OSX is nice.

[IceDigger]

Debian own j00 allz!!!

I prefer Debian also my fine penguin friend.

 

[Wrench00]

I just ordered 840Pro Samsung 512gb and 16 gigs of ram cause the performance on the mini.. Is far to crappy with 5400rpm and 4 gigs of ram to run the vm's.

 

[blitzkommando]

Enjoy the new Mini. They're quite nice for toying around with given their size. You'll want to get TRIM Enabler too. Or you can just use the terminal, but TRIM Enabler worked great for my Intel SSD in my MBP.

But, yeah, every single time heatlesssun makes a post this song plays in my head while I read his posts. Except I hear it as raspberries instead of instruments. I am simply incapable of taking such shills seriously in any capacity.

 

[Wrench00]

Enjoy the new Mini. They're quite nice for toying around with given their size. You'll want to get TRIM Enabler too. Or you can just use the terminal, but TRIM Enabler worked great for my Intel SSD in my MBP.

But, yeah, every single time heatlesssun makes a post this song plays in my head while I read his posts. Except I hear it as raspberries instead of instruments. I am simply incapable of taking such shills seriously in any capacity.

Thanks for the tip I am awaiting for my disk doubler kit from owc and cloning software. For now I will just run with the 16gb of ram.

840PRO SSD 512 GB, yummy.

 

[Wrench00]

Holy Crap this thing is a little beast. I have like a 2 seconds boot time now. VM working great as well.

 

[mope54]

edit your fstab so the drives are mounted noatime, too

with 16gb of ram you'll either want to turn off sleep and delete the image or limit the size of it

 

[elzeus]

Try out hyperdock it adds the windows snap feature and some nice dock previews.

 

[Wrench00]

edit your fstab so the drives are mounted noatime, too

with 16gb of ram you'll either want to turn off sleep and delete the image or limit the size of it

Says that Lion has fstab deprecated. Whats this do?

 

[mope54]

Says that Lion has fstab deprecated. Whats this do?

what says that fstab is deprecated? copy/paste what makes you think that so I can see

anyway, atime is an attribute that is written to each file every time it is accessed. so each read operation is also a write operation. that reduces file i/o and ssd longevity. noatime tells it not to do that

you need to find your uuid by going to disk utility and clicking on your partitions and clicking on "info"

inside the info box you'll see something called universal unique identifier

then open terminal (click COMMAND + SPACEBAR and then type terminal)

then type sudo vifs

then in fstab type
UUID=<paste your UUID here> none hfs noatime

then hit ESC and type :wq

then you can check if it worked by typing 'mount' (you can do that before you start and see if it's automatically mounted your ssd noatime)

 

[Wrench00]

what says that fstab is deprecated? copy/paste what makes you think that so I can see

anyway, atime is an attribute that is written to each file every time it is accessed. so each read operation is also a write operation. that reduces file i/o and ssd longevity. noatime tells it not to do that

you need to find your uuid by going to disk utility and clicking on your partitions and clicking on "info"

inside the info box you'll see something called universal unique identifier

then open terminal (click COMMAND + SPACEBAR and then type terminal)

then type sudo vifs

then in fstab type
UUID=<paste your UUID here> none hfs noatime

then hit ESC and type :wq

then you can check if it worked by typing 'mount' (you can do that before you start and see if it's automatically mounted your ssd noatime)

but I don't see the noatime thing.

I did further research and came accross this. link
http://blog.alutam.com/2012/04/01/optimizing-macos-x-lion-for-ssd/#noatime

 

[mope54]

you can use any way you feel comfortable doing but you might find the fstab way I taught you beneficial in the future for other things (like automatically hiding windows shares or time machine partitions on external drives)

personally, I just edited rc.local and put
mount -o noatime /dev/disk0s2 /

 

[Wrench00]

I found a great application is called Chameleon SSD Optimizer.

 

[Cat1yst]

Gestures and universal hotkeys is what makes OSX the best day to day OS for me.

Better touch tool (BTT) worked better for snap and whatever other hotkeys you wish to assign than sizeup or cinch for me personally.

