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mattiaslarsson99

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Can someone please help me find more info on this processor: Intel Pentium 4 Extreme Edition HT Teknologi [3.73 GHz/1066MHz FSB/2MB Cache, EM64T].

I will get it in a few weeks and I can´t find any testresults. So any info would be great. I have only found info about the 3,46 GHz extreme edition.
 
mattiaslarsson99 said:
Can someone please help me find more info on this processor: Intel Pentium 4 Extreme Edition HT Teknologi [3.73 GHz/1066MHz FSB/2MB Cache, EM64T].

I will get it in a few weeks and I can´t find any testresults. So any info would be great. I have only found info about the 3,46 GHz extreme edition.
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i dont even think this processor is out yet. and its technology by the way
 
Redefined said:
what do you mean? did u buy one?


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Yes, I bought the following system:

PROCESSOR Intel® Pentium® 4 Xtreme med HT Teknologi [3.73 GHz/1066MHz FSB/2MB Cache, EM64T]
CHIPSET Intel® 925XE
RAM 2048 MB DDR2 [ 533MHz, 4X512MB ]
HD 500 GB SATA/RAID 0 [ 2 x 250GB 7200 rpm med 8 MB DataBurst-® cache ]
Dell 256MB USB Memory key
16xDVD
16xDVD+/-RW “dual layer”
256MB ATI Radeon™ X850XT Platinum Edition med DVI/VGA/TV-Out,PCI express™X16
Creative Labs Sound Blaster® Audigy ™ 2 ZS (7.1) (Dell) med IEEE 1394*
MODEM Internt V.92 Data/Fax
Gigabit NIC
CHASSI Tower
491 (höjd) mm x 221 mm (bredd) x 488 mm (djup)
4 PCI, 1 PCI-E x 1, 1 PCI-E x 16
3 st 5,25” platser
3 st 3,5” (HDD)
MAX RAM 4 GB [DDR2, 533Mhz PC2-4200]
4 st DIMM platser
PORTAR 8 USB 2.0 varav två i front, 1 st seriell, 1 st parallel, 1 st RJ45, 1 st Integrerat Firewire - IEEE1394 varav en i front, Integrerat Raid 0/1
Dell 5650 5.1
Dell 2005FPW
Dell TrueMobile 2350
Maxtor OneTouch II 200GB

It will be delivered to me end of March in Sweden.
 
I don´t think that you can compare the cost here in Sweden to what it would cost in for example the USA. I paid 13000 Skr, around 1850 USD, but this is a special offer that my employer gives me. It is delievered from Dell. It would normaly cost around 50000 Skr, around 7150 USD. So its a great deal eventhough its delievered from Dell. :D (Dell XPS)
 
You do know that this is supposed to be slower then the 3.46ghz because its a prescott and not a northwood right?
 
Gavinni said:
You do know that this is supposed to be slower then the 3.46ghz because its a prescott and not a northwood right?
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the new EE chip will be slower htan the curret one?
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your logic baffles me

newsflash: EE's arent northwoods, they are gallatins. if they go to a 9u process with the new EE, it wont be codenamed prescott
 
tornadotsunamilife said:
at the same speeds yes northwood is faster than prescott but i think this is a different core.
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it is a differnt core... thats what i just said.. and in any case...

You do know that this is supposed to be slower then the 3.46ghz because its a prescott and not a northwood right?
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i guess you are talking about prescotts longer pipeline and northwoods stronger IPC? well, northwood does not have that much of an advantage of presscott. sure, at 3.4ghz on both of htem hte NW will outbench it marginally... but at 3.8 the pressy will beat it out, and it will rape it if the NW is clocked slower.

yes, intel has a crazy strategy making newer chips faster, i dont understand it myself...
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Gavinni said:
You do know that this is supposed to be slower then the 3.46ghz because its a prescott and not a northwood right?
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another reason why you are wrong is because this one will have 2mb's of L2 cache, as apposed to only .5megs of L2 and 2megs of L3 on the older one. L2 cache is way faster then L3.

You know what would be really wicked? A cpu with 2megs of L1 cache. That would be amazing
 
We used to hear that at 3.6mhz, the pressy pulls ahead of the nw. Now we heasr that at 3.8mhz, the pressy pulls ahead. Reading these statements leads one, such as I, to believe that there is some type of scaling going on here, but in fact, when it was said that the pressy pulled ahead at 3.6, the fastest stock northwood was what, 3.4? And now that the fastest nw is something higher than (I have no idea what the fastest stock nw is now) 3.4, the equation suddenly changes?

