Opera: IE 'Kill' Switch Not Enough

I just thought of something funny. The final IE8 released today will probably surpass Opera's cumulative install base over the years in just a couple of days (or less). And that's without 1) being shipped in an OS (Win7 is coming out later, the beta is a very small share), 2) not being installed in automatic or forced updates or 3) whining. :p The beta of IE8 already has almost 2x the market share of Opera.
 
Dekoth said:
Then you did something wrong, opera is slower on pretty much everything I have used it on.
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Opera's UI is more responsive than an other browser. But, if you have a really fast computer, you might not be able to see the difference.

As for page layout, the Opera 10 snapshots are just as fast as Firefox. Of course, Webkit blows them both out of the water.

As for JS, Opera does have a few eye sores there, but that's because it doesn't have a next-gen JS engine like the others. Opera WAS way faster. Now it has to play catchup. But, again, you have to have a slow computer or pull out some benchmakrs to detect this.

Webkit and Gecko have speculative loading. Opera doesn't have this yet, but it does have delayed script execution that you can turn on in opera:config. It can help a lot, but is still slightly experimental.

Of course, I'm not doubting your results as your particular browsing habits might just lie in Opera's sore spots. For me though, real world performance in Opera is just as good as Firefox's except for a few case.

Opera will be the best again.
 
Shadow2531 said:
Because MS, by way of Windows, is a monopoly and it purposely uses that advantage to make competition unfair.
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Excuse me how do you find that Microsoft is a monopoly because of windows. By saying they have a monopoly that way then apple has a monopoly with osx.
 
randomdean100 said:
Excuse me how do you find that Microsoft is a monopoly because of windows. By saying they have a monopoly that way then apple has a monopoly with osx.
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MS bought this on themselves unfortunately. As much as people claim that they pay off folks, they obvisouly didn't pay off folks here. And yes, they had some funky business practices which only hurt them, like the fee per PC liceinsing agreements they had. Like a PC vendor even now is not going to Windows on the machine 90% of the time any way. Microsoft, like all companies, has its bad side.

But all of these anti-trust actions are utter BS. With all of the crap that's happening around the world in the financial sector, regulators need to be thrown the hell out of there jobs. They were protecting us from the big bad MS and while the world economy was being turned into a ponzi shceme.

I often hear MS product users called sheep. Well folks, the sheep have been led to sluagher. Only the shepards were these regulators. And the sheep were our jobs and savings. Because some busniesses who wanted protection from the big bad Microsoft couldn't compete.

Thanks guys, you saves us. :confused:
 
randomdean100 said:
Excuse me how do you find that Microsoft is a monopoly because of windows. By saying they have a monopoly that way then apple has a monopoly with osx.
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Well technically, for MS to be a monopoly because of Windows, MS would have to be the sole provider of at least consumer operating systems. If that was the case, then obviously Apple couldn't be one at the same time because of osx (unless you consider it a whole different market, but that's a stretch now. But, even if it's not a stretch, osx isn't significant enough yet to bother.).

However, MS has near-monopolistic market share in the consumer OS biz and they use that advantage to thwart browser competition by including IE (another one of their products) by default so that those that don't have a clue are never even aware that there are other browsers you can use.

MS is also using their postition and IE's market share to hold back the web by not having IE keep up with the standards and forcing sites and other browsers to sink to IE's low level of standards support. (Great props to the IE team for stepping up their game a little though)

MS is just being sneaky about it, imo. Judging from responses in this thread, that sneakiness is working. (Don't blame this on the IE team themselves though. They're great. It has to be higher up.)

Opera's coming off as a bunch of dicks, but that's because of their Norwegian way of explaining things. :)

Cheers to a better IE :)
 
I think GM should sue Toyota because Toyota only ships Toyota engine in their cars. If they offered other engine choice, like say GM, GM wouldn't be in the financial mess its in. So you see Toyota created an unfair monopoly by only allowing their engines in their cars, where as the correct thing to do would be to give the consumer the choice they deserve.
 
westrock2000 said:
I think GM should sue Toyota because Toyota only ships Toyota engine in their cars. If they offered other engine choice, like say GM, GM wouldn't be in the financial mess its in. So you see Toyota created an unfair monopoly by only allowing their engines in their cars, where as the correct thing to do would be to give the consumer the choice they deserve.
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Finally, someone gets it. :p
 
burnin8r said:
because Linux isn t a real operating system in your valuable opinion?

sorry for the thread necro =/
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Don't put words in my mouth please. I'm a Linux user as well as Windows.

I'm just saying dressing up Linux and making yet another distro doesn't make it a Google operating system. It's still a Linux operating system.
 
As of this weekend, IE8 final surpassed the Opera 9 install base. That took 2 or 3 days and MS didn't have to whine to achieve that. :p Like IE7 before it, IE8 should surpass FF in a couple of months at this rate.
 
pxc said:
As of this weekend, IE8 final surpassed the Opera 9 install base. That took 2 or 3 days and MS didn't have to whine to achieve that. :p Like IE7 before it, IE8 should surpass FF in a couple of months at this rate.
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And note this is before it got pushed via windows update, meaning that people had to actively go out and download it.
 
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