 

[phaseshift]

I'm an apple AND windows fan boy I like both, I dual boot mountain lion and windows 7 on my gaming pc.

 

[spincut]

It's difficult to compare OS X to Windows 8. Currently Windows 8 has no true analog in that it supports multiple input methods and can natively run both desktop and touch first applications and multiple form factors. That's not to say that Windows 8 is superior, indeed many Windows 8 opponents have pointed out that Apple hasn't taken the hybrid approach and that OS X + iOS is superior to Windows 8. And that might very well be true. But the point is that it does take two distinct Apple OSes running on two distinct platforms to do what Windows 8 can do with one. iOS is certainly more developed and capable on the tablet front than Windows 8 and conversely Windows 8 is certainly more developed and capable in the realm of the desktop.

Currently the edge would go to Apple with a two versus one strategy as the mobile market is rapidly growing and the desktop market is contracting and this contraction is even affecting the Mac.

I think that's why I have a Apple notebook and am sticking with PC for desktop (although the notebooks use OSX and not iOS and I am not sure what to do when I get my next desktop as far as Windows 8 goes, since I am still unsure if it's really an update from Windows 7 that I want to make).

 

[heatlesssun]

I think that's why I have a Apple notebook and am sticking with PC for desktop (although the notebooks use OSX and not iOS and I am not sure what to do when I get my next desktop as far as Windows 8 goes, since I am still unsure if it's really an update from Windows 7 that I want to make).

It will be interesting to see how all of this evolves in the coming years. Maybe the hybrid strategy of Windows 8 is bad but the idea that tablets are just tablets and will forever and always be primarily consumption devices and that there's no place for touch on traditional laptops and desktops whatsoever doesn't make a lot of sense to me as far as the history of computers goes. There's certainly a bigger and bigger push for traditional productive computing tasks on tablets and it does seem natural to want a single device or platform that can do everything.

 

[Wrench00]

It will be interesting to see how all of this evolves in the coming years. Maybe the hybrid strategy of Windows 8 but the idea that tablets are just tablets and will for ever and always be primarily consumption devices and that there's no place for touch on traditional laptops and desktops whatsoever doesn't make a lot of sense to me as far as the history of computers goes. There's certainly a bigger and bigger push for traditional productive computing tasks on tablets and it does seem natural to want a single device or platform that can do everything.

I think your very wrong. My opinion. History has proven that delivery of information is the important IE Consumption. Which sometimes its whats actually needed ie status update, communications between teams etc. Problem is that the human brain sucks and gets overwhelmed with information and productivity goes down drastically when forced to digest to much content. Touch environment is fine and works with sever productivity limitations, minor modifications and changes. Once you start working with fine and granular inputs Touch falls flat on its face.

Don't believe me try this, use visio to diagram inheritance from Sharepoint users and groups while also getting information out of outlook and referencing Sharepoint Site Collections. Try this on a tablet with touch interface and then do it on a desktop through legacy means and see which one is faster to do.

Yes the amount of Workstations will decrease but never diminish to the point of irrelevance mainly because content creation is easier and faster to do in "Legacy" form.
This goes the same for Content creators and Content Consumers, some people make but most just consume.

 

[mope54]

get a magic trackpad and see if your opinion changes

I haven't used a mouse in about 7 years now (although I still use a trackball when I'm playing games on windows 8)

 

[heatlesssun]

I think your very wrong. My opinion. History has proven that delivery of information is the important IE Consumption. Which sometimes its whats actually needed ie status update, communications between teams etc. Problem is that the human brain sucks and gets overwhelmed with information and productivity goes down drastically when forced to digest to much content. Touch environment is fine and works with sever productivity limitations, minor modifications and changes. Once you start working with fine and granular inputs Touch falls flat on its face.

Don't believe me try this, use visio to diagram inheritance from Sharepoint users and groups while also getting information out of outlook and referencing Sharepoint Site Collections. Try this on a tablet with touch interface and then do it on a desktop through legacy means and see
which one is faster to do.

The point of hybrid operation from a Windows 8 perspective is that one would use whatever type of device and input that one wanted for a particular task. Even in the scenario that you're describing here, Windows 8 wouldn't be that different from Windows 7, all the applications that you mention would run just fine and work with a keyboard and mouse just fine.