Really, I do think that a 3.0 pressy will always be slower than a 3.0 nw, and a 3.0 pressy oc'd to 3.7 will always be slower than a 3.0 nw oc'd to 3.7. IMHO, the pressy is a mistake by Intel. Not a terrible mistake had they been able to quickly follow through with the mega-high clockrates they thought they were going to get out of it, but lacking those speeds, SSE3 is the only redeeming factor, but not sure how redeeming that is, at the moment.
 
Slammin said:
Really, I do think that a 3.0 pressy will always be slower than a 3.0 nw, and a 3.0 pressy oc'd to 3.7 will always be slower than a 3.0 nw oc'd to 3.7. IMHO, the pressy is a mistake by Intel. Not a terrible mistake had they been able to quickly follow through with the mega-high clockrates they thought they were going to get out of it, but lacking those speeds, SSE3 is the only redeeming factor, but not sure how redeeming that is, at the moment.
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we arent talking about a 3.0E vs a 3.0C at 3.7ghz. we are talking about a 3.73ghz EE chip on the 90nm process vs a 2.46 on the 130nm process.

i agree that prescott is a mistake, in fact i think the entire netburst architechture was a mistake. however, this is not the thread to argue that in.
 
mattiaslarsson99 said:
I don´t think that you can compare the cost here in Sweden to what it would cost in for example the USA. I paid 13000 Skr, around 1850 USD, but this is a special offer that my employer gives me. It is delievered from Dell. It would normaly cost around 50000 Skr, around 7150 USD. So its a great deal eventhough its delievered from Dell. :D (Dell XPS)
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Amazing system and a killer price!

I envy you :p
 
lithium726 said:
we arent talking about a 3.0E vs a 3.0C at 3.7ghz. we are talking about a 3.73ghz EE chip on the 90nm process vs a 2.46 on the 130nm process.

i agree that prescott is a mistake, in fact i think the entire netburst architechture was a mistake. however, this is not the thread to argue that in.
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But you are propagating the same myth that I was sold on, which incidently is the reason I myself "upgraded" from a 2.8C to a 3.0E. No matter how you spin it, a pressy cannot be/get faster than a northwood. Not meaning to argue, but this is what you said:

"well, northwood does not have that much of an advantage of presscott. sure, at 3.4ghz on both of htem hte NW will outbench it marginally... but at 3.8 the pressy will beat it out, and it will rape it if the NW is clocked slower."

It was statements like that, that made me buy a pressy :eek:

My 3.0E is slower @ 3.8 than my 2.8C is @ 3.7. In everyday use, the difference really is marginal, but in benchmarks, the nw toasts the pressy pretty good. Just saying that getting a pressy can almost never be considered an upgrade, even if the pressy has a higher clock rate.
 
well, ive heard otherwise, obvoiusly you have first hand experience.. i dont, im an AMD guy :p

im just goin on what ive been told/ whats been said here
 
Slammin said:
But you are propagating the same myth that I was sold on, which incidently is the reason I myself "upgraded" from a 2.8C to a 3.0E. No matter how you spin it, a pressy cannot be/get faster than a northwood. Not meaning to argue, but this is what you said:

"well, northwood does not have that much of an advantage of presscott. sure, at 3.4ghz on both of htem hte NW will outbench it marginally... but at 3.8 the pressy will beat it out, and it will rape it if the NW is clocked slower."

It was statements like that, that made me buy a pressy :eek:

My 3.0E is slower @ 3.8 than my 2.8C is @ 3.7. In everyday use, the difference really is marginal, but in benchmarks, the nw toasts the pressy pretty good. Just saying that getting a pressy can almost never be considered an upgrade, even if the pressy has a higher clock rate.
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Not sure where I read it, I believe it was anandtech, but I read that past 3.4ghz, prescotts are faster then northwoods clock for clock. This is because of the extra cache finally making up for the branch prediction misses at that speed. Are you sure you benched it correctly?
 
Only going by my Sandra benches. I'd imagine that if I used some other bench that did something that was so repetitious where there would be no, or few prediction failures, the larger cache on the pressy would really start getting used and probably would show much better results. I'm not saying anyone should feel bad about getting a pressy, the heat 'issue' has never been an issue for me, and in real world use, I really cannot tell the difference between the two when at the same clock speeds.

