had to spend so much money and time on things that were not included in the class. I figure the second time around I got my money's worth because I actually understood what was going on.

How did you like the CEH class? I thought it sounded fun. Network security is something that I find fascinating.
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The CEH class was extreamly fun. Its got the same problem as the ICND class though - too much info to cover in a week. We went through 3 3-ring binders (about 1500 pages) in 4 1/2 days so I felt like I was given knowledge a mile wide, but only an inch deep (the last 1/2 day is the exam). I think thats the intention though. Some of the tools are extreamly useful and I definatly learned some new tricks that I brought back to work with me.

Do you know, does Britt still have the CEH group get together for monthly meetings? He was big on it during the class, but since then I haven't heard anything about them getting together. Of course I also haven't been back to NH lately.

 
millhouse said:
Ummm yeah it does. You now have to be a CCNP to take this test.
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Not to continue the threadjack, but:
Becoming a CCIE requires passing a set of exams
There are no formal prerequisites for CCIE certification. Other professional certifications and/or specific training courses are not required. Instead, candidates are expected to have an in-depth understanding of the subtleties, intricacies and challenges of end-to-end networking. You are strongly encouraged to have 3-5 years of job experience before attempting certification. To obtain your CCIE, you must first pass a written qualification exam and then a corresponding hands-on lab exam.
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From Cisco's CCIE page
 
Party2go9820 said:
The CEH class was extreamly fun. Its got the same problem as the ICND class though - too much info to cover in a week. We went through 3 3-ring binders (about 1500 pages) in 4 1/2 days so I felt like I was given knowledge a mile wide, but only an inch deep (the last 1/2 day is the exam). I think thats the intention though. Some of the tools are extreamly useful and I definatly learned some new tricks that I brought back to work with me.

Do you know, does Britt still have the CEH group get together for monthly meetings? He was big on it during the class, but since then I haven't heard anything about them getting together. Of course I also haven't been back to NH lately.

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I don't know if he's still doing that or not. They just set up some on-line live study crap there and he's been preparing for his first live class for the last couple weeks. I guess he was pretty worked up over that, that's what Mitzi said anyway. I'm supposed to be going back in sometime in a week or so so I can freshen up on my windows 2000 crap. I'd just do it at home but I don't want to screw up everything I have setup now with 2003 and all my folding boxen. :)

Dyersville, huh? Play on the field at all? :) I did once when I was like ten or something. :D
 
SYN ACK said:
ccie isn't something you can just *study* for

you better have wicked years of exp. under your belt before flying down there and taking it
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Agreed, I had 10 years of experience before I took it and it was still extremely hard.
 
going to take the 1st half of the ccna today, hopefully i do well, not really sure what to expect out of the test, cisco likes to throw curveball questions
 
usualpulp said:
going to take the 1st half of the ccna today, hopefully i do well, not really sure what to expect out of the test, cisco likes to throw curveball questions
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Good luck on it - just make sure you know your subnetting!
 
well that went a lot worse than expected, so much for splitting the test up into 2 parts, guess ill try again and take the entire exam at once after i finish my classes
 
ktwebb said:
lol. pathetic
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Ok, smart one. Answer this:

Code: 
Simple Server Redundancy Protocol (SSRP) is used in what type of environment?

    * A) Ethernet
    * B) LANE
    * C) Token Ring
    * D) Both a and c
 
I think I'm going to get some more real world experience before I start studying for the CCNP. I need a break from studying as well. I've been working 50 hours a week, studying/going to class and trying to be a husband/father for over a year now. I'm tired. :p
 
Captain Colonoscopy said:
I think I'm going to get some more real world experience before I start studying for the CCNP. I need a break from studying as well. I've been working 50 hours a week, studying/going to class and trying to be a husband/father for over a year now. I'm tired. :p
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Pansy ;)

 
I am about to embark on my CCNA path. I have Cisco's publication and two routers at home and I am going to get a switch shortly. For those of you who are certified what would you recommend to help make the process easier? I am not talking give me answers just tips that you would have done different while studying and doing the labs if that makes any sense. Thanks!

Also congrats Captain on achieving your CCNA :cool:
 
DragonNOA1 said:
^Way to hijack a thread. You want a tip. Practice until you dream IOS.
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I don't mind. :)

Party2go9820 said:
Pansy ;)
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Thanks :D

Taje- Study everything you can get your hands on, do the testking practice tests, figure out how to do everything they talk about in the books with your routers and switch. Then do everything again and again, for about 3 months. That should take care of it. :)
 
Captain Colonoscopy said:
....do the testking practice tests
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WTF?