And the scenario that you're describing here is far from the only productive scenario. For some reason people some people only define productivity in terms of the amount of applications that can run onscreen or that work well with keyboards and mice. What about the student that's working with science and math problems? A tablet with touch and pen will often work better than with keyboards and mice.

Yes the amount of Workstations will decrease but never diminish to the point of irrelevance mainly because content creation is easier and faster to do in "Legacy" form.
This goes the same for Content creators and Content Consumers, some people make but most just consume.

And so here is the issue. Even you expect the number of workstations to decrease but then think that there should be this "pure" version of Windows that works only well with keyboards and mice. Give more and more features for less and less money but hey, that's fine because the user base is shrinking?

 

[Wrench00]

The point of hybrid operation from a Windows 8 perspective is that one would use whatever type of device and input that one wanted for a particular task. Even in the scenario that you're describing here, Windows 8 wouldn't be that different from Windows 7, all the applications that you mention would run just fine and work with a keyboard and mouse just fine.

And the scenario that you're describing here is far from the only productive scenario. For some reason people some people only define productivity in terms of the amount of applications that can run onscreen or that work well with keyboards and mice. What about the student that's working with science and math problems? A tablet with touch and pen will often work better than with keyboards and mice.



And so here is the issue. Even you expect the number of workstations to decrease but then think that there should be this "pure" version of Windows that works only well with keyboards and mice. Give more and more features for less and less money but hey, that's fine because the user base is shrinking?

Again I am not comparing Windows 8 Legacy to Windows 7. What I am comparing is touch vs "Legacy". What the problem that most people have is that 8 Metro Interface breaks peoples workflow with out substantially adding a useful function. This is why in a lot of people situation 7 is superior. To put it simply 8 Metro is just in the fucking way of people accomplishing tasks. Unlike you I haven't met a single user that has liked 8, heck more people switched to Mac's then embraced 8.

As for the student a Pencil and some paper will work much better and much cheaper. I can use visio to create a network diagram but I find it much more productive first to create it on a white board.

Workstation will diminish compared to content consumption devices yes, but will the amount of PC really decrease from the current numbers I doubt it. Its the ratio of consumption devices vs creation devices that will get skewed. This is because for the first time in history content consumption is cheaper and easier to get then before.
My best exampe of the content consumption craze is the Xbox One. TV,TV,TV,TV, SPORTS,SPORTS, COD with a Dog.

 

[heatlesssun]

Again I am not comparing Windows 8 Legacy to Windows 7. What I am comparing is touch vs "Legacy". What the problem that most people have is that 8 Metro Interface breaks peoples workflow with out substantially adding a useful function. This is why in a lot of people situation 7 is superior. To put it simply 8 Metro is just in the fucking way of people accomplishing tasks. Unlike you I haven't met a single user that has liked 8, heck more people switched to Mac's then embraced 8.

It's not a zero sum game, it's not really about touch vs keyboard and mouse but touch AND keyboard and mouse. I understand the arguments around the new UI and some having issues with it and some of those issues are perfectly legitimate and some are a bit on the nitpicking side. At any rate, the UI is different from the last 20 years and that's mostly what's the issue is I believe. Sure 8 could be better at integrating touch and keyboards and mice and everyone is aware of that, including Microsoft.

As for the student a Pencil and some paper will work much better and much cheaper. I can use visio to create a network diagram but I find it much more productive first to create it on a white board.

A pencil and paper isn't a fully functional computer so if one needs a computer anyway that has to be taken into account when doing a cost benefit analysis of pen capable tablet/hybrid. Also digital ink has many capabilities beyond ordinary pen and paper. It can be searched and edited and emailed and backed up and converted to text, even in real
time.

Workstation will diminish compared to content consumption devices yes, but will the amount of PC really decrease from the current numbers I doubt it. Its the ratio of consumption devices vs creation devices that will get skewed. This is because for the first time in history content consumption is cheaper and easier to get then before.
My best exampe of the content consumption craze is the Xbox One. TV,TV,TV,TV, SPORTS,SPORTS, COD with a Dog.

