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OCing Problems with X2 4400+

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chowchewchee

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yo,

a while ago i bought a new pc, and then a couple of weeks ago i came into some money so i bought a newER PC :) i got an X24400+ (JH-E6, apparently there are newJH-E4s out there with better mem controllers - bastards), an asus a8n-sli, an audigy 2 and 1gb of corsair xms3200 2-2-2-5 1T. Now, my problem is that whenever I try and overclock it fails, so I'm going to do a run-down of what i've tried so that hopefully one of you nice people can show me the error of my ways :)

first try:
FSB - 220
cpu multiplier 10x
Vcore - 1.425 (but everest says that the voltage is fluctuating by ~.04v!!!)
HTT - 4x
RAM @ 2.5-3-3-6, 1T 2.85v (i note that you need to get an extra ~60MHz to make up for changing from 1T to 2T

boots stably, windows SEEMS to take a little longer than usual to load, and the usual windows start up sound doesn't play. Can run CrystalMark in it's entirety, can run PCmark but as soon as i hit the memory tests (particularly 8M chunk write) it makes a high-pitched squealing sound come out my speakers, which is bad - then it freezes and requires a hard reboot.

second try:
FSB - 215
cpu multiplier 10x
Vcore - 1.45 (everest says it gets as high as 1.49!)
HTT - 3x
RAM @ 2-2-2-5, 1T, 2.85v 166MHz (resulting in 185MHz)

boots stably, seemingly faster than previous OC, windows startup sounds play. Can run crystalmark as above, as well as Prime95 torture test (one instance for each core). Everest reports CPU temps hitting 58 after half an hour. I have a gigabyte rocket, 2x120mm fans (one in, one out) and some really fruckin rare Shin-Etsu thermal compound (5c better than arctic silver 5) that i bought a year or so ago. Heat is an issue, but 58 isn't anything to freak out about - idle is 47, and I live in south australia, which is a really hot part of the earth especially being summer here (it can hit 44c around about now). However, superpi 8M gives errors and PCMark freezes in exactly the same way. PCI bus is locked at 33.3MHZ, so audigy can't be the problem, and PCIe is locked at exactly 100.0MHz.

did I just get a dud or something? please advise.

thanks!


edit: P.S. it's relatievly cool today, CPU idle temp is currently 41c. ambient temp is ~25-27c. case ambient temp is 36c. :)
 
all you did was lower the memory speed and ht link multi from attempt 1 to attempt 2. i'm gonna guess your ram isn't liking the previous settings :p
have you tried following the a64 oc guide i've got?

also, JH-E4 4400+'s don't exist.. JH-E4 (manchester) is 512mb cache per core.. while you have a 1mb cache cpu (toledo) ;)
 
sorry, i'm a big fan of copy & paste - second attempt CPU FSB was 215 :)

i've had a look at your OC guide and i've tried to follow it as closely as possibly but my attemp[ts always end up with that damned high pitch sound...


i'd love a CPU with 512mb of l2 cache :p but point taken, i just saw it somewhere and i must have assumed that it applied to all x2s
 
oops, 512kb.. i normally get that right too! :(

does the board have the latest bios? you said the pci and pci-e busses are locked, but are you certain of it?
 
bios is 1015, i'm def sure that buses are locked

p.s. i have the ram in DIMMs 3 & 4

pps i just saw the link you posted in that other thread about 4400s,

AMD64 TCaseMax - v1.14
----------------------

CPU Information (CPU #1):
Standard CPUID: Family: F, Model: 3, Stepping: 2
Extended CPUID: Family: F, Model: 23, Stepping: 2
CPUID String: 20F32
Processor APIC: 0
Processor: AMD Athlon 64 X2 4400+ (Toledo)
CPU Speed: 2211.33 (201.03 x 11.0)
Revision: JH9-E6
Platform: Socket 939
Startup VCore: 1.350v
Maximum Case Temperature = 57C
TDP: 75.0 / 46.9 Watts

does that help at all?

pppppppppppppppps:

i also noticed that one type of 4400 has 128+128kb l2 cache and one has 128kb l2 cache.. wossit meen?
 
i noticed that you relaxed the timings, but maybe your memory just can't take it?

do you have a SATA hard drive? if it's in port 1 or 2, you might want to try moving it to port 3 or 4, as those tend to be locked.
 
I thought about the ram but I have seen it (personally) run at 466 @ 2-3-3-7 1T for an extended period of time (three weeks pretty much 18/7 so i highly doubt its that...

i didnt know about the SATA 1-2-3-4 thingo, i'll give it a shot and crank her up. thanks :)

I also thought of another possible question asked of me so i'll answer it now:

Antec SmartPower 500W, solid rails all the way around...also memtest86 shows no errors at SPD so i also doubt the memory is being problematic. if it was id have to beat it like a red headed stepchild :) :eek:
 
The fastest I got my chip so far is 2.5 stable. I need to pump 1.55v into that sucker to stay stable. I am trying to get to 2.6 or 2.7 but I cannot pass Prime for more then 4 hours.

I have LDT and my chipset voltage left at stock should I try to pump more juice?
 
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