Testking is the test answers. Testking does not prepare you for real world experience. Testking gives you the real answers to real test questions so you can braindump the information to pass the test. Studying their material will not help you in the real world.

Testking and places like them are the reason why there are so many paper certs out there. Ever wonder why MCSE's are a dime a dozen now? Wonder why entry level MCSE's are being offered half of what they were a few years back? Wonder why no one respects certs in general anymore?

Beacause of cheaters and lame ass cheater sites like Testking.


Now unless you have been at your job 10 years and all of a sudden your company mandates that you be certified, then I could understand using Testking, but 99% of the people who use them are not in that situation.

You guys are in for a rude awakening when you get in the field.
 
I got my CCNA in highschool a few years back, it was an offered course there.... not too bad, I hardly ever use any of it, since I am studying to become an EE anyways...

Too hard to get a decent job working on computers nowadays..

Congrats though, Ver 3.0 is leaps and bounds beyond the older version, and it did take me some mega studying to pass the exam. Since my first year compromised of Ver 2 and then I had a bridge class from 2 to 3 in my second year of study. Luckily in high school they give you hands on training with plenty of computers, routers and switches since its hosted by Cisco itself.
 
PawNtheSandman said:
WTF?

Testking is the test answers. Testking does not prepare you for real world experience. Testking gives you the real answers to real test questions so you can braindump the information to pass the test. Studying their material will not help you in the real world.

Testking and places like them are the reason why there are so many paper certs out there. Ever wonder why MCSE's are a dime a dozen now? Wonder why entry level MCSE's are being offered half of what they were a few years back? Wonder why no one respects certs in general anymore?

Beacause of cheaters and lame ass cheater sites like Testking.


Now unless you have been at your job 10 years and all of a sudden your company mandates that you be certified, then I could understand using Testking, but 99% of the people who use them are not in that situation.

You guys are in for a rude awakening when you get in the field.
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Whoa!!! Slow down there. Maybe I should have gone into more detail in my recommendation of studying TestKing stuff. I did not mean to imply that a person should sit there and study testking braindumps for 3 months merely to pass the exam. What I meant to say was I found studying the testking questions to be beneficial because they are representative of what's on the test. The first time I took the test I did not review any testking crap, I did the transcender practice exams and repeatedly did the labs and test questions on the Cisco CCNA Prep center website. I also had my lab set up in my home where I tried to set up all the different routing protocols, vlans, vtp and that crap. I also read the Cisco books that I recieved in my class religiously. I had no idea what to expect when I took the exam the first time. I was devoting my time to the different routing protocols, vlsm and ISDN terminology since those were the topics I didn't think I was strong on. I got myself to the point where I could configure a router or switch to do pretty much whatever I wanted. So then I took the test and failed by two questions. I was completely unprepared for the exam because it dealt almost entirely with switching, vtp, vlans, stp and a little eigrp and vlsm for good measure. After my failure I retook my cisco class and heard about testking from one of the other students and decided to check it out. Yes, I discovered that the testking questions are remarkably similar to what is on the exam. I did not sit down and memorize all the answers nor do I endorse doing so, it is counter-productive. I learned about what I need to know. It was then a matter of answering the question to what I thought was right. If I answered wrong, figure out why I was wrong by researching the topic in the book or on cisco.com and learning it. I do understand Cisco IOS and how to get things networked. I also understand that there is a little ? and tab completion to help out the people in the real world that don't remember every stupid command. I understand it is one thing to say you are a CCNA, it is another thing entirely to actually be able to setup and administer Cisco devices. I did not pay good money and devote months of my time to get some letters after my name and expect to just get a job without knowing anything. I actually enjoy doing this crap, this is what I want to do, I desire to know it.


 
Plain and simple, Testking is cheating. No way to defend it or justify using it unless you are one of those people who have had the job for years and now your company mandates you get certs.
 
Captain Colonoscopy said:
I just passed my CCNA today! Sorry, just had to let someone know, my wife doesn't really get it. :)
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I took CCNA for 1 semester.

Holy fucking shit, was that the most inconceivably boring thing I have ever EVER endured to this date.

Failed every test. I... I... but... Umm... Its just so dry and boring.

Good for you. Anyone who can voluntarily sit through the full CCNA course.... Wow..
 