I essentially agree with this. However Windows 8 does allow for one device to do both creation in the tradition of the PC and consumption like a tablet. Like or dislike 8 that's what it does, the argument of course comes in how well if does these things.

 

[Wrench00]

It's not a zero sum game, it's not really about touch vs keyboard and mouse but touch AND keyboard and mouse. I understand the arguments around the new UI and some having issues with it and some of those issues are perfectly legitimate and some are a bit on the nitpicking side. At any rate, the UI is different from the last 20 years and that's mostly what's the issue is I believe. Sure 8 could be better at integrating touch and keyboards and mice and everyone is aware of that, including Microsoft.




A pencil and paper isn't a fully functional computer so if one needs a computer anyway that has to be taken into account when doing a cost benefit analysis of pen capable tablet/hybrid. Also digital ink has many capabilities beyond ordinary pen and paper. It can be searched and edited and emailed and backed up and converted to text, even in real
time.



I essentially agree with this. However Windows 8 does allow for one device to do both creation in the tradition of the PC and consumption like a tablet. Like or dislike 8 that's what it does, the argument of course comes in how well if does these things.

The student comment part I just kind of giggle at. Yes I am sure at universities they allow Smart Phones and Graphing Calculators in finals, NOT. When I went to university you could have a plain calculator except none of the Math Questions actually had any numbers on them (you could spell 8008135 for amusement tho.). If your going to go this lengths how about just take a picture and OCR it.. (Kinda like the Big Bang Theory episode with Math app) So you can just do away with any kinda interaction and any human calculations, it will become a black box thing, numbers go in answers come out, how you get there is another story.. I know this is a off topic but why do you wonder why USA is so lowly rated on educational standards. If we start on this road the world will be like that ship in Wall-e.
Cost benefit, lets see, you become dumber cause you can't solve simple equations in math. it will not matter that a 20 cent pencil and 1 dollar notebook is cheaper then a $1000 tablet. I am not surprised that Fox news has so many followers that have no clue about the real world.. Idiocracy is coming.

Yes computers are good at calculations and humans are good at judgment it will not be long before bulk of Humans suck at the other at the rate we try offload responsibilities.. Heck look at the US congress.

This is a philosophical discussion at this point.

 

[heatlesssun]

Not really sure what you're getting at. Most colleges and universities require laptops and/or tablets these days and both Apple and Microsoft have deals in place with lots of educational institutions to provide computer technology. And if you can't take a computer into a test or final but can have notes it's a simple matter of printing them out if needed.

 

[Wrench00]

Not really sure what you're getting at. Most colleges and universities require laptops and/or tablets these days and both Apple and Microsoft have deals in place with lots of educational institutions to provide computer technology. And if you can't take a computer into a test or final but can have notes it's a simple matter of printing them out if needed.

Yet you can't video and voice record without permission, fuck notes and typing if I don't need to type shit at all and just watch the same thing over and over (if I have permission) I think that's easier. Most stuff is already provided in power points or Syllabi. This was around when I was in Uni almost 15 years ago. Its not some new fan dangled idea your pushing. You also under the impression that USA=Rest of the world. Sorry to burst your bubble but thank god most of the world is not USA.

Printing them out if needed well why not just write them in the first place? Screw carrying anything if I have a cell phone that can record voice and have a high enough resolution camera. Don't forget about the text books, lots of profs still have that requirement.

 

[heatlesssun]

You also under the impression that USA=Rest of the world. Sorry to burst your bubble but thank god most of the world is not USA.

I've communicated with a number of students over the years outside of the US who use pens with Tablet PCs for note taking. Not sure where you're coming up with this.

Printing them out if needed well why not just write them in the first place?

This is like saying that if one ever has the need to print out a Word document then why not just use a typewriter. Almost no one, even people outside of the US, would choose to use a typewriter over a modern word processor but for some reason, even with technically inclined people, some suggest that creating handwritten notes in total disregard of the power and flexibility of creating information digitally.

Screw carrying anything if I have a cell phone that can record voice and have a high enough resolution camera. Don't forget about the text books, lots of profs still have that requirement.

Ok, but it's hard to get much done solely with a phone.

