Optane as system drive?

Discussion in 'SSDs & Data Storage' started by chx, Aug 25, 2018.

  1. chx

    chx Gawd

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    I have an 512GB SATA and a 512GB NVMe drive in my laptop. Truth be told, I am not usng a terrible lot on the NVMe -- 145GB currently and I can move steamapps and wsl from c:\ to d:\ to make that 100GB and that's just two. So I could live with a 118GB system drive, yeah. Is it much faster than your run-off-the-mill NVMe drive? What I am asking, which benchmark matters most for Windows 10 OS usage? if it's Random read https://www.anandtech.com/show/12512/the-intel-optane-ssd-800p-review/5 then yes it's much faster.

    Note my laptop has only two PCIe lanes in the NVMe socket.
     
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  3. ChoGGi

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    Are you asking if buying an Optane is worth the price as a boot drive?
    Once windows is booted it'll just load needed libraries into ram, assuming you have enough ram then you likely wouldn't notice much difference (excluding boot times).
    I went from a regular ssd to an nvme (since we're going with not mentioning model numbers) and I can't say I noticed much difference, I get the feeling the same will be true for optane.
     
  4. daglesj

    daglesj [H]ardness Supreme

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    Save your money or just get a larger SATA SSD.

    How long till more folks realise that benchmarks mean nothing in the real world anymore when it comes to solid state storage?
     
  5. Brahmzy

    Brahmzy [H]ardness Supreme

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    Optane is a different story. You can totally feel the difference. Do some research.

    HOWEVER, the M2 Optane versions are gimped at the moment vs the PCIe / U2 versions. There will be less felt improvement there.
    When intel releases the non-gimped versions, that’ll change, yet you’re still at 2 lanes.
     
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  6. chx

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    That's the thing -- I know SATA vs NMVe in feeling is little (in fact I have been advocating against people wasting money on NVMe for this reason) but yes, I did my research and I thought Optane might be worth it. So you are saying I should wait a year. I can do that. No rush. The ThinkPad 25 will be here for another four years at least, that's how long it is under an NBD ADP warranty :)
     
  7. daglesj

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    Big difference between benchmarks and human ability to notice the performance improvement.

    Law of diminishing returns and diminishing wallet width.
     
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    I went from a Samsung 850 EVO SATA SSD (500GB), to a Samsung NVME 950 Pro (512GB) in a PCIE X4 adapter with heatsink, to an Intel optane 900P (480GB) within a 2 year span.

    The difference in day to day use is laughably indifferent to the benchmarked speeds. I simply can't see or feel the difference, even when loading all those small files when loading into windows with all my startup programs (steam, origin, GoG, antivirus, malware scanner, logitech, afterburner, UPS, F@H, and so forth).

    Then again I am getting old, and I can't tell the difference in fractions of a second like I used to back when I still played twitch games like the original Counter Strike and Team Fortress. So there likely is a difference, but it simply isn't worth it for a regular gamer.

    But hey, I've got a giant E-peen. So there's that in your face.
     
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  9. Brahmzy

    Brahmzy [H]ardness Supreme

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    This isn't a discussion on economics. Yes, Optane is noticeable from other solid state drives.

    Here's why:

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    That's still a benchmark, do you notice real world differences in your daily tasks (without a stopwatch)?
     
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    Chas [H]ardness Supreme

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    Queue depth 1 on a random read! Pfft. That's funny!

    Basically ALL of them are so fast YOU, the meatsack watching it, can't differentiate without the benchmark to tell you the stats.

    Now, maybe if you were looking at a much deeper queue depth, it might mean something. But that benchmark right there is ALMOST as useful as truck nuts on a girl's bicycle.
     
  12. Brahmzy

    Brahmzy [H]ardness Supreme

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    Are you freaking kidding me? This shit again? Are you dense?
    Low QD random read performance has been the holy grail for SSD since they came out. Nobody but intel has been able to make any significant progress in that metric until Optane. And yes low qd rr IS what you can feel on a daily basis. Don’t be ignorant. I’ve got 3 900ps now because my day to day experience was so noticeable now the OS drives.
    Do some research before spouting off.
    Optane for OS drives, 970 Pros for data/sequential IO drives.

    Get a clue - read reviews, read threads right here or Anandtech, be enlightened. Or, I don’t know, go buy one yourself before spouting off on something you’ve never had an ounce of experience with yourself.
     
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  13. Aluminum

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    Everything I build for direct personal use now has a 900p in it. Granted the first couple I bought had a huge discount with the star suc...citizen rebate program.

    There are a couple online games I play that load big maps/zones and holy shit am I in there way earlier than anyone else. (though they often still delay a different way if its competitive/pvp etc) There is one in particular that gives you "leader" as first one in, no mechanical advantage but definitely extra fun for a weird reason.
     
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    Yes, I do, as a software developer and as a gamer as Aluminum described above. Whether or not the additional speed or snappiness is worth the steeper price is up to you, but it is noticeably faster (unlike, imo, going from SATA 2.5" SSD to NVMe SSD). Also, if you're writing a large amount of data to the drive frequently, Optane demolishes NAND based SSDs for both performance and endurance.
     
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  15. Brahmzy

    Brahmzy [H]ardness Supreme

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    ^^ These guys get it. They’ve actually had personal experience with the products. The benches don’t lie.

    Very eager to see intel’s full x4 M.2, full ungimped controller versions that are rumored to release.

    It’ll get us by before everything goes Optane DIMMs..
     
  16. IdiotInCharge

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    Same. Don't run HEDT so PCIe isn't really that attractive, but M.2 absolutely is.

    [and U.2 has appeared to have come and gone on consumer motherboards...]
     
  17. MrGuvernment

    MrGuvernment PM Kyle for the TItle You Pick.

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    i have read very different if you already have an SSD, optane offers almost no performance increase. If your still on spinning rust it can help by about 10%.
     
  18. MickeyBailey

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    For those 3DXP bashers out there... https://blog.selectel.com/intel-optane-ssd-scientific-applications/

    Emphasis mine.
     
  19. Brahmzy

    Brahmzy [H]ardness Supreme

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    You read wrong. Check your source.
     
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    Brahmzy [H]ardness Supreme

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    The U.2 900ps come with a M.2 adapter. They work great - they’re the ones I’m using.
     
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    Right!

    Just remembered those, as I have them in a Newegg wishlist.

    Faster OS drive is down the list for me, though...

    I'm building a home lab :D