Really, when you think about it, one way to increase clock speed would be to decrease the number of operations per clock. Increasing the pipeline does do that, but at the expense of efficiency, especially when you cannot regain what was lost by upping the clock speed, as was planned. I think it was a marketing-driven error, and really cannot understand why anyone could even think that going from 20 step pipeline to a 31 step pipeline could be good. Granted, there may be some improvements in branch prediction and the additional cache helps on the E, but w/o the MHZ advantage, a pressy will not be faster than a northwood.
 
Slammin said:
Really, when you think about it, one way to increase clock speed would be to decrease the number of operations per clock. Increasing the pipeline does do that, but at the expense of efficiency, especially when you cannot regain what was lost by upping the clock speed, as was planned. I think it was a marketing-driven error, and really cannot understand why anyone could even think that going from 20 step pipeline to a 31 step pipeline could be good. Granted, there may be some improvements in branch prediction and the additional cache helps on the E, but w/o the MHZ advantage, a pressy will not be faster than a northwood.
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this is exactly why i think the entire p4 line was a mistake. what good are mhz if you are doing it with low IPC?
 
lithium726 said:
this is exactly why i think the entire p4 line was a mistake. what good are mhz if you are doing it with low IPC?
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Ah well, personally I'm finally fed up, running a 1700+ JIUHB at 2.4GHz as my temp rig now, and moving to an A64 in the next couple months to get back into benching.....sooner or later everyone realises the truth, for some it just takes longer. ;)
 
Slammin said:
Granted, there may be some improvements in branch prediction and the additional cache helps on the E, but w/o the MHZ advantage, a pressy will not be faster than a northwood.
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And without the Prescott, there would be no MHz advantage. Eventually, the clock advantage of the Prescott vs the Northwood will make it faster. In the end, Intel has a faster CPU in its hands.

However, I'm not arguing that the P3 line should not have been continued as a desktop processer a la the P-M. As we can see, the P-M has a higher performance ceiling when overclocked using current production techniques.
 
Ok, thankyou for all the respons. Alot of talk about prescott and NW but I came to the conlusion that mine is niether, is that right? That it is a Gallatine? :confused: And were does that fit in performancewise? Is it better or worse or is it and endless discussion like pressy/NW?
Hope you can clear this for me. Although it doesn´t really matter, I have already bought it but it would be nice to know.

Sadly we didn´t have the oppertunity to choose 2405 but I think the deal is ok anyway.

Thanks again for all the input.

/Mattias
 
One thing I laugh about with the newer LGA775 P4EE's is the fact that because they're running at a higher default FSB, the multiplier is ridiculously low.....as low as 14 on the 3.73GHz chip. a 14 multiplier on a 3.73GHz CPU means that you'd have to hit an FSB of 286 just to hit 4GHz.....which is pathetically stupid.....a horrible chip to try and overclock any great deal. CPU's running on the higher 1066 (266) FSB are gonna have to scale WAY up in clock speeds before they're even gonna be worth LOOKING at for any overclocking.....because telling an intel user that they have to be running their system at 300FSB to gain 500MHz out of this 3.7GHz chip is ridiculous.....especially when you can buy a 3.6GHz LGA775 Pressy, and hit that same 4.2GHz mark with an FSB of about 235.

Obviously there's more to the new EE's then overclocking, but that's about all they've got going for them....is "that other stuff".....because anyone looking to overclock their system any reasonable amount is gonna be looking at other options aside from these highly expensive, anti-overclocking CPUs. :p
 
EnderW said:
nice system, shoulda waited and got a 2405fpw with it
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wait? why wait? he proboly doesent want to wait another year for only a 4inch bigger screen. *boggle*
 
mattiaslarsson99 said:
Ok, thankyou for all the respons. Alot of talk about prescott and NW but I came to the conlusion that mine is niether, is that right? That it is a Gallatine? :confused: And were does that fit in performancewise? Is it better or worse or is it and endless discussion like pressy/NW?
Hope you can clear this for me. Although it doesn´t really matter, I have already bought it but it would be nice to know.

Sadly we didn´t have the oppertunity to choose 2405 but I think the deal is ok anyway.

Thanks again for all the input.

/Mattias
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P4EE will beat a northwood or prescott at the same clock speed :)
 
Also, an update. I´ve changed the display to a Hp f2304 23" widescreen. I "only" have those two options; Dell 2005fpw 20" or HP 23". Anyone dissagre with that choise?
 
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