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Overclocking amd 5000+ black edition

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Disturbed1

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Hi! Im really a newbie on these things so i seek for help. I plan to buy this cooler : http://www.pakom.com/KatalogProizvoda/OpisProizvoda.aspx?sifra=9004004 (the page is on serbian but you can see its name and specs) so i can overclock my AMD 5000+ to its max safe.
Question: what will be my max safe overclocked speed with this cooler?
How much voltage will i need to set it to in bios?
Any tips and comments will be apreceated on overclocking this CPU.
Thanks
 
the 5000+ black edition is very easy to overclock.. the only 2 things you need to touch is the cpu multiplier and voltages.. 5000+ should do 3.5ghz a about 1.58v give or take depending on the cpu.. you do not need to touch the FSB since its multiplier unlocked.. i do not know much about that cooler.. but the brisbanes dont run to hot.. have my be-2350 @ 3ghz on stock cooling.. full load 50C (same exact processor used for the 5000+ black edition)..
 
Argh, sory for posting this... i just found nice answers on toms hardware. Anyways it saids that i can put amplifier on 16.5 (3.3ghz) but i need to set the voltage to 1.450v then. In my bios the max is 1.375 wich is realy low.
Question: Where can i get BIOS that can giv me the option of puting the voltage to 1.450v? Im using a MSI k9n neo v3 mobo
And one more thing. I never upgraded bios so what should i know and how should i do it?
 
sometimes they have an advanced voltage option.. but 1.37 is insanely low since that processor runs at 1.3v.. give me a minute to find a layout of your bios and ill be able to explain it better..


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the only thing i can suggest is updating the bios on the board and hope that it adds a voltage changer.. but as far as i can see there is no way to change the voltages.. so about your only hope is doing a slight multiplier increase.. but you should be able to do 3ghz.. 200x15 .. just start off slowly 1 multiplier at a time until it finally becomes unstable.. but im currently doing 3.05ghz on the exact same stepping as your 5000+ Black edition w/ my be-2350 except mine has a locked multiplier.. and im doing it at 1.38v so i see no reason why your blackie wont do 3ghz on stock voltages..
 
Ok.... I upgraded my bios! i dont see any difference but it says that im use the most up to date bios version. Anyways how can i put the cpu voltage at 1.450v? my max in the cpu voltage option is 1.375v as i said
 
just set the voltage to the max.. and work your way up til its unstable with the multiplier.. you probably wont hit 3.3ghz.. but 3ghz is a huge boost in performance over the stock.. trust me on that one.. its a night and day difference at 3.05ghz from 2.1ghz for my be-2350 and it will be the same with your processor..
 
On 2.6Ghz(basic speed) i had 1.328v. Now i puted 3000Ghz on 1.375v. Im gonna run prime95 to test this..............Test done after 5 min or so... Worker 2# had 1 critical error. not good. Btw. why is the temperature of core#1 bigger then core#0 by 5+ when runing prime. Is core#1=worker 2#?
 
5c difference usually means 1 core isnt working.. but its a pretty normal thing.. drop the multi to 14 and see if its stable.. if it is then you can try doing an FSB overclock just to see how much more you can push it.. may be able to get 100-150 more mhz out of it.. but i think its time to invest in a better motherboard.. am2+ overclock much nicer and also leaves you room to upgrade to phenom II if you want..
 
I am pleased to say that 3GHz on 1.35v worked great! I left prime95 over night but it gotten a bluescreen and shuted down somewhere in the night. Im sure prime was running 3 or more hours because when i went to sleep it was allready 150minutes. So... If i get +0.4GHz from upgrading Voltage by 0.025v, i should try puting it in 3.3 on 1.375. (math would say that i should go at 3.4ghz but toms hardware said that 3.3 is max safe so i dont wanna risk it :p ).
Anyways i had temperatures of 70~80c* with the open case. Thats pretty high but i plan to put the best air cooling on the cpu
 
the cpu will do 3.5ghz no problem.. it just takes a lot more voltage after 3.3ghz.. should do it around 1.58v give or take.. but id say stick with 3ghz if its stable.. the odds of you getting near 3.3ghz at under 1.4v is slim to none.. it may boot at 3.3ghz.. but no way in heck will it be stable.. i cant even get mine stable at 3.2ghz@ 1.4v.. but i will say.. your cpu BSOD and shut down because it over heated.. the max on that cpu is only 72C.. anything over that and it will start throttling.. at 80C give or take a few degrees.. it will finally force the system to shut down..
 