 

[Wrench00]

I've communicated with a number of students over the years outside of the US who use pens with Tablet PCs for note taking. Not sure where you're coming up with this.



This is like saying that if one ever has the need to print out a Word document then why not just use a typewriter. Almost no one, even people outside of the US, would choose to use a typewriter over a modern word processor but for some reason, even with technically inclined people, some suggest that creating handwritten notes in total disregard of the power and flexibility of creating information digitally.



Ok, but it's hard to get much done solely with a phone.

Again you fail to miss the point. I went to Uni, downloaded notes from prof, no need to take any, usually had a video session as well, I didn't show up for 80% of the classes. I just downloaded the content from intranet. I took notes because I still had to use text books kind of hard to put a computer inside a text book. This was 15 years ago as well.


You may have a hard time on a phone I don't. Or Maybe your doing it wrong. Hell I manage network of 160+ Machines from my phone. I don't need a laptop or a tablet unless I am doing some serious troubleshooting at which I usually just connect to a remote server.

There is no real comparative advantage that I can see going from digital note taking (which on the most part is not needed since most profs have available notes on their websites) over the traditional pen and paper. I am sure your gone tell me but you can access your information any where. YES I want to access my US History notes while I am taking a shit! Your really grasping at some far fetched and niche ideas. You obviously also don't understand how humans learn (and yes I do know how humans learn since I was a teacher).

I think Google Glass will be more useful for classes then notetaking on a tablet will ever be. You should know this its about content delivery and information management, you out of all the people should know this since you claim to be a Sharepoint developer.

 

[heatlesssun]

You may have a hard time on a phone I don't. Or Maybe your doing it wrong. Hell I manage network of 160+ Machines from my phone. I don't need a laptop or a tablet unless I am doing some serious troubleshooting at which I usually just connect to a remote server.

So what about all of the scenarios you mention like the one you mentioned here:

Don't believe me try this, use visio to diagram inheritance from Sharepoint users and groups while also getting information out of outlook and referencing Sharepoint Site Collections. Try this on a tablet with touch interface and then do it on a desktop through legacy means and see which one is faster to do.

Not sure what point you're trying to make. If you can do your work from a phone then great. But I would imagine that you're not trying to do the above on a phone screen using only touch.

There is no real comparative advantage that I can see going from digital note taking (which on the most part is not needed since most profs have available notes on their websites) over the traditional pen and paper. I am sure your gone tell me but you can access your information any where. YES I want to access my US History notes while I am taking a shit! Your really grasping at some far fetched and niche ideas. You obviously also don't understand how humans learn (and yes I do know how humans learn since I was a teacher).

So the only advantage that a word processor has over a typewriter is that it allows someone to access their documents in the bathroom?

I think Google Glass will be more useful for classes then notetaking on a tablet will ever be. You should know this its about content delivery and information management, you out of all the people should know this since you claim to be a Sharepoint developer.

Digital ink is just another way interact with a device. You're taking the concept of note taking too literally. It would be difficult to whiteboard or work with scientific or mathematical notation or annotate and markup a document with Google Glass.

I use OneNote extensively and the beauty of it is that it can store any kind of information in a freeform fashion. Store text, images, video, audio, files, ink, whatever. Searchable, encrypted and automatically backed up.

 

[Wrench00]

So what about all of the scenarios you mention like the one you mentioned here:



Not sure what point you're trying to make. If you can do your work from a phone then great. But I would imagine that you're not trying to do the above on a phone screen using only touch.



So the only advantage that a word processor has over a typewriter is that it allows someone to access their documents in the bathroom?



Digital ink is just another way interact with a device. You're taking the concept of note taking too literally. It would be difficult to whiteboard or work with scientific or mathematical notation or annotate and markup a document with Google Glass.

I use OneNote extensively and the beauty of it is that it can store any kind of information in a freeform fashion. Store text, images, video, audio, files, ink, whatever. Searchable, encrypted and automatically backed up.

Why would it be so difficult to annotate with google glass, with gestures its completely possible. If you can geo location of picture I don't see the problem with doing this on a micro level. Google already has image based research in the works. Why do you discount this possibility. Its touch which you like but it goes one step further from interfacing with a 2d object with real life objects.