Captain Colonoscopy said:
I don't mind. :)


Thanks :D

Taje- Study everything you can get your hands on, do the testking practice tests, figure out how to do everything they talk about in the books with your routers and switch. Then do everything again and again, for about 3 months. That should take care of it. :)
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Thank you very much!! I apologize if that was hijacking your thread but I figured it was on the similar topic and you had the experience.


DragonNOA1 I could see how it would seem that way but that was not my intention so get over it.
 
PawNtheSandman said:
Plain and simple, Testking is cheating. No way to defend it or justify using it unless you are one of those people who have had the job for years and now your company mandates you get certs.
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I can see where you are coming from but I don't see it as cheating if you use it as a tool to actually learn and not just memorize answers. I don't really see how you could memorize the answers for the ccna exam without actually learning something anyway, its a lot different than a Microsoft cert.

Your are entitled to you your opinion and I am entitled to mine. I do not feel I cheated to get my CCNA. I studied hard and took the time to learn the technology hands on in my home lab and at the school lab. End of topic.

 
PawNtheSandman said:
Plain and simple, Testking is cheating. No way to defend it or justify using it unless you are one of those people who have had the job for years and now your company mandates you get certs.
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Nah, utilizing the TestKing stuff is just like the real world. If you've got a problem you're struggeling with, you do some research and you find the answers. I've never had a boss who told me I could only use the information that was in my head and looking in a book/on the internet/talking to friends was cheating.

You want certs to resemble real life - then make them open book. The other side of this is that now the test questions are 3x as hard and are all essay type questions - no multiple choice. Now we're starting to simulate real world. Never had a boss come up to me and ask me a question and then give me 4 choices, one of which is correct. (Wish I did though! :))

Knowing the environment Captain learned his stuff in, I would have no problem hiring him based on his skill set. (He might be a lazy slob, but I'll bet he's a smart lazy slob ;))

 
Taje said:
DragonNOA1 I could see how it would seem that way but that was not my intention so get over it.
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I'm over it, thanks. :p :) :cool: Have a good day.

I did at least give you a tip, no?
 
DragonNOA1 said:
I'm over it, thanks. Have a good day.

I did at least give you a tip, no?
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Yes even though it hurts to admit it :p Next time I will start a new thread. Have a great one :D
 
bob said:
I took CCNA for 1 semester.

Holy fucking shit, was that the most inconceivably boring thing I have ever EVER endured to this date.

Failed every test. I... I... but... Umm... Its just so dry and boring.

Good for you. Anyone who can voluntarily sit through the full CCNA course.... Wow..
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I too took the first semister, it ends right before you get to VLANS, Access lists, etc. I do agree that it was rather boring, a lot of it has to do with the basics, whats a cat5 cable, TCP/IP history, the "I already fucking know that" type of stuff. But you should have stayed for the second semister... oh wait... you actually failed the tests in the first semister?? :p
 
Captain Colonoscopy said:
slob, yes, lazy no. :)

So you want to hire me then? :D

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Assuming you want to work lots of hours, for peanuts with mega responsibilites and tons of stress. You're Hired! :cool:

Oh, and don't expect to use the company's PC's for Folding@home.




I've already done that
 
Congrats!

TestKing is only cheating if you use it to memorize answers to pass an exam. I would think that would be hard to do on the CCNA exam given it's difficulty anyways... you would HAVE to know theory, hands on stuff well to pass. (I can't imagine trying to memorize 700+ TestKing questions anyways lol)

I know there are purists out there, but I don't know any peron in IT with CCNA or MCSE that didn't use Transcender, TestKing, or somthing like them.

Each to their own, if you don't agree with them don't use them. Let the people who use them to memorize answers instead of study make fools of themselves once they get hired. *shrug* We can't do anything about it anways.
 
Serious thread resurection... but I am CCNA and A+, and about 1 week away from finishing CCNP, and I have only used the cisco press or A+ books, the CDs that came with them, and my own home hardware.
 
i use everything/anything i see fit to pass the tests and not waste money retaking them... I think I've taken almost 20 certification exams and never failed any of them, w00t!
 
I got my CCNP 2 years ago, and I landed a $65k/yr job!!! (8yrs exp. too)

I'm now going for the ultimate.... CCIE
 
Well I read somewhere that testking exams are worth looking at since you have to know "how" to take a cisco exam, much like practice exams for the SAT.

I think memorizing the answers may be a test ripped from a braindump site, unless the test king exam I found was a stolen test still being used. In that case.... well... I fell victim.
 
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