Ogg Vorbis... stupid question

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Pinipig523

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Hey Guys,

Stupid question, but where does Ogg Vorbis stand in the realm of lossy music? I have no experience with OV and was wondering if there is a reason why it's around (i.e. a better alternative to MP3).

Thanks.
 
It's mainly around because they wanted a patent-free alternative. Most compressed formats are heavily patented and require licensing fees. OGG is totally patent free and costs no money. That's one of the reasons you see it used with increasing frequency in things like video game engines. Costs no money if you want to use it.

Also it generally offers superior sound quality to MP3 at a given bit rate, as with most newer compressed formats.
 
Average Ogg Vorbis bitrate is usually a little higher than what an MP3 can dish out at 320kbps max. When I used Ogg I remember my songs being 400-600 kbps.
 
How did you compare what MP3 "dished out" at 320kbps to Vorbis's 400-600kbps? Listening tests have shown that well-optimized Vorbis encoders achieve transparency at lower bitrates than LAME MP3 with a variety of different parameters.

Vorbis uses a stepped system. Different quality levels result in changes in a variety of different parameters, which is why you encountered higher bitrate peaks (the greater the variability of the bitrate, the higher the quality). Knocking the encoder for doing what it's designed to do is illogical, if that is what you're doing.

Technicals: Vorbis is the encoding method; OGG is the container. Together, they are Ogg Vorbis.
 
so scale of 1 to 10? 10 is the best? size per min in relation to mp3?

Also, the max quality ogg is not as good as flac, right?
 
phide said:
How did you compare what MP3 "dished out" at 320kbps to Vorbis's 400-600kbps? Listening tests have shown that well-optimized Vorbis encoders achieve transparency at lower bitrates than LAME MP3 with a variety of different parameters.

Vorbis uses a stepped system. Different quality levels result in changes in a variety of different parameters, which is why you encountered higher bitrate peaks (the greater the variability of the bitrate, the higher the quality). Knocking the encoder for doing what it's designed to do is illogical, if that is what you're doing.

Technicals: Vorbis is the encoding method; OGG is the container. Together, they are Ogg Vorbis.
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Sorry, when I said "dished out" I meant that MP3 can dish out 320 kbps max, while Vorbis can go higher. That's all.
 
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