Yes but I guarantee you that you are in the minority and it will be quite some time before people start doing what your doing with a tablet even if ever.

As for the typerwriter comment I am not sure what you are referencing since I never mentioned type writes, I mentioned hand written notes and yes I can take them to the shiter as well ( I honestley prefer just to take a shit tho). Its unhygienic but its doable, the huge advantage is that I can throw out notes that I deem are unclean can't say the same about 500+ dollar device.

You may use onenote but then again I use CRM/Sharepoint/Salesforce/Project and I have no trouble find thing things I want any where in the world on any platform. I don't need a tablet at all. I take a lot of voice notes I use Google Keep extensively for personal stuff as well.

 

[heatlesssun]

Why would it be so difficult to annotate with google glass, with gestures its completely possible. If you can geo location of picture I don't see the problem with doing this on a micro level. Google already has image based research in the works. Why do you discount this possibility. Its touch which you like but it goes one step further from interfacing with a 2d object with real life objects.

I wasn't discounting anything. I was just saying that annotating and marking up with document with a pen is a pretty natural and easy way to do something that been around for a while.

Yes but I guarantee you that you are in the minority and it will be quite some time before people start doing what your doing with a tablet even if ever.

There's lots of things that people do with PCs around here that put them in the minority, like overclocking CPUs, building their own PCs, recording TV shows with Windows Media Center. A Windows PC can do all types of things that taken for the whole population of Windows users the minority uses.

As for the typerwriter comment I am not sure what you are referencing since I never mentioned type writes, I mentioned hand written notes and yes I can take them to the shiter as well ( I honestley prefer just to take a shit tho). Its unhygienic but its doable, the huge advantage is that I can throw out notes that I deem are unclean can't say the same about 500+ dollar device.

We digitize keyboard strokes in documents and those same capabilities are available for ink as well.

You may use onenote but then again I use CRM/Sharepoint/Salesforce/Project and I have no trouble find thing things I want any where in the world on any platform. I don't need a tablet at all. I take a lot of voice notes I use Google Keep extensively for personal stuff as well.

OneNote is a free form information gathering tool, it really has nothing to do with the other products that you mention though it can work in conjunction with them.

 

[Wrench00]

I wasn't discounting anything. I was just saying that annotating and marking up with document with a pen is a pretty natural and easy way to do something that been around for a while.



There's lots of things that people do with PCs around here that put them in the minority, like overclocking CPUs, building their own PCs, recording TV shows with Windows Media Center. A Windows PC can do all types of things that taken for the whole population of Windows users the minority uses.



We digitize keyboard strokes in documents and those same capabilities are available for ink as well.



OneNote is a free form information gathering tool, it really has nothing to do with the other products that you mention though it can work in conjunction with them.

I suppose you have your uses I have mine, but you can't of saying one way is wrong which you did. Google glass bad, Windows tablet good because I can take notes with it.

I have a Client where they can submit a picture the system uploads a picture into a document managment system it OCRs it indexes it automatically uploads it into Sharepoint and makes it available based on the user submitting it makes it available to entire organization or even the public it can be edited, annotated full indexed and searchable. Its very slick and trust me it beats the hell out of dragging any tablet/laptop around when a cell phone will do. Granted the system was expensive as shit but it works amazingly well.

FYI. Look up Laserfiche.

 

[heatlesssun]

I suppose you have your uses I have mine, but you can't of saying one way is wrong which you did. Google glass bad, Windows tablet good because I can take notes with it.

Windows tablets and OneNote and notation exist, Google Glass not so much. Tell me after a decade of use of Google Glass how good it is at notation. That's fait isn't it?

I have a Client where they can submit a picture the system uploads a picture into a document managment system it OCRs it indexes it automatically uploads it into Sharepoint and makes it available based on the user submitting it makes it available to entire organization or even the public it can be edited, annotated full indexed and searchable. Its very slick and trust me it beats the hell out of dragging any tablet/laptop around when a cell phone will do. Granted the system was expensive as shit but it works amazingly well.

FYI. Look up Laserfiche.

