Once again AMD or Intel...???!!!!!!

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rotem_46

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Hey,
I'll try to make it short, I want to buy a brand new PC and I can't decide which way to go !!!
My main uses of the PC are surfing the net, mp3 and video ( not encoding anything ), editing pictures as a hobby (with pictureIt!, Photoshop etc.) and of course, playing games ( like Max Payne, Hitman, F.E.A.R and racing games ), now, I'm NOT a game freak and I hardley play once or twice a week but I'm using the pictures editors almost every day !
What I realy want from my PC is to be very fast while browsing my hard drive and doing other stuff at the same time ( multitasking - like editing a picture and beeing able to open 5 other folders on my HD fast at the same time while surfing the net at almost full speed...!!! ), I want it to support the latest games and thats about it.
I'm having troubles deciding eather to go with the AMD X2 4400 or one of the Intel's P4EE series !!!! I checked compatabilities with motherboards and found out that AMD do not support DDR2 while Intel do, to be more specific, I found a Gigabyte mobo for P4EE that support 4 PCI-E ( like 1GB of graphic ) with DDR2 at around 600mhz while AMD has "only" the regular SLI with DDR 400mhz....So, is it smart to buy a computer now, with AMD X2 4400 with mobo that support the old DDR 400mhz or should I go with Intel P4EE considering the fact that both AMD and Intel are going to come out with a brand new CPU's soon..??
Does going with DDR mobo will give me segnificantly less speed then the DDR2 ??
PLEASE HELP !!!! I always had Intel P4 and I wanted to try the AMDs CPUs but I don't know if it is smart to spend like $500 only on a CPU, and buying a DDR mobo because I feel it will be disadvantage...
Does DDR2 is segnificantly better then the old DDR ?!!!!
Well, it came out very long....but please, help me out here and I will also appreciate if you could recommand a mobo that will be the best for my needs...
Thanks !!!!
 
Memory bandwidth on DualCore AMD's is still higher than Intel's offerings.. so I wouldn't be to speculative about that. DDR2 is nice for somethings.. but 600mhz X 2= 1200mhz (thats nice) but you must consider that intel is still operating/ dependent on there 800mhzFSB motherboard chipset memory controller. AMD is better technology (more logical) when it comes to their memory controller (and just about everything else) - therefore you get about 1gb more bandwidth + less latency with and AMD.

Yes intel does offer the P4EE with 1066FSB, but because the FSB must travel to and fro the motherboard chipset the actually memory bandwidth is less and the the memory latency is higher, than an AMD with a 1GHz HTT(HyperTransport - direct link between CPU and Memory).

To sum it up in my opinion. There are not any substansial benifits of going DDR2(except overclocking).. and there wont be until AMD's socket M2 is released and AMD implements DDR2... It seems like Intel is patching a broken architechure.. and they need raw MHZ+power consumption to make it work.. and they still fall behind.. so if you ask me.. and most other people in this forum.. An AMD DualCore (4400+X2, or Opteron 170) would be a "better" option.

Recommended MoBo's: PCIe boards.
If you don't overclock ~~
PCIe SLI:
ASUS A8N32 SLI-Deluxe, A8N SLI-Premium

If you do overclock ~~
DFI LanParty nF4 SLI-DR <<<(I just bought this)

Non SLI Board: Overclcockers Boards:
EPoX EP-9NPA+ Ultra, DFI UT nF4 Ultra-D(Can be modded to SLI)

A few others.
 
You'd end up being the happiest with a dual core AMD system (x2 or Opteron) over the P4EE for what your going to use it for.
 
EEs are way overpriced. X2 sounds just about right for you, i dont have an X2 but sometimes i wish i did, i think you will be amazed at the benefits. Plus the AMDs run like fridges compare to the Intels. For what you describe you are doing, depending on how important gaming is to you, you could get away with the 3800+ X2 and save some serious cash over the P4EE. Your description of stuff you are doing doesnt sound like P4 would be a bad option tho, P4 enjoys very good multitasking, only thing is you can get a better experience from an X2 at a cheaper price. Its just really tough to justify a P4 right now.
 
You know, this late in the game, idk why anyone would even ask.

Go with an AMD Opteron. 146 if you want single-core, or 170 if you want dual-core.
 
I just bought an AMD x2 4400 and good god that thing takes multi-tasking to a whole new level! Everything is silky smooth and you will have absolutely no regrets with this beast. However be warned: a new socket for AMD is coming out (Socket M i think?) that will be DDR2 compatible. So if you really want to jump on that bandwagon then u'll want to wait a bit, or go the Intel route and upgrade later (more costly).

Frankly though, I just upgraded from an Intel sys (this is my first AMD sys) and I have had no regrets. I think you'll find that the AMD platform will suite all your gaming and other needs perfectly.
 
Well, you all recomended AMD so I think I'll go with the X2 but one question though...I saw that some of you are using DDR 600 (!!!) and I thought the highest speed of the DDR is 400 so, can someone explain this to me please..? and does all mobo's that support Dual DDR will support a memmory of 600mhz ?
It will be great if you could recomend a couple of mobo's that supports the 600 DDR and SLI.
Thanks a lot guys, you are the best !!!
 
rotem_46 said:
Well, you all recomended AMD so I think I'll go with the X2 but one question though...I saw that some of you are using DDR 600 (!!!) and I thought the highest speed of the DDR is 400 so, can someone explain this to me please..? and does all mobo's that support Dual DDR will support a memmory of 600mhz ?
It will be great if you could recomend a couple of mobo's that supports the 600 DDR and SLI.
Thanks a lot guys, you are the best !!!
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No motherboards support DDR600. It is unsanctioned RAM, in short. But DDR600 ensures that you can run your RAM 1:1 for speeds of up to 300MHz. AMD's standard is DDR400, because their CPU bus runs at 200MHz all the time.

Example: 3200+ runs at 2.0GHz. 200MHz multiplied by 10x CPU multiplier.
200x10=2000

But let's say you want to get that up to 3.0GHz. So you would...
300x10=3000

But if your RAM is only rated for 200MHz, it might not be able to go that fast. DDR600 can though.
 
Whats the different between the X2, the FX-57 and the Opetron CPU's ? which one will suit me the most based on my needs ( see first post in this thread )...also I'm thiking of getting the X2 4400 so I guess the FX-55 ( or 56 if its even exist ) is more relevent...
Thanks.
 
I have an FX-55. I can run some benchies for you if you want. What can I say about it. It overclocks to 3.2Ghz on water and at stock 2.6GHhz I don't get any slow downs. Temps are fine with Air cooling no OC. 34C Idle 42 Load. My room is around 70F.
 
iSkylla said:
I have an FX-55. I can run some benchies for you if you want. What can I say about it. It overclocks to 3.2Ghz on water and at stock 2.6GHhz I don't get any slow downs. Temps are fine with Air cooling no OC. 34C Idle 42 Load. My room is around 70F.
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It will be great, just tell me which benchmark you're running so I'll be able to compare it to other systems...THANKS !!!!!!!
 
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