Thanks! now i know it shutdown cuz of overheat. It was 75 or more when i left it overnight. But im planing to get coolermaster geminII. I think its the best air cooler. Does anyone knows if i need to mount 2x120mm's on the geminII to have below 50C at prime95?
Going to put it on 3.3GHz at 1.375v! wish me luck :p
Btw. Is there some way to increase the voltage beyond 1.375v(max at bios) without changing any hardware?
Edit: Argh... Couldent bootup my pc at 3.3GHz at 1.375v. Testing 3.2GHz at 1.375(it booted obviously) :p
 
only other way would be to do the pencil mod.. you but only get maybe .01-.02v extra out of it.. its really only to help get rid of vdroop..

the 5000+ BE doesnt run all that hot.. which suprises me your having a cooling problem.. my be-2350 which is the exact same brisbane core as 5000+ Black edition is only hitting 50C full load on the stock heatsink at 3ghz.. id actually check to see if its mounted correctly.. though my case is completely setup to cool this cpu.. i dont see how your hitting 75C..
 
sirmonkey1985 said:
only other way would be to do the pencil mod.. you but only get maybe .01-.02v extra out of it.. its really only to help get rid of vdroop..

the 5000+ BE doesnt run all that hot.. which suprises me your having a cooling problem.. my be-2350 which is the exact same brisbane core as 5000+ Black edition is only hitting 50C full load on the stock heatsink at 3ghz.. id actually check to see if its mounted correctly.. though my case is completely setup to cool this cpu.. i dont see how your hitting 75C..
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The heating problem is because my pc casing is in a place where its surrounded by wood, it doesent have a decent air circulation. the back of the pc is allmoast at the end of the wall. So what im trying to say is that the pc casing is inside my desk case :p

So far my resoults: At 3.3GHz with 1.375v= Pc wont bootup! At 3.2GHz with 1.375v it creates MASS of errors in prime95 (3-4 in a second). 3.1 i didnt even try because its only 0.1GHz away from stable 3GHz. Now im tring to make it work on 800ram frekuency.(it was 667 before).
 
ahh.. gotcha.. time to kick that back panel out.. lol or cut some holes right where the fans are.. :p come on where is this [H]ard desk modding skillz at! :p
 
Well... when i was designing this pc desk i was very young and s stupid, what more i didnt knew much about pc's :p . My pc case doesent have much air to breathe from. Im thinking of modifying the PC case but i dont have any technical expiriance or tools to do it :p
Was thinking to cut a hole and mount 120mm fans on top of the case and below the power button( lower end of pc case). And about the MOBO i dont have any cash to replace it:p
Gues im stuck with it for quite some time. Is there any ways to increase the max Vcore voltage?? maybe some bios?
PS. i returned to 3GHz and puted memory at 800mhz. Ran prime and the second core reported 1 error after 8hours and the 1st core didnt detect any errors after more then 11hours. Is that good? And what do i get from clocking my Ram from 667mhz to 800mhz
 
it could become an issue with stability.. but if it did 8 hours before reporting the error.. id say as an every day system it will probably be fine.. as long as your not doing heavy long for a long period of time.. going from 667 to 800 you mostly gain memory bandwidth and loading time.. so keep it at 800 if you can..

but if you can remove the back panel or cut a hole in the back panel where your desk is at.. and mount a 120mm fan or a couple 120 mm fans to pull the hot air out from the back.. you probably could gain an extra 5C in cooling.. so probably worth a shot if you have any 120mm fans laying around.. one of my old desks i had was like the one you have probably.. and what i did was buy a cheapo laptop cooler just for the USB hook up.. ripped that out.. cut the wires.. spliced the wires from 3 120mm fans.. connected them to the usb DC converter from the laptop cooler and used the usb port to power all 3 fans.. cost me about 25 dollars for the laptop cooler and 3 120mm fans..
 
I dont really understand you with that "remove the back panel" or the whole back pannel at all. Here, i posted 2 pictures to show you the position of the case position so you can fully understand me(i "drawed" circles to show you where i would cut the hole for the fans). http://www.dropshots.com/Disturbed1#date/2009-02-16/01:09:42 and http://www.dropshots.com/Disturbed1#date/2009-02-16/01:08:49
And do you know any online store like this one: http://www.coolerguys.com/ but that can deliver to serbia if online shoping. Here where i live the pc case moding doesent allmoast exist at all, so there arent any hardware shops for it.
This is something what i would love to make http://modding.balder.prohosting.com/ but without the side moding, just the front and the top.
 
oh i see how your desk is now.. yeah those ideas might work.. if you want to put the effort into doing it.. probably would look cool.. though you might want to put the top fan a little further back so the dvd drives not in the way..
 
Again il ask :)
Is there any ways to increase the maximum limit of Vcore? In bios i can put only 1.375v max
 
probably not just the way the boards setup.. its not really an overclocker.. which suprises me since it does have a heatsink on the pwm's which would argue the fact that it would be a decent overclocking board.. since for example my 780g has no heatsink on the pwm.. but its one of the best overclocking boards for the 780g motherboards.. im guessing the boards actually designed for a oem setup and not custom built rig.. there are some windows based overclocking programs that do allow voltage changes.. but i dont think they have the ability to override what the limitations in the bios is..
only other suggestion would be if the board has an auto setting for the voltage.. trying setting it to that.. then when overclocking, hope that the bios has the ability to compensate with the voltage by increasing above 1.375v but thats about the only thing left that i can see working..
 
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