I actually work with systems that are similar to what you're describing here. And they aren't anything at all what OneNote is or have much to do with digital ink. I know you love to pride yourself on your amazing enterprise knowledge and think no one else here could possibly work for a large enterprise organization. I've worked for them most of my adult life. I work for a megabank, we have more than one system that does EXACTLY what you describe, I'm the lead developer on one that uses SharePoint actually.

 

[Sly]

Been using the mini for a week, and I'm still learning the shortcuts and hotkeys. So far tho, the controls layout seem haphazard. On windows, most of the controls are made in such a way that you don't have to move your hands as much. If both hands are on the keyboard, you can use two hand shortcuts to get around. If one hand is on the keyboard and one is on the mouse, you can use the mouse in combination with one had shortcuts to accomplish the same things. On the mini so far, I let go of the mouse because I need two hands on the keyboard for some of the shortcuts, and then switch back to the mouse to continue the shortcut, sometimes cycling back and forth between the two to complete a single task. I'm still googling for productivity tips, because I can't believe you actually do it like this for real work.

And I don't get the people egging others to switch to OSX because of metro. I need to open Launchpad to open applications on OSX, which takes up your entire screen as well

 

[Wrench00]

Windows tablets and OneNote and notation exist, Google Glass not so much. Tell me after a decade of use of Google Glass how good it is at notation. That's fait isn't it?



I actually work with systems that are similar to what you're describing here. And they aren't anything at all what OneNote is or have much to do with digital ink. I know you love to pride yourself on your amazing enterprise knowledge and think no one else here could possibly work for a large enterprise organization. I've worked for them most of my adult life. I work for a megabank, we have more than one system that does EXACTLY what you describe, I'm the lead developer on one that uses SharePoint actually.

Just because its not there it doesn't mean the capabilities will not evolve on google glass. Plus as I already iterated I don't take notes. You believe that note taking is important and I don't, I just rather take a picture or do an audio/video recording or both. I think that writing is inefficient and that why I don't see the point in writing things down hence the general uselessness of tablets for my workspace. In all my time I've yet to see a business or even individual really declare they can't function with out OneNote.

Yes you can lug around a tablet scribbling stuff for notes which you think is great. I think that carrying a Smart phone is quicker at doing the same task as note taking. I just take a picture and add a voice memo, and I have much greater freedom of use since a Picture and audio recording is available on virtually any platform where as OneNote is a proprietary piece of software that is vendor locked. Hence I think Google Glass has a greater future potential, I don't even like carrying my phone around.

As for the Sharepoint thing it was a stab at you, since I know YOU PRIDE your self at working AT A MEGABANK being a SHAREPOINT developer. I was point out different methods of gathering, classifying, and indexing information. Writing overall is generally inefficient and Writing is quickly becoming a lost art thus Note Taking has also a very limited future, so rant and rave all you want but you can see this in our and your educational systems. People now consume/logically analyze information rather then record its because computers are much faster and better at recording/transforming and indexing information.

You can also look at the general evolution of technology, smaller, more convenient, and out of sight. Whats easier pining/attaching something on your body that helps you gather, submit and record, and display information, or a 10 inch chunk of plastic with a plastic dowel doing that? I'm sure people taking their giant ass tablet to take pictures at public/private venues don't look like complete douche bags.

On my final point Smart Phones outsell Computer/Tablets.

We can agree to disagree.

 

[Wrench00]

Been using the mini for a week, and I'm still learning the shortcuts and hotkeys. So far tho, the controls layout seem haphazard. On windows, most of the controls are made in such a way that you don't have to move your hands as much. If both hands are on the keyboard, you can use two hand shortcuts to get around. If one hand is on the keyboard and one is on the mouse, you can use the mouse in combination with one had shortcuts to accomplish the same things. On the mini so far, I let go of the mouse because I need two hands on the keyboard for some of the shortcuts, and then switch back to the mouse to continue the shortcut, sometimes cycling back and forth between the two to complete a single task. I'm still googling for productivity tips, because I can't believe you actually do it like this for real work.

And I don't get the people egging others to switch to OSX because of metro. I need to open Launchpad to open applications on OSX, which takes up your entire screen as well

You can use finder to launch apps or cmd space for search which is as good as 7 unlike the shity 8 search, you can pin them on your launch pad as well. I like my mouse. I suffer tendonitis in both my hands and its painful to use my thumbs sometime. Just like on windows most of my shortcuts are done with my left hand, except for switching desktops. Infact I don't see a big difference between Windows and OSX. I bought a mini because I like to learn and lots more Mac are becoming the norm for users at home, no much in the enterprise market. Giant pain in the ass imho. I don't think the two oses really differ that much in usage, except OSX is much more polished and unified-Continuity. I love mission control a lot.

The main thing that makes me like OSX is that its very esthetically pleasing, to me. I just don't like the esthetics of 8, to me it looks like Duplo blocks and cheap Ikea furniture.

 

[Sly]

Then maybe you can give me a tip on the task switching? On windows I use CTRL-ALT-TAB, or ALT-TAB and click on the window I want, this works whether my hand is on the mouse or keyboard. On the mac, I use CTRL-UP, which is a two hand shortcut so I have to let go of the mouse, then the screen that comes up doesn't seem to work with the arrow keys, so I have to go back to the mouse, find my mouse cursor and click it. This may become an issue considering I usually have a dozen or so applications and instances open at once.

I'm still trying to figure out how to fix the numlock problem. As a programmer, I navigate through code a lot and having all the controls on the keypad is a big help, but on the mac, all my keypad capable keyboards have the numlock permanently on and I can't seem to turn it off. As it is, even the single button keys have been replaced with key combinations.

Also what's the equivalent of the CTRL-Insert/SHIFT-Insert? When modifying code, two hand shortcuts are faster than CTRL-C/CTRL-V since you have both hands on the keyboard.

Also, for a touch typist, the least accessible keys on the keyboard are the Window and ALT keys, which is why you don't see a lot of ALT and Win shortcuts compared to CTRL. On the mac, it seems the major keys are the Win and ALT keys.

On windows keyboards, the F keys are normally in groups of four, and in windows applications (games especially), the most common Function keys are the F1, F4, F5, F8 and F9. It's because they're at ends of each group and easily reached by touch.

It's not programmer friendly unless I can learn enough productivity tips to accommodate a heavy keyboard user.

I'm currently looking for a local store that sells thunderbolt cables so I can try dual screens.

 

[Doward]

Sly, highly recommend you use Apple's Trackpad. Four finger swipe up, ala KDE's hot corner 'zoom out'.

I freaking LOVE it.

 

[Sly]

I will if I figure out how much that is and if I can get my boss to shell out for it.

EDIT: Found it. $70. That's a weeks pay! No thanks.

 

[mope54]

Command key is the OS X equivalence to the Windows CTRL key.
You can switch between programs quickly with Command + Tab just like Windows CTRL + Tab.

Clearly there is no "Win" key in OS X. If you're using a keyboard that has a Windows key then it's probably mapped to Command. Switching programs a la CTRL + Tab would then be Win + Tab.

Although, if you're not willing to buy a trackpad and you don't have a Mac keyboard and you become frustrated with the way you're interfacing with OS X it's going to be difficult to garner sympathy from OS X users.

If you were trying to drive a philips head screw into wood but only willing to use a flat blade screwdriver, if you keep stripping the head of the screw that's not a design fault in the screw.

 

[Sly]

@mode54
A question. Does the keypad on an actual mac keyboard w/ keypad turn into cursor keys?

And what's the difference between a mac keyboard and a windows keyboard? How does it make a difference?

This is the keyboard i've been using

This is the mac keyboard

Does an original mac keyboard have a working num lock?

 

[Wrench00]

I use a MX performance mouse and clicking the thumb button displays ever window on the screen. I use ctrl+alt arrows a lot.

You do need a mac keyboard as well. I tried using a windows keyboard it didn't work so well. I use a Logitech k750.



FYI
http://support.apple.com/kb/ht1343

Seems that apple has way more shortcuts the windows or at least a uniform mapping accross applications.

As for num lock I looked it up and says that its always enabled. It doesn't bother me cause I use number pad a lot. Kinda a pain if